Boatguy
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Really depends on the time of year, basement humidity is high in summer and dry winter. This time of year i usually have to go back and forth between bagging and hanging to slow the dry down. Week and a half on average.
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Poobzilla
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Hey guys, looking for a little insight. Read a few Scrogging tutorails and all seems like they have great information in them but unfortunately never seen anything on what size an area to use for how many plants. When going through threads I have seen people say 1 plant for scrog in anything less than a meter square but as always on this and many other forums their are differing opinions.
I have planned on scrog from beginning of grow and usnsure if I even should for the space and plants I have.
I am working with an 80x80cm tent with 3 plants(WW), I have made a basic screen that is 10x10 cells of approximately 8x8cm square. I can move strings to the side to make 8x8 cell scrogs if the spacing need to be bigger.
Is this too small a space to scrog with 3 plants and how many times should I top to try and get best canopy I can? Plants are working on their first full set of fan leaves at the third node currently.
If further information needed I can give it but not sure what more information is needed to help.
Third pic is a bit off focus but trying to show spacing of nodes.
I have planned on scrog from beginning of grow and usnsure if I even should for the space and plants I have.
I am working with an 80x80cm tent with 3 plants(WW), I have made a basic screen that is 10x10 cells of approximately 8x8cm square. I can move strings to the side to make 8x8 cell scrogs if the spacing need to be bigger.
Is this too small a space to scrog with 3 plants and how many times should I top to try and get best canopy I can? Plants are working on their first full set of fan leaves at the third node currently.
If further information needed I can give it but not sure what more information is needed to help.
Third pic is a bit off focus but trying to show spacing of nodes.
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oldskoolnewskool
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For us non metric peeps,,,you are less than 3'x3',,,IMO, done right, you might have room for 2, and an experienced grower would probably only do 1 plant. I'm a 1st timer, and had supposedly w.w. also (not store bought, so i'm not positive). I read many threads on R.I.U. and also LBH's Famous ScrOG Tutorial | Grow Weed Easy , and Nebula's Flowering Stage Defoliation Tutorial | Grow Weed Easy . I ended up with 5 plants in a 100cm x 150cm and I certainly could have used more room. Search this site for a 'vertical scrog', maybe this would allow you an alternative?? I just cut mine yesterday, and will add some pictures...
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Poobzilla
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I have looked at some of the vert grows and they certainly peaked my interest. My new light I have coming will work better for horizontal as it's a bar led fixture that should give great coverage over the tent. With the vert grows it looks like they have lights that illuminate all the way around which I will not be able to do and have not got the funds to be buying anymore equipment.
You reckon I could try and squeeze them in if I only topped the once?
I read LBH's tutorial, even have it bookmarked, but it never mentioned how many plants could be grown under a certain size of screen
oldskoolnewskool
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Topping several times will give you the 'spread', maybe run a shorter veg cycle, I ran 8 weeks veg, and you can see the pics of mine against a 30" wide
door before i cut them, pics are in a reply to your original post now that i added them....I'm sure some experienced folks will jump in and help you...
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Poobzilla
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Thanks for the reply and the pics mate,
I am hoping not to have to veg that long, I know I can't force a schedule and it will prob take around 11 weeks(giving 2 extra weeks on top of breeder time) from flip to harvest, as wanting to give my sister some for post pregnancy issues she had with firstborn and her second is due in June.
noidave111
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The fewer plants the longer veg time to fill out the space. A single plant is easier to scrog than two but it'll take longer. Three plants will be harder still. In that space I'd do a maximum of two. I think scrog works best with longer veg times. You might also consider sea of green if shorter veg time is important.
This is one plant in a 4x4 tent. 12 weeks from seed and about to go into flower.
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Poobzilla
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Thanks for reply.
I am 3 weeks in from seed germination and did not really have a time frame. Would like it to be a relatively quick veg so I can get to harvest in June/July. Breeder say 9 weeks flower but know this is usually longer so would prob be like a 10-12 week flower. This is my first grow so just wanting to give it as much time as it needs if needs be. The only real time factors I have is that I would like to give my sister some for post pregnancy and also I have my birthday in July that would be nice to have some good weed by.
I started 4 seeds incase I screwed up along the way and have 3 currently(sprouting issue after germination). I read with SoG you have many plants in an area and don't train and let them grow 12/12 from seedling. It seems that the number of plants is less than I would need for this and have my plants currently on 18/6.
As I said I am new to this and trying to learn as much as I can, guidance is gratefully appreciated and if I was scrogging I would be looking to top fairly soon as the 4th set of leaves is just coming through now, and the third set is becoming 5 finger fan leaves.
Edit: Also my tent allows me access to 3 sides if I pull away from the corner, would this make the process of scrogging 3 plants easier?
oldskoolnewskool
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access to 3 sides for a scrog would be good. like noidave111 says, you'll probably need to do a sea of green rather than a scrog... you probably better
top once and let them grow in flower for your time frame. Training for a scrog and multiple toppings add alot of time to veg,, doesnt sound you
have that much time,,, try to maximize a standard grow with a little defoliation and you should be good to go,,, no screen allows you to move
plants as needed,, maybe get your first experience under your belt, then next round go full scrog!!
Poobzilla
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Possible issue is with height though, have a 160cm high tent and the extractor and carbon filter take some of the height away due to its location as I did not want to mount vertically. Height from floor to max light height is 120cm, would that be enough?
