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LBH

LBH

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That's not something we could guess at. All you can do is keep trying man :) Try my way next time, someone elses way another time and eventually, you'
ll take what you like from each and make it your own.

Grow 'em up!!

Blu- 6" is perfect, 4 is not always doable. For me, 8 is the max
 
Robert Paulson

Robert Paulson

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LBH said:
Yes, trim undergrowth and you will get a slightly better swell in your upper canopy. You also get a nice traumatized plant for a few days. My point is leave the undergrowth, make it upper growth and your weight will be better than if you stripped it and just got a slightly better swell. I had a few screens, about 6,7 yrs ago, still in soil, where we ran all kinds of different types of screen apps in the basement one run. We took the best 2 and raced them on the next run. Low screen, no prune but with heavy defoliation above the screen once the stretch is done is what outweighed the others each time.

If your screen is anywhere above 8,10", then I would prune below, the stuff will never develop so no worries for you bud. Try different stuff, it's what makes a grow personal.
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My plants have never acted traumatized after trimming undergrowth, which I do and I never have any airbuds, i have great airflow, i have enough room to get in there and clean the tray and dead leaves and flush the medium, and I am also able to veg the plants longer before putting them into flower. this gives me bigger stalks for bigger buds, any wimpy stalks or nodes I know will not produce a huge nug are cut out, they'll be drowned out by the bigger ones eventually anyhow. I always get big, uniform, juicy buds that are nice and easy to trim. unless height is a serious issue I do not see any advantage to your method LBH. Every plant I have ever grown has had plenty enough bud sites without needing nearly the extent of training nor the need for all of the topping. In fact My goal for each plant is 16 buds- thats it, that gives me 63 buds in 3'6"x3'6" screen. If each bud weighs 1/4 ounce an average (easily possible in a scrog with a good strain) that gives me 1 lb per screen., not bad in my opinion, especially when each nug looks the same. there are no bad or even ok nugs, there are only great nugs that anyone would want in there bag.
 
LBH

LBH

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Well, originally, I was forced to scrog because of height limitations but became rather fond of the method as each run, I'd experiment with different thoughts from sog/lollipopping with many short vegged plants to single plant 5x5.5 screens with a long veg (I'm a tinkerer). I have more space available now but have plenty of product from this original set up now that I've had so long to manipulate and try different things and then try them again with different types (indicas/sativas). I agree with you on the trimming part. When I ran them like you do, the trim was a breeze and quite frankly, I'm not so fond of the chore like I was when I was younger. My main reason for not pruning is that this method is the one that simply gives me the best yield.I avg 3.5-5 ounces a plant off a 400 and much better over on the long screen with the 600 and a mover. Nothing crazy, but consistent and stable which is big as my life is a bit crazy right now with 4 jobs. Anyway,....Movers,...my next gadget to play with, so far, I'm extremely satisfied with how they fill the gaps. Anyone use movers with screens?
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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"Scrogging is a simple tool that allows you to gain a multitude of benefits. It CAN be done in countless ways to achieve various goals. The complexity is a choice and should be based on your knowledge of cannabis cultivation" Woodsman~
 
LBH

LBH

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woodsmantoker said:
LBH - "the whole point of a scrog is to maximize the footprint of the light and to maximize the layout of a specifically manipulated plant"

You got lost at step ONE.

If the point here was to maximize a lights foot print, this thread would be about lighting and I would simply suggest to you that you get a light mover. If the benefit to screen manipulation was to "maximize the layout" of which I am not really sure what that means, it would be about training. Thus the reason this thread is in the "Advanced" section of RIU. A bit more to it buddy...
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Glad to meet you. Perhaps if you could hold back your defensiveness a bit, you may understand that your way is not the only way. We learn from each other. I've been running screens for over 15 yrs, every configuration you could imagine. The people who hire me to set up their rooms and gropw, using my methods, are putting out the same if not more (much, some of them) than your method and techniques. Do I accuse you of "misleading"? No. Your grow is your own, but do me a favor and lay off the insults unless they are deserved, which yours, are not. I think it's safe to say I should be insulted but hurt feelings won't help anyone grow better so we won't waste much time on that.

And yes, props to Uncle Ben. My tutorials have also run for hundreds of pages so I know first hand how many people threads like this help. It's the open discussion, the brainstorming that gets people to grow better. If you continue in your one way, I'm the only one who does it right and no one can do it better attitude, I fear you will never grow as a horticulturalist. Ligthen up, geez.
 
LBH

LBH

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woodsmantoker said:
"Scrogging is a simple tool that allows you to gain a multitude of benefits. It CAN be done in countless ways to achieve various goals. The complexity is a choice and based on your knowledge of cannabis cultivation." Woodsman~
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So why out of the "countless ways" is mine the only one thats so insulting? I'm totally missing that one. I'm not here looking for a fight for crying out loud, I'm here to help people continue to think out of the box and try new things. Again,...why so offended? Wasn't my intention for what it's worth.
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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olylifter420 said:
How is that setup that the OP has in his pots?

The garden hose with the holes in it, i know it is to water, but what is the concept behind it?

Thanks
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I have spinal conditions that don't always permit bending to water. Two weeks prior to placing those hoses, I was crawling under but ran into lower disk problems and needed a quick fix...worked fine.
 
