Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

SamsonsRiddle

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I've been messing with elevated levels of potassium to see if it does anything beneficial. Mostly I've been chucking pollen and going through beans I've made. Here is my latest: Bodhi's Silver Mountain x Casey Jones:

Elevated potassium, eh? I was watching a couple members on here fighting over elevating sulfur and how it does or doesn't raise potency. I'm pretty sure you had tried this one time and then had your water tested; and you found that the elevated sulfur was still in the nutrient solution once you had it tested.

You take some of the best pictures i see around the forums. I assume you aren't hurting for money, but i'm sure people would pay whatever for some "homebrewer genetics" ;) Nice plant
 

homebrewer

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Elevated potassium, eh? I was watching a couple members on here fighting over elevating sulfur and how it does or doesn't raise potency. I'm pretty sure you had tried this one time and then had your water tested; and you found that the elevated sulfur was still in the nutrient solution once you had it tested.
I messed with sulfur additions some years ago and in my experience it does nothing for potency.

You take some of the best pictures i see around the forums. I assume you aren't hurting for money, but i'm sure people would pay whatever for some "homebrewer genetics" ;) Nice plant
Thanks for the kind words!
 

questiondj42

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Elevated potassium, eh? I was watching a couple members on here fighting over elevating sulfur and how it does or doesn't raise potency. I'm pretty sure you had tried this one time and then had your water tested; and you found that the elevated sulfur was still in the nutrient solution once you had it tested.
Wasn't the crux of the "debate" about whether or not it increased aroma and improved taste? Or did I misread?
 

homebrewer

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Wasn't the crux of the "debate" about whether or not it increased aroma and improved taste? Or did I misread?
I don't know the debate you're speaking of but in my experience i'd say it did help the aroma. Not sure about flavor but those seem linked to some extent.
 

questiondj42

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I don't know the debate you're speaking of but in my experience i'd say it did help the aroma. Not sure about flavor but those seem linked to some extent.
From what I gathered form the thread, there was debate on whether it helped flavor. It revolved around known beneficial effects of sulfur in food crops. What sparked it was a question of which Jack's mix had the most sulfur.

Smells make for flavor. But I can't imagine that the smoke from the combusted material could smell/taste anything like the uncombusted material. It seems like improving combusted taste would be subjective.
 

homebrewer

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From what I gathered form the thread, there was debate on whether it helped flavor. It revolved around known beneficial effects of sulfur in food crops. What sparked it was a question of which Jack's mix had the most sulfur.

Smells make for flavor. But I can't imagine that the smoke from the combusted material could smell/taste anything like the uncombusted material. It seems like improving combusted taste would be subjective.
I vape 90% of the time so maybe my experiences are different than those who smoke?

What I think is important, and SamsonsRiddle kind of touched on it, is the fact that just because we feed more of a particular element doesn't mean the plants actually use it. Nitrogen seems to be an element that is subject to luxury consumption, silica may be another, but I think the takeaway is that elemental balance is key. I think a good balance of the 16 essential elements along with an organic-ish type additive will give simply stellar results.
 

questiondj42

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But maybe
I vape 90% of the time so maybe my experiences are different than those who smoke?

What I think is important, and SamsonsRiddle kind of touched on it, is the fact that just because we feed more of a particular element doesn't mean the plants actually use it. Nitrogen seems to be an element that is subject to luxury consumption, silica may be another, but I think the takeaway is that elemental balance is key. I think a good balance of the 16 essential elements along with an organic-ish type additive will give simply stellar results.
Ah! That's a very good point. I can see how that would make it easier to observe any differences in flavor.
 

SamsonsRiddle

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Wasn't the crux of the "debate" about whether or not it increased aroma and improved taste? Or did I misread?
I've actually seen several different threads where potency was said to be increased based on increased levels of sulfur (beyond what we have in our beloved dyna gro products via epsom salts and other sulfates). The claim was an increased production of trichs and higher THC levels. Something was mentioned how sulfur feeds potency and minerals feed terpenes, i believe.