The time frame is not that important. It would just be nice to help my sister out with some homegrown rather than some shitty street weed and fuck my birthday, it would just be nice is all. When I was doing some research at the beginning it seemed like scrog would be most appropriate with distance between light and canopy and my pot is about 20cm from floor taking height away still.
I feel like it may be taken that I'm trying to turn away from the advice being given but I am not, I'm just trying to get my head around all of it and all my research has been put into scrog after ruling out alternatives.
The scrog net I made was my third or fourth attempt at making one after previous ones did not seem to be too strong. Would be a bitch to think I did it for nothing but not the end of the world lol
XtraGood
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If you've got a large, unruly, 4x4 wide, bush of a plant with most of the branching lower down does scrogging it late in veg work out? I've been thinking about putting a laminated poster over garden fencing so branches slide along it instead of poking through, slowly lowering that on to the plant, pushing main trunk and branches to the sides as far as able, then remove the poster and weave a bit?
gr865
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Ok I'm done. My vertical Scrog is finished.
Started on Tuesday , got three plants completed. Went out of town yesterday and finished them today.
Was too busy to take a lot of pics.
With the net attached. Triple Cheese #3
Removed the net and got the big droop.
Ayahuasca Purple
This plant turned out to be the one plant I seem to get every grow, loose buds, no weight and about 1/2 of this plant will be going straight into making FECO after it is dried.
Thinking, this is just a guess, thinking maybe there will be about a pound in total.
Here is the larf, selected more than normal to go into FECO. Got about as much off the Ayahuasca Purple as off all the Triple Cheese.
Time to clean up the pots and get them ready for another grow.
Over all I am not very happy with this grow. Should not say that because anything you grow is a blessing. But I am thinking I am not going to make weight and the buds are not as tight as I expected.
Not sure what caused this, I am wondering if my lamps are too old, and not putting out the amount of light as they should. So I am going to replace them for the next grow.
Started on Tuesday , got three plants completed. Went out of town yesterday and finished them today.
Was too busy to take a lot of pics.
With the net attached. Triple Cheese #3
Removed the net and got the big droop.
Ayahuasca Purple
This plant turned out to be the one plant I seem to get every grow, loose buds, no weight and about 1/2 of this plant will be going straight into making FECO after it is dried.
Thinking, this is just a guess, thinking maybe there will be about a pound in total.
Here is the larf, selected more than normal to go into FECO. Got about as much off the Ayahuasca Purple as off all the Triple Cheese.
Time to clean up the pots and get them ready for another grow.
Over all I am not very happy with this grow. Should not say that because anything you grow is a blessing. But I am thinking I am not going to make weight and the buds are not as tight as I expected.
Not sure what caused this, I am wondering if my lamps are too old, and not putting out the amount of light as they should. So I am going to replace them for the next grow.
Boatguy
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Nothing to shake a stick at
My tangie is drying out to be what alot of the reviews said. Not so dense, but yield looks decent. Will get them on a scale before they get jarred up. Im guessing somewhere around 8 z's give or take. More than i will be able to smoke before the next run is done
Boatguy
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Even if you flip early they wont start to flower till they are mature. Plan on 4 to 8 weeks veg
noidave111
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Ok I'm done. My vertical Scrog is finished.
Started on Tuesday , got three plants completed. Went out of town yesterday and finished them today.
Was too busy to take a lot of pics.
With the net attached. Triple Cheese #3
Removed the net and got the big droop.
Ayahuasca Purple
This plant turned out to be the one plant I seem to get every grow, loose buds, no weight and about 1/2 of this plant will be going straight into making FECO after it is dried.
Thinking, this is just a guess, thinking maybe there will be about a pound in total.
Here is the larf, selected more than normal to go into FECO. Got about as much off the Ayahuasca Purple as off all the Triple Cheese.
Time to clean up the pots and get them ready for another grow.
Over all I am not very happy with this grow. Should not say that because anything you grow is a blessing. But I am thinking I am not going to make weight and the buds are not as tight as I expected.
Not sure what caused this, I am wondering if my lamps are too old, and not putting out the amount of light as they should. So I am going to replace them for the next grow.
After a couple of scrogs, you'll get a feel for all the parameters and understand how it's all connected man I know that's not a satisfactory answer for someone on their first grow.
To work out how much height you've got, start with the minimum light distance at the peak of flower. That's the top of your colas. In a scrog allow for 6-7 inch cola heights. That gives you the maximum height of the net. Factor in the height of the top of the pot. What's in between is the maximum working distance under the net. The more room under the net, the easier it is to manage.
More plants is harder because you've go at different phenos and arranging all the colas can be ticky. You will end up with plants with branches crossing over into each other.
My advice in short...don't rush it. Run the three plants (top twice, just follow LBH) until you are ready to start tucking (based on the height of the net). Then throw away the smallest plant. Scrog two plants until the space Is nearly filled...then flower.
ColoradoHighGrower
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Here's 5 under a 2.8x5.5ft:
Poobzilla
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That's a good solution. One of my ladies is kind of falling behind. Don't think her roots were quite there when I was taking the 3 of them out their seedling container. You got me thinking of SoG for my next grow if it turns out scrogging ain't for me. Just the cost of seeds, but once I've got a grow under my belt and if its enough weed then it wont matter because I wont have to buy weed anymore and the seeds will be cheaper than an ounce lol
Like seriously, cheers for the advice, it's like having first date jitters. You have all these ideas in your head and then when it comes down to sitting at a table together you cant think straight and start questioning yourself. Well that's how it is for me anyhoo, anxiety is a fucking bitch
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