Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

viridi said:

When you flower how much do the serious seeds AK-47 stretch?

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AK47 doubles in height in hydro and probably only increases in height by 50% in promix. Height is not as important as branching when in comes to static, overhead lighting.

Have you ever had a serious seeds AK-47 more than double? How close to the light do you think is safe under 1000w in cool tube? Thank you for your responses.

viridi said:

Have you ever had a serious seeds AK-47 more than double? How close to the light do you think is safe under 1000w in cool tube? Thank you for your responses.

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It all depends on your pheno selection. All the beans will yield something very similar across the board but generally, AK isn't going to stretch like a kali mist or a strain with hybrid vigor.

1000w light should probably be 2 feed away from your plants. Depends on how good your reflector is though.

I read where you flip at or before 15", how tall do your AK47 get when done?

viridi said:

I read where you flip at or before 15", how tall do your AK47 get when done?

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You're not dealing with a 100% sativa here so I would not be so concerned about height. Just assume they'll double in height in hydro.

To answer your question, they end up around one meter tall.

|B3RNY| said:

I have recently been using Dyna-Gro & I have fallen completely in love with everything they have, that I've tried (Grow, Bloom, Mag-Pro + Pro-Tekt.) If you were going to buy bulk nutrients then I think you could get by with a gallon(s) of Grow & a smaller supply of Bloom; like 1/2 gallon(s), etc. Like HB said, the only problem at all with DG nutrients is that the Bloom does not contain enough Nitrogen to keep a plant green/healthy throughout flowering... but then again- neither does anybody else's bloom/flower formulas IMO. Almost any brand of nutrient will work, assuming the pH is 'correct' and the NPK is at desirable levels relative to each other. DG is awesome; almost idiot proof, just add a bit of the Grow into flowering solutions. I favor DG, no question, over any Advanced nutrients product anymore (though I've encountered great results with their "Jungle Juice" formula (and it's a copy of GH's 3 part nutrient, so I assume that GH would also produce acceptable results.))
HomeBrewer- I use tapwater myself but I was just curious, have you/do you know if anyone has experienced calcium deficiency problems with Dyna Gro stuff?

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i have. i started reusing the magpro and problem normally goes away.

I haven't had any issues; I was just curious as to why most companies make a 'calmag' type product but DynaGro's product is mostly Magnesium with a tiny bit of NPK. I've been using Magpro, mostly as a make-shift additive..

biggest reason is their main products lack calcium... DyanGro arent lacking. Remember DynaGro has been around a LONG time and is not a "mj specific marketed nutrient source" otherwise DG products would be 2-3x more expensive

I see what you're saying. I loved every nutrient I tried until I used some DynaGro; now I don't buy anything else. Lol.

HB

Just curious.. I'm using AN GMB Ph Perfect right now in an ebb and gro. I was using all the AN line and realized it was a waste of money. So I went with the GMB Ph Perfect because of the ease of not having to adjust the PH. I've been growing AK47 and have been doing pretty good. But I realized I'm not getting the benefit of the Ph Perfect anyway because if I used the recommended ratio to get down to the 5.6 ph it supposed to my ppm's would be about 1400... I think it's to hot. If I was to use DG on my next grow what exactly should I use in veg and then do you switch to bloom when you change your light cycle to 12/12? As a new grower I fell for all the hype but then came to realize I didn't need all that crap. So I simplified my grow as much as possible and have been doing a lot better and saved some cash along the way. So the thought of using one product interests me. I use city water which is at apprx 130ppm. Also my medium is hydroton but next grow will be switching to all grodan cubes. I'm going to keep reading through the thread as I'm sure the info I asked is on here somewhere. But it is a 116 pages.. Thanks in advance

Found it on page 63..

• 3-4mls of grow and maybe 4mls of protekt per gallon. Buy a pH pen, a TDS meter, and add protekt first.​
  
  
  
  

akpaco said:

HB

Just curious.. I'm using AN GMB Ph Perfect right now in an ebb and gro. I was using all the AN line and realized it was a waste of money. So I went with the GMB Ph Perfect because of the ease of not having to adjust the PH. I've been growing AK47 and have been doing pretty good. But I realized I'm not getting the benefit of the Ph Perfect anyway because if I used the recommended ratio to get down to the 5.6 ph it supposed to my ppm's would be about 1400... I think it's to hot. If I was to use DG on my next grow what exactly should I use in veg and then do you switch to bloom when you change your light cycle to 12/12? As a new grower I fell for all the hype but then came to realize I didn't need all that crap. So I simplified my grow as much as possible and have been doing a lot better and saved some cash along the way. So the thought of using one product interests me. I use city water which is at apprx 130ppm. Also my medium is hydroton but next grow will be switching to all grodan cubes. I'm going to keep reading through the thread as I'm sure the info I asked is on here somewhere. But it is a 116 pages.. Thanks in advance

Found it on page 63..

• 3-4mls of grow and maybe 4mls of protekt per gallon. Buy a pH pen, a TDS meter, and add protekt first.​
  
  

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That quote from page 63 is a pretty good place to start for veg. Moving into flower, I bump the EC just over 1.0-1.1 and feed with about 80% bloom and 20% grow. That small amount of grow seems to be enough to keep the plants green in my environment. I pretty much keep protekt where it was in veg moving into flower and also add some magpro. Since you're using tap water, magpro might not be necessary for you.

FWIW, I like the rockwool blocks from B'cuzz a little better than grodan cubes. They're both good products but the grodan cubes hold water longer than I'd like them too as they're a little more dense.

HB. Great stuff, read through most of your journals and its inspiring stuff. Keep up the good work.

Have a question for ya as I've recently switched from using a 7ish part gh series to one part floranova to simplify things. However on my first run I noticed my leaves yellowed as well as you with dyna early. I've never subscribed to the keep the leaves green all through plant life but I'm also still learning so I'm interested in making more of an effort to keep green.

So I was thinking about adding just the flora grow part to my floranova solution to keep the N higher. Have you ever tried this instead of mixing the complete grow/bloom together (dyna for you obviously)? Seems like a simpler way of adjusting the N ratio if that's all that needed.

Nice work. Also would love to see a 1 part nutrient show down in floranova vs dyna gro.

sheik yerbouti said:

HB. Great stuff, read through most of your journals and its inspiring stuff. Keep up the good work.

Have a question for ya as I've recently switched from using a 7ish part gh series to one part floranova to simplify things. However on my first run I noticed my leaves yellowed as well as you with dyna early. I've never subscribed to the keep the leaves green all through plant life but I'm also still learning so I'm interested in making more of an effort to keep green.

So I was thinking about adding just the flora grow part to my floranova solution to keep the N higher. Have you ever tried this instead of mixing the complete grow/bloom together (dyna for you obviously)? Seems like a simpler way of adjusting the N ratio if that's all that needed.

Nice work. Also would love to see a 1 part nutrient show down in floranova vs dyna gