Dynagro is under-rated as fuck

tibberous said:

Know what? Dynagro is fucking AWESOME. Not 'good for the price', or a 'good value', it's fucking awesome, and isn't any worse than anything that costs any more.

I'd put Dynagro against anything - not in a side-by-side done by AN, or by some guy who can't even adjust the PH, but in the hands of someone who actually knows how to grow.

Just sucks AN and GH make all the money (not that DG doesn't, but they are better about it)

To be fair, I'm basing this off my buddies feeding system, which also includes stuff like SuperThrive, Cannazyme, Hydrozyme, ect. No other base nutes or bloom boosters though.

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I always use it with no problems. Maybe I'll use Grow 2-3 weeks into flower for nitrogen. I also use Dyna-Gro foliar-pro spray + some surfactants like Method Go Naked Liquid Soap or something w/yucca extract like Earth Juice Assist or just Dawn original soap. Nothing fancy, mostly also prevention with a bit of Azamax or Neem or rosemary oil + soap too. As for AN and some other nute companies they are almost "religious" about their promotions and should just say on their labels:

hey all.. first time farmer here and my head is spinning after reading the past 52 pages.

i am using cocotek/perlite/hempy buckets and would like to keep it simple.

which dyna-gro product(s) should I pick up? is there one that can be used the entire season? or do i need multiple products?

thank you!

FatNakedGuy said:

hey all.. first time farmer here and my head is spinning after reading the past 52 pages.

i am using cocotek/perlite/hempy buckets and would like to keep it simple.

which dyna-gro product(s) should I pick up? is there one that can be used the entire season? or do i need multiple products?

thank you!

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Grow, ProTekt and a CalMag product will get you started. I prefer the Grow over foliage pro and all pro formulas for its higher micro nutrient content but am actually using All Pro right now and its working just fine. You could use grow all the way through flower and it will work but if you prefer you can also pick up their bloom formula which has identical micro nutrient levels as grow and you can add that as a P booster without throwing off the micro ratios.

so yea 4 products start to finish. 3 if your really on a budget.

mrecio87 said:

Grow, ProTekt and a CalMag product will get you started. I prefer the Grow over foliage pro and all pro formulas for its higher micro nutrient content but am actually using All Pro right now and its working just fine. You could use grow all the way through flower and it will work but if you prefer you can also pick up their bloom formula which has identical micro nutrient levels as grow and you can add that as a P booster without throwing off the micro ratios.

so yea 4 products start to finish. 3 if your really on a budget.

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You don't need to add additional cal/mag and the protekt product is beneficial but also not 'needed'. Personally I like Protekt's double use of evening out my pH while also strengthening my plants.

I am going to help you out more than you ever know with my answer. Im not trying to be funny, it may sound like it but trust me, you posted your question in the wrong thread, go down to the AN thread and ask what AN products you should buy for a hempy, that should get you atleast 20 Dynagro users saying AN is the devil and they will then openly give you their feed routines. Like I said, trust me and you will have an answer shortly. You want a nice, simple routine for a hempy get some GH micro & bloom, small bottle of cal/mag and run lucas, even with its crazy out of wack npk and low cost, you will yield great and shouldnt have any issues. On top of that, should a problem arise you will have absolutely no problem getting people to help you. I ran it when I first started using hempys and it is easy and yields great. Just think, if its this hard to get an answer from the dynagro guys about what to use, what are you going to do if you have a problem you cant figure out and need help? Just sayin

I ran GH before dyna, not even a comparison in ease, growth or cost.
IMO dyna kills GH.

HB and UB ar far more experienced than I am but Im glad I read this thread and followed their recommendations.

homebrewer said:

You don't need to add additional cal/mag and the protekt product is beneficial but also not 'needed'. Personally I like Protekt's double use of evening out my pH while also strengthening my plants.

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Sure you could grow a plant with dyna-gro's Grow and nothing else and I have done this before, but Protekt Helps the plants against stress and helps stabilize PH both things I would want as a first time grower so i recommended that and it would prevent him from needing to buy PH UP. He mentions using coco\perlite and I have found calmag is needed for coco even with Dynagro especially in veg. I find I need to feed at too high a ppm to not see any deficiencies without calmag. I am running with hydroton as well which doesn't need any calmag supplement at all. I just use Protekt and AllPro in that one.

So if you can afford it your best experience will be wil Grow and Protekt together and if using Coco I do recommend using extra calmag of some kind

Now im curious as well, iv heard people say foliage pro+protekt is all u need start to finish, iv heard grow+protect start to finish, bloom+protekt start to finish, surely they cant all be used independently start to finish can they?

Yes you could grow start to finish with all three because all three contain all 16 macro and micro nutrients needed. Between the three you listed foliage pro has the lowest level of micro nutrients but they are all still there, because of this though I do recommend either grow or bloom as each contain the same levels of micros only their NPK ratio is different. If I had to choose ONE between grow and bloom I would choose grow as I prefer its N to P ratio over bloom.