LBH

LBH

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Whoa, wait a second, time out. I need to apologize. I totally got your thread and uncle bens topping thread confused and I offer my sincerest apologies and totally understand why you just shot off. I would have to if someone gave someone else props on a thread as valuable as one like this. Again. I'm sorry about that. But I can't apologize for my methods and techniques, those I'll defend till there's no more juice to run the lights.

Again, sorry man.
 
LBH

LBH

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I'm down, just let me clear it with one of the growers in the group. I run 4 to a screen, 3 screens perpetually so a single in the screen isn't "fruitful",lol but I'm sure one of the guys or girls will clear me a space. We setting parameters? Veg time, wattage, co2, screen size....yadda yadda For single plants I like a 5x5 or 5.5 x 5.5, that work?

These things are awesome because there is no winner. So many will learn so much just from watching and participating. Badass.

Oh, what avbout strain, I work with rezdog, got some rks coming. Lots of others coming but I never know whats in there till it comes but I specifically asked for some of the rks betas so I know those are in there. That one is something special and would be happy to share one with ya.
 
LBH

LBH

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woodsmantoker said:
LBH - when you care to compare, Ill scrog a single plant for you and give you a break down in direct comparison of why my knowledge of this particular method exceeds your wisdom. Question to prove a point: How do you measure your efficiency?
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oops, sorry, missed that. I measure in weight with wattage taken into consideration. If I don't get 4 ounces per plant on a 400 I get kinda pissy. We have a girl in Wakefield that is yanking a solid 5 per plant. My best on a 400 is a hair over 5 but thats gonna change once we start playing with movers more I hope

ok, back to work, res's to change :)
 
LBH

LBH

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woodsmantoker said:
- ever get a great bud, get a bit excited about loading it into a tool and just get disgusted with having to pull cat hair out?
Kinda takes the "educated attention to detail cultivationist" feel out of it... some times we learn more reading between the lines. ;)
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Wow, you just don't let up. Nope, after an immaculate trim I, nor anyone who ever smoked my meds, have ever had any mention of a cat hair. Of course if you had asked you'd would have been informed that the cat doesn't get to see the flowering rooms. Whatever. If attitude is all you have, I'll discuss elsewhere. You seem to feel like someone is trying to steal your thunder, that ain't me bud, I could give a shit about ego nonsense, I'm 44 and can't be bothered.

I gladly accepted your challenge and offered you some world class genetics and you reply with another jab

If you'd like me off your thread, just say so, I'm not about a battling, I'm about sharing knowledge.
 
LBH

LBH

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woodsmantoker said:
You may want to reconsider who you challenge... .
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Um,...you challenged me captain ego. Honestly, how do you live with yourself? If it takes an ego and attitude like yours to reach your holy grail gpw goal, I'll settle with how I'm doing thanks. I apologized for the misunderstanding in the beginning , have been nothing but diplomatic and even accepted your challenge with an offer again, of world class genetics and you still feel the need to shove shit down my throat with random, uncalled for, childish insults strewn in between. You sir are a prick and it's a shame

Peace

Unsub'd- Sandbox is all yours bully
 
Robert Paulson

Robert Paulson

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View attachment 1652593wood, woodsman...woodsmantoker is the man.....LBH what the fuck? I tell you about his thread to help you out, i tell you woodsman is the guru, I tell you if you read up on woodsman's posts you will learn something, and what do you do? You come to what I consider my "home thread" and you insult the master of the house. ...and .70 GPW, not impressive at all, I did better than that on my first grow indoors thanks to help from woodsman. LBH you say you are the shit and have all this experience, i just see two pretty mediocre DIY right ups and thats about it. dont talk about it be about it.
 

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LBH

LBH

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View attachment 1652593wood, woodsman...woodsmantoker is the man.....LBH what the fuck? I tell you about his thread to help you out, i tell you woodsman is the guru, I tell you if you read up on woodsman's posts you will learn something, and what do you do? You come to what I consider my "home thread" and you insult the master of the house. ...and .70 GPW, not impressive at all, I did better than that on my first grow indoors thanks to help from woodsman. LBH you say you are the shit and have all this experience, i just see two pretty mediocre DIY right ups and thats about it. dont talk about it be about it.
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WHEN DID I SAY I WAS THE SHIT?? What the fuck is wrong with you people, I didn't come here to fight. I put up my two cents about scrogging and get fucking attacked,... it's like no one else is allowed to have an opinion, jesus fucking christ. I never said I waas the scrog king like mr guru her, I never said I was the shit, I never said people were dumb to follow mr gurus way, I just offered my way,....ya know.....fucking sharing. Stick a fork in me unless someone plans to hang me first,....fuck

For the record, read back, I never fucking attacked ANYONE, he came at me
 
LBH

LBH

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Beofre I leave, yes, I can do the math but evidently, you can't. Read the post you took the math from again, or better yet, go look at my pictures. I run 4 buckets per 400, not 2. That makes for 560 grams per 400. NOW work your calculator

Nice try on the cheat.

Now whether you pull more or less than that, I could give a fuck. You're ego and attitude are far too overbearing for me so if anyone wants to discuss how I do it, the links are in my signature

to the member who pointed his math out to me, I appreciate the back, owe you one, ....rep coming
 
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