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HOWDY ENDLSCYCLE, Happy to have you grace us with your presence. How are you friend?

Well, been at em. Take some time to catch up if you got it or shoot me a message and ill update ya. Take it easy.

Woodsman~

Cutting Corners: I mentioned in the beginning of this thread that what I do in particular with getting my plants to the screen is far different from most. I even had an individual argue with me about what "my method" was. I figured it was due time to share...

Simply put, I train my mother plant branches to become individual plants that can mostly fill the screen I am preparing them for. I use LST to accomplish this. I then root it before ("YES BEFORE") taking it from the mother plant. I then place the clone under the screen and spend a week if needed allowing the plant to adjust, then trigger photosynthesis, and spend the weeks of "stretch" filling the remainder of the screen.

So LBH, here you go... Now you know.

LINK TO VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNN6Ar5pYo

Sweet video Wood. I think I am gonna try that tonight. So how big is the clone when you plant it under the screen? Do you make larger ones than in the video? If so do you use a larger chunk of rockwool?

New to this site, but subd to this page.

Hopefully can post up my first attempt at a scrog setup soon, ima need some help -_-

woodsmantoker said:

Cutting Corners: I mentioned in the beginning of this thread that what I do in particular with getting my plants to the screen is far different from most. I even had an individual argue with me about what "my method" was. I figured it was due time to share...

Simply put, I train my mother plant branches to become individual plants that can mostly fill the screen I am preparing them for. I use LST to accomplish this. I then root it before ("YES BEFORE") taking it from the mother plant. I then place the clone under the screen and spend a week if needed allowing the plant to adjust, then trigger photosynthesis, and spend the weeks of "stretch" filling the remainder of the screen.

So LBH, here you go... No you know.

LINK TO VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNN6Ar5pYo

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Great video!!! I have heard of this method and even sceene video's, but never did I see the cube wrapped around to help with the rooting. It was bare with cellephane covering it until rooted.

Have you ever tried graphting???

Hey bud, haven't been around in a bit. Hope you've been feeling well and strong. I shot out to Cali for the week to see the results of some previous work, I'm kinda high on life right now. I met a gentleman who believes he knows you from Mich, we'll talk in pms

ok, so,...Very cool but a hair different than I was imagining. Maybe what I was picturing could give you some more ideas to get creative with. What I pictured when you explained it in the pm's was basically what the video showed except that I thought it went a few steps further. What I pictured was, from there, you were then lst'ing that arm DOWN to the medium and rooting it there to continue the veg stage still attached, but with it's own, independant medium. Then, when the "foster clones" (not sure if you've termed them yet,lol) get large enough, you move that mom over to flower.

I was thinking how to word my next questions properly because your input would make or break, what I thought could be a great sub-benefit of your work........I was thinking....(scary, I know),...I was thinking that if I took the 4 main arms off of a 4-6' plant and did this to all 4 arms, I could chop the main body of the mother and move the arms under the screen STILL ATTACHED. So the mom would sit off to the side, butchered of everything that ins't involved with those 4 arms and the 4 arms now fill my 4 buckets (wood already knows but I run 4 bucket rdwc systems)

The point being,if it's not painfully obvious, is that I, as a legal patient am allowed to have 12 flowering,......if this is do-able, ...legally, I only have 1 plant in there instead of 4 like previously. Trick.

I mean, I can see the obvious influence this copuld have on the industrial side of the future, energy savings, etc but I'm trying to look and see how the avg Joe (me) could apply this to his/her personal grow.

See anything that I'm missing Woodsman?

LBH said:

ok, so,...Very cool but a hair different than I was imagining. Maybe what I was picturing could give you some more ideas to get creative with. What I pictured when you explained it in the pm's was basically what the video showed except that I thought it went a few steps further. What I pictured was, from there, you were then lst'ing that arm DOWN to the medium and rooting it there to continue the veg stage still attached, but with it's own, independant medium. Then, when the "foster clones" (not sure if you've termed them yet,lol) get large enough, you move that mom over to flower.

I was thinking how to word my next questions properly because your input would make or break, what I thought could be a great sub-benefit of your work........I was thinking....(scary, I know),...I was thinking that if I took the 4 main arms off of a 4-6' plant and did this to all 4 arms, I could chop the main body of the mother and move the arms under the screen STILL ATTACHED. So the mom would sit off to the side, butchered of everything that ins't involved with those 4 arms and the 4 arms now fill my 4 buckets (wood already knows but I run 4 bucket rdwc systems)

The point being,if it's not painfully obvious, is that I, as a legal patient am allowed to have 12 flowering,......if this is do-able, ...legally, I only have 1 plant in there instead of 4 like previously. Trick.