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Sure you could grow a plant with dyna-gro's Grow and nothing else and I have done this before, but Protekt Helps the plants against stress and helps stabilize PH both things I would want as a first time grower so i recommended that and it would prevent him from needing to buy PH UP. He mentions using coco\perlite and I have found calmag is needed for coco even with Dynagro especially in veg. I find I need to feed at too high a ppm to not see any deficiencies without calmag. I am running with hydroton as well which doesn't need any calmag supplement at all. I just use Protekt and AllPro in that one.

So if you can afford it your best experience will be wil Grow and Protekt together and if using Coco I do recommend using extra calmag of some kind

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To each his own as I'm certainly not going to tell you to stop using something that you think you need to grow the healthiest plants. I've used DG in coco and IME, Cal/mag is recommended WAY too much and in many cases where it's just not needed. Growers often times misdiagnose an issue and quickly jump to the 'it's the pH' or 'I need calmag' solution when there is probably something basic like watering technique that is the cause of a leaf issue.

If grow+ protekt will do just fine start to finish why are you using 4 bottles? Iv read it a hundred times that 1 bottle will do start to finish but it seems nobody uses just 1 & everyone is using 2,3,4 or 5. Why is that ?

Jbone77 said:

I am going to help you out more than you ever know with my answer. Im not trying to be funny, it may sound like it but trust me, you posted your question in the wrong thread, go down to the AN thread and ask what AN products you should buy for a hempy, that should get you atleast 20 Dynagro users saying AN is the devil and they will then openly give you their feed routines. Like I said, trust me and you will have an answer shortly. You want a nice, simple routine for a hempy get some GH micro & bloom, small bottle of cal/mag and run lucas, even with its crazy out of wack npk and low cost, you will yield great and shouldnt have any issues. On top of that, should a problem arise you will have absolutely no problem getting people to help you. I ran it when I first started using hempys and it is easy and yields great. Just think, if its this hard to get an answer from the dynagro guys about what to use, what are you going to do if you have a problem you cant figure out and need help? Just sayin

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This post just made me realize that you sir are just another sock puppet, What WAS your past screen name??? PAT or SIR Ganja??? Same old AN rep talkin the same old shit.

homebrewer said:

To each his own as I'm certainly not going to tell you to stop using something that you think you need to grow the healthiest plants. I've used DG in coco and IME, Cal/mag is recommended WAY too much and in many cases where it's just not needed. Growers often times misdiagnose an issue and quickly jump to the 'it's the pH' or 'I need calmag' solution when there is probably something basic like watering technique that is the cause of a leaf issue.

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I actually agree with you on calmag being recommended as a fix all for everything when it is not. I did not include that I use RO water which is the main reason I need calmag for coco grows.

I tried using just dynagro and protekt in coco but found I would get rust spots randomly over my moms in coco and when i bumped up the ppms the rust spots went away but my tips burned. When i backed off the ppms and introduced calmag at 1-2 ml per gallons the rust spots went away. I have even tried removing calmag from my mix at times and see rust spots return within days. I believe this to be due to RO water removing all trace cal and mag from the TAP. If i used tap water cal mag wouldn't be needed at all.

I have seem many people recommend calmag at 1-2 tsp per gallon which is absolute overkill in my book. 2ml per gallons puts me about 100-120 ppm my normal TAP is about 200-220 so i am really only trying to supplement what i took away in the first place.

This post has been up all day and hes had 1 guy help him. Read what I said, if he goes to the AN thread and asks about sensi bloom and big bud, he will get atleast 4 Dynagro users giving him their feed schedule within an hr, i didnt tell him to buy AN. I am also curious because iv heard people say grow start to finish, bloom start to finish, foliage pro start to finish, why dont you guys get off your high fuckin horses and tell the guy what he wants to know?

jbone77 said:

this post has been up all day and hes had 1 guy help him. Read what i said, if he goes to the an thread and asks about sensi bloom and big bud, he will get atleast 4 dynagro users giving him their feed schedule within an hr, i didnt tell him to buy an. I am also curious because iv heard people say grow start to finish, bloom start to finish, foliage pro start to finish, why dont you guys get off your high fuckin horses and tell the guy what he wants to know?

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why don"t you quit hiding sock puppet?

Jbone77 said:

This post has been up all day and hes had 1 guy help him. Read what I said, if he goes to the AN thread and asks about sensi bloom and big bud, he will get atleast 4 Dynagro users giving him their feed schedule within an hr, i didnt tell him to buy AN. I am also curious because iv heard people say grow start to finish, bloom start to finish, foliage pro start to finish, why dont you guys get off your high fuckin horses and tell the guy what he wants to know?

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I guess using AN for so long you are unable to understand a 1 part nutrient system which is expected since the AN full line is what? 10 bottle? The ease of adding 1 bottle and mixing to a target PPM\EC only needs further explanation?

mrecio87 said:

I guess using AN for so long you are unable to understand a 1 part nutrient system which is expected since the AN full line is what? 10 bottle? The ease of adding 1 bottle and mixing to a target PPM\EC only needs further explanation?

