Element Collective??

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Lucius Vorenus

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phxfire said:
A signed affidavit does NOT stop arrests. It protects the organization in the event of a law suit in civil court... All patients and caregivers are protected under the Medical Marijuana Act of 2010 but the organization is NOT... So by having the affidavit signed by a patient or caregiver now takes away the CIVIL aspect of the situation but leaves the criminal part still open.. they are not violating any civil ordinance but they are violating criminal statues. If that makes sense at all to you...

You will spend BY FAR more money in civil court than in criminal court...... So they are protecting themselves from patients and caregivers law suits and don't care for the criminal statues they are violating...
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I don't know about all that and don't really care. Apparently the lady who runs Elements was a lawyer so I would hope she knows whats up. Who knows.

There is risk to ALL of this unfortunately.
 
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Isisyogi

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They buy from you at $170 per ounce and resell at $270 per ounce. Street cost for top shelf is $400, in my experience.
 
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farmin

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Not too mention that bfore you get the 170 price, you have to donate a half a pound to them! They're crooks alright! She tries to "strong arm" everyone (caregivers) as well. She tried to tell a buddy of mine, what he was doing was illegal and should donate to their coop to stay within the law! LOL
 
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irieie

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Isisyogi said:
They buy from you at $170 per ounce and resell at $270 per ounce. Street cost for top shelf is $400, in my experience.
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400 for top shelf? who is selling to you i gotta get in that circle. LOL i havent paid over 300 in almost two years.
 
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vfwvn

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As a non patient caregiver my curiosity forced me to drop bye Elements recently. Got buzzed in at the door and greeted by mature lady and handed off to a dude to give me a tour. Asked to see my caregiver card and showed me around, asked "how can I benefit from Elements"?... Lady broke in and said Elements can furnish me with all the patients allowed. Under what terms I asked and received two documents outlining the program.....
Holy shit, check the rules out (attached) and scarier yet is the "New Client Questionnaire" just the thought of this extremely private information in the hands of these unknown individuals is overwhelming and could not imagine having it circulate around forever...

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irieie

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160 an ounce?!?! Are you fucking kidding me? That's only 2560 per pound fuck that shit you can get a higher price if you go to a dispensary in Cali. Who the fuck do these people think they are. They must be getting all their shit from outdoor norcal. That is the only way that growers would take that price. That probably means all the meds they have for patients is outdoor or from so
e idiot who sucks at growing indoor or is just ignorant. And if they are this ignorant about how much their indoor is worth then they are probably ignorant about growing quality.
 
PixiDustr

PixiDustr

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What i like is that they want you to give them a half a pound so you can be reimbursed at a subpar level. I noticed they didn't mention the broomstick...i'm sure that's in the fine print!
 
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UnderBelly

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Arizona is not California. If they would just take away the cloud that means all current cultivation was going to end soon, people would continue to cultivate, grow a surplus of meds, and there would be no floor to the market. I for one would donate my surplus to a non-profit group that donated to patients, and thousands of others would do the same, for the simple reason that growing your legal limit means you get a massive surplus. Yes I know some people are sick enough that they need to vape more than a gram a day or whatever, but it is exactly because of them that I think medical cannabis should be traded between patients freely. After your second or third cycle, the cost is really marginal, you've sunk the cost of your lights and stuff to the point of not caring. Why wouldn't it just be free, or nearly? The only reason is that, at some point coming up real soon, your legal grow is going to become a felony overnight. (I know about Bill's lawsuit, and after reading it, I'm even more convinced that we are going to totally lose individual cultivation sooner, not later.)
 
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Isisyogi

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farmin said:
Not too mention that bfore you get the 170 price, you have to donate a half a pound to them! They're crooks alright! She tries to "strong arm" everyone (caregivers) as well. She tried to tell a buddy of mine, what he was doing was illegal and should donate to their coop to stay within the law! LOL
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They don't do that anymore. But recently a friend said something about working for free for a period of time. I didn't understand her, she's kind of a mess, so I wasn't able to delve deeper.
 
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Isisyogi

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Of course they can rob everyone now, very little competition. Once the other dispensaries are up and running, I'm sure we'll see the industry shift quite a bit. When CO went legal, ton of places went out of business within the first year due to poor business tactics. We shall see how it goes.

Only 15 days to apply for a dispensary, was surprised to find they reduced it.
 
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Isisyogi

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UnderBelly said:
Arizona is not California. If they would just take away the cloud that means all current cultivation was going to end soon, people would continue to cultivate, grow a surplus of meds, and there would be no floor to the market. I for one would donate my surplus to a non-profit group that donated to patients, and thousands of others would do the same, for the simple reason that growing your legal limit means you get a massive surplus. Yes I know some people are sick enough that they need to vape more than a gram a day or whatever, but it is exactly because of them that I think medical cannabis should be traded between patients freely. After your second or third cycle, the cost is really marginal, you've sunk the cost of your lights and stuff to the point of not caring. Why wouldn't it just be free, or nearly? The only reason is that, at some point coming up real soon, your legal grow is going to become a felony overnight. (I know about Bill's lawsuit, and after reading it, I'm even more convinced that we are going to totally lose individual cultivation sooner, not later.)
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In AZ, patients can trade it with other patients, if they choose.
 
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Isisyogi

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irieie said:
How do I get in on that racket?
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You seem smart enough to figure that out, after all, you are only paying $300. But why would you want to since your complaint is that people are being fleeced by prices with brick and mortar stores? As an independent, you have less overhead and worries, so you have no reason to ask for more, right? Or it's ok to expect a high price when it's you getting paid?
 
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irieie

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Isisyogi said:
You seem smart enough to figure that out, after all, you are only paying $300. But why would you want to since your complaint is that people are being fleeced by prices with brick and mortar stores? As an independent, you have less overhead and worries, so you have no reason to ask for more, right? Or it's ok to expect a high price when it's you getting paid?
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if your doing it why cant i do it? products and services are worth what people pay and if you are "fleecing" patients and they are aware and willing then it is their own fault for not looking elsewhere. hows your grow going? got any pics of your "top shelf"? oh and if you want to get it from me ill give you the same price i would buy it at. just pm for details.
 
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Isisyogi

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irieie said:
if your doing it why cant i do it? products and services are worth what people pay and if you are "fleecing" patients and they are aware and willing then it is their own fault for not looking elsewhere. hows your grow going? got any pics of your "top shelf"? oh and if you want to get it from me ill give you the same price i would buy it at. just pm for details.
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I never said I was doing it. I said that was standard in my area. To date, I havent charged a penny for my product as I am still learning. I have no desire to gouge my patients, however, if we were able to sell back to the dispensaries at reasonable rates, I would absolutely seek to make a profit that way. I'd rather supply my terminal patients with free product and make money from the dispensaries. At the current Elements rate, there is little profit in doing so. I'll wait until there are many dispensaries open and then see who has the most competitive offering. Since most places will be seeking inventory, I believe the highest prices will be within the first months of dispensaries opening. Just speculation on my part.

"if you're doing it why cant i do it?" I am giving my product away for free to my terminal patients, are you going to do that because I do it? Not likely as it doesnt benefit you. Although it greatly benefits the patients whom you have previously claimed to want to protect from outrageous prices. But you are willing to follow a crowd mentality when you feel it profits you. And thus, become a part of the problem you complain about. Just pointing at the loophole in your previous statement. And that logic is rampant in our American society, if you can't beat them, join them.

I prefer to blaze my own trail.
 
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