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I think this is very interesting and am looking forward to more input on this idea. One thought that arises to me is when those 4 arms do establish their own root system would the arms keep the connection with the mother plant? Or attempt to natural "prune" themselves from it to become independent? Obviously if not it could "legally" be "one" plant and could lead someone to have multiple mothers with many cloned and LST'd branches to create a number of Scrogs from only a couple mother plants.

cedar yess the wat to go, it doesnt rot either

Robert Paulson said:

Sweet video Wood. I think I am gonna try that tonight. So how big is the clone when you plant it under the screen? Do you make larger ones than in the video? If so do you use a larger chunk of rockwool?

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Rockwool is not the only medium that works, keeping this small environment clean and light tight is key. (much like hydroponic reservoirs, and medium buckets, light is not root zone friendly.)

I do. My garden is constantly changing and the screen sizes then fluctuate accordingly. I like to get near 70 - 80% full at placement. Two 2x4' screens fit in a 4 x 4 tent and host two clones. Each being roughly 3' - 4' long and 2' wide. If using a larger tent/space, larger clones, smaller space, smaller clones... etc. I usually fill the area (aside from working room if need be) however try to keep plants in individual screens. This allows for more versatility. I can attempt to harvest two phenotypes in the same environment as to see the slight differences while still having the ability to remove one if it supersedes the other in height etc.

As you can imagine, Topping and Fimming does occur in my garden as the mothers are removed of large portions of vegetation. This is something that folks have argued with me as well. When I mention that I don't "use" the method to train for scrog, I mean just that. My mother plants get topped through training for clones...I train for Scrog with low stress methods of manipulation and bending (LST).

Yes: Topping results in multiple "replacements". Yes: Fimming results in expedited growth and a fast response that results in "bushing". Yes: most of my mother plants benefit.

NO: I do not use these methods on the plant in preparation for screening as I have explained why

That's a cool technique Wood, your mother plants must be massive just before a transplant, eh?

Hey every1, thaught this would be a good place 2 add pics of my 1st scrog to see what yous think ther bad pics i know but just so you get the idea. im nearly 2 weeks in flower. do i need to remove more undergrouth? Cheers.

She'l Smoke - If possible, switch light hoods. Use something with a foot print similar to the size of your screen. Light intensity meters will help here.

Thanks for the post, good to see contributions to the thread again.

100 Likes. How nice.

Robert Paulson said:

That's a cool technique Wood, your mother plants must be massive just before a transplant, eh?

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TIP: LARGE High Flow Undercurrent Deep Water Culture - One plant per container. LINK: http://www.plasticfishcontainers.com/plastic-containers/totes.php

Want REAL "trick", get the 264 gal chillable containers.

woodsmantoker said:

TIP: LARGE High Flow Undercurrent Deep Water Culture - One plant per container. LINK: http://www.plasticfishcontainers.com/plastic-containers/totes.php

Want REAL "trick", get the 264 gal chillable containers.

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You'll need a warehouse to run tuna lockers, they're huge. I own one and my best friend owns one , we use them to haul ice to the tuna grounds. Pretty sure there isn't a standard door or household bulkhead that you'd ever get one through. I just left a grow in Cali where they are using 55gallon plastic drums, sub set into a false floor. They are using 500gallon res', 1 per 10 barrels but they are custom (fiberglass). We never thought to use tuna lockers, they would have made great res', just split the #'s......damn Alaskans,lol

(tip- these can often be found used [if you live coastal] but the inner condition can vary greatly. My buddy got one that was just used for ice and it's like new compared to mine that was used to salt pack bait.)

Been thinking out the 4 plant mom deal and the only draw back I can see is finding room between the buckets for the mother plant (kinda tight in there) Also, the part I'm looking for input on would be at the rooting stage, are there any issues with having 1 plant drawing feed through 5 different root systems?? Could one dominate? Would they grow evenly? etc

When using fish totes, the tote can be the container and res. Recirculating through large particulate filters. Sizes vary. *See Catalog contained in the link above.

Yes growth rates can become inconsistent with varying environmental differences in each medium /container. Hydroponics less so. This is also true however, for buckets of soil but obviously can
be done with multiples under one screen...

Start the project small and run tests. Report back if ya would. Something I have tested for feasibility not practicality.

Woodsman~

View attachment 1706800Hi Guys:

This is my first scrog - 2 days into 12/12. Soil - 400 watt HPS - Strawberry Cough, Vanilla Kush and Pineapple Express.

How's it look?

YO

woodsmantoker said:

When using fish totes, the tote can be the container and res. Recirculating through large particulate filters. Sizes vary. *See Catalog contained in the link above.

Yes growth rates can become inconsistent with varying environmental differences in each medium /container. Hydroponics less so. This is also true however, for buckets of soil but obviously can
be done with multiples under one screen...

Start the project small and run tests. Report back if ya would. Something I have tested for feasibility not practicality.

Woodsman~

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I'm going to see if a buddy would be willing to let us use his place because my rooms are just too tight. Shouldn't be an issue. I need to get some soil supplies. Oh, it will be in rdwc so the mediums will all match except the moms.