I also read the part you were talking about where sulfurs were mentioned as they change the flavor profile of peppers, etc. in vegetable gardens and therefore it was also linked to a better terpene profile for cannabis by some others.
 

questiondj42

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I've actually seen several different threads where potency was said to be increased based on increased levels of sulfur (beyond what we have in our beloved dyna gro products via epsom salts and other sulfates). The claim was an increased production of trichs and higher THC levels. Something was mentioned how sulfur feeds potency and minerals feed terpenes, i believe.

I also read the part you were talking about where sulfurs were mentioned as they change the flavor profile of peppers, etc. in vegetable gardens and therefore it was also linked to a better terpene profile for cannabis by some others.
If data shows that sulfur influences flavor profiles in peppers, and esters and terpenes make flavor and aroma, it would be a reasonable assumption that the same is true for cannabis. Anecdotally, I started using MagPro in the flower tent, and things became noticeably stinkier.
 

homebrewer

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https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=silicon+trichome+production&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,44&as_vis=1

Looks like there are some studies that link silicon with trichome production in cucumbers.
My theory which could possibly be backed up my macro shots is that these 'resin additives' only grow taller trics and not necessarily more trics. Correct me if I'm wrong but for a flower to be more potent the trichome field would have to be more dense with trichome heads.
 

SamsonsRiddle

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My theory which could possibly be backed up my macro shots is that these 'resin additives' only grow taller trics and not necessarily more trics. Correct me if I'm wrong but for a flower to be more potent the trichome field would have to be more dense with trichome heads.
My only question with the idea of more potency directly related to amount of trichomes would be; does more trichomes automatically make more thc, or could a more potent or concentrated amount of thc be produced in the same amount of trichomes?

And then again, potent as in what standard - higher thc, cbd, or one of the many other chemicals produced within the trichomes?
 

posterart

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HB and Samson , What`z up ! Samson to your question about THC potency and trichrome count / size . I believe more trichromes increase potency ... but my question is , Are there strains that just have a higher THC potency ( say Raskal`s WiFi # 3 26% ) over a low grade MJ ?

I believe you could have rock candy low grade nugs and the potency is not high ( looks great , pretendica ) ... and have a less frosty nug but the THC potency ( 26 % ) was greater on a less trichome snow packed field . If you had the same exact strain and one just got less light / love in the grow . I would say the # of trichrome`s would definitely correlate to greater potency . PA
 
Good day HomeBrewer!
I just read this on a hydro setup.
Have you heard about this and have you done any trials to support his claims?

"Depending on the nutrient, working with a pH between 5.5–6.5 works fine. If you want to be more specific 6.0–6.3 for veg, and 5.7–5.9 for flower. It’s in these pH ranges that the minerals most needed for the respective plant cycles are most available. With regards to EC, I generally recommend 50–75% of a nutrient manufacturers directed dosage for best results. Remember that lower EC can result in a higher intake of water into a plant’s tissue, which in turn speeds plant metabolism and increases nutrient transport."

Thank you in advance

MM
 

posterart

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MM , Good post . I always thought it was vice versa 5.6 - 5.9 in Veg and 5.9 - 6.3 in Flower . In flower , that it`s normal for the PH to gradually rise from 5.9 to 6.3 PH PA
 

homebrewer

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Good day HomeBrewer!
I just read this on a hydro setup.
Have you heard about this and have you done any trials to support his claims?

"Depending on the nutrient, working with a pH between 5.5–6.5 works fine. If you want to be more specific 6.0–6.3 for veg, and 5.7–5.9 for flower. It’s in these pH ranges that the minerals most needed for the respective plant cycles are most available. With regards to EC, I generally recommend 50–75% of a nutrient manufacturers directed dosage for best results. Remember that lower EC can result in a higher intake of water into a plant’s tissue, which in turn speeds plant metabolism and increases nutrient transport."

Thank you in advance

MM
I shoot for a pH of around 6.0 in veg and 5.9 in flower. DynaGro's pH stays pretty steady for me but even then it might move +/- .1 over several days so targeting an exact pH number is not worth the effort. If you're in the 5.7 - 6.0 range then I'd just leave the pH where it is.

In general, I like a lower EC. Less really is more when it comes to keeping plants healthy and happy.
 
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