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It's probably confusing that any of the DG product with a good dose of N will work perfectly when used from start to finish. It's not a guarantee as it still needs to be used correctly but as you stated, just hit your target EC and you're done.

Seriously? Yes, I am confused, I am asking a serious question. No, I dont understand a 1 part nutrient when you said you use 4 bottles. Am I out of line for asking why you use 4 when you say 1 is fine? Am I out of line for also asking for other peoples DG feeding routine? I know how DG says to use it im curious what users experiences are. What are the pros and cons of running just grow start to finish vs bloom start to finish vs foliage pro start to finish vs using them all? All reasonable forum questions, I didnt attack DG, I didnt attack any users, I am curious because I dont know. Why is that so hard to understand?

Jbone77 said:

Seriously? Yes, I am confused, I am asking a serious question. No, I dont understand a 1 part nutrient when you said you use 4 bottles. Am I out of line for asking why you use 4 when you say 1 is fine? Am I out of line for also asking for other peoples DG feeding routine? I know how DG says to use it im curious what users experiences are. What are the pros and cons of running just grow start to finish vs bloom start to finish vs foliage pro start to finish vs using them all? All reasonable forum questions, I didnt attack DG, I didnt attack any users, I am curious because I dont know. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Why do you have to change screen names to ask the same questions? PATlpp

I would like to share few fact about nutrients .I made few search and made a compilation of data. I have come to conclusion that most of them are completely unbalanced in term of npk and its why u can get very different result with the same growing process.in resume MOST OF THE NUTRIENTS COMPANY DONT GIVE YOU A COMPLETE AND EFFECTIVE FORMULA FOR MJ GROWING.
most of them use too much potassium that built salts. potassium cant be stocked by MJ as the phosphorus can for example, and this salts have negative effect on crops.
90% of them use high potassium-low phosphorus regimen in bloom. Few of them dont even supply complete micro nutrients in their base nutrients. for my search i took the 3 big name on the market and i compared with DYNAGRO.
before i give numbers and you do your own comparison, you need to understand that company etiquette their product NPK as % and not as absolute value. Only N are an absolute value. the reason for that its because the P and K are coupled with salt so their real value change when the molecule is break. for example, a 10-10-10 nutrients contain 10 N molecule - 10 P2O molecule and 10 K2O molecule. but in reality the absolute amount of each element is 10N - (0.44*10)P - (0.83*10) = 10-4.4-8.3. for more info look this page (in French)http://www.cannabis.info/FR/Bibliotheque/3623-calcul-des-nutriments/

Now the question is …. Which ratio do we need to supply enough nutes to our babies?
NPK ratio

*Marihuana Grower’s Insider’s Guide de Mel Frank, 1993, Red Eye Press

Marihuana Grower’s Handbook de Ed Rosenthal, 1984, Quick American Archives





You noticed both are great grower and didn’t used the same ratio but did great. Three fact are obv : a high N supply with low P in growth, low N in flower phase,K tend to be constant overall in the entire life of the plant. but the flowers phase is quite confusing. High P low K regimen vs low P High K bloom regimen. So I coupled the number to be in the mid range of both nutrients and come to these numbers:

ABSOLUTE VALUE(BASED ON PPM RATIO)
Cutting: 2 - 1 – 2
Growth:3-1-2
Bloom:1-2-2
Look balanced aight?


Now look the % value(after few basic math operation)
Cutting:2-2.25-2.5
Growth:3-2-2
Bloom:1-4-2

From these number I supposed I was in the middle range of every nutrients and it appear to me to be the perfect NPK ratio for MJ.
NOW THE FUN PART.

Look the the number of these 2 part nutrients used by most of MJ grower: (in % value as the company etiquette their product)




GHE
GRO 7-4-10 poor in N, too high in K
FLO 4-8-7 poor in phosphorus

CANNA
START 2-1-2 - poor phosphorus but ok overall
VEGA 5-3-8 - poor in N,too high in K
FLORES 4-4-11 - WTF 1:3 PK ratio!!!!!!!! poor in P, high in K


ADVANCED NUTRIENTS

GRO 5-2-5 6-2-6 - poor in P, overall ok
BLOOM 5-5-10 5-5-9 - '' '' low in P,high in K
BLOOM CONNY 5-4-10 - '' '' low In P, high in K

DYNAGRO
GROW 7-9-5 - Too much P but overall ok
BLOOM 3-12-6 - PERFECT BLOOM NUTRIENTS
FOLIAGE 9-3-6 - EXCELLENT N BOOSTER(GROWTH BOOSTER)
ALL purpose 7-7-7 - EXCELLENT FOR CUTTING AND EARLY GROWTH
Higrow 10-5-5 - EXCELLENT GROWTH NUTRIENTS
MAGPRO 2-15-4 - EXCELLENT P BOOSTER(BLOOM BOOSTER)
K-L-N - EXCELLENT MEDIUM SOLUTION FOR CUTTING
PROTEK - EXCELLENT K BOOSTER(VIGOR BOOSTER)



sorry for my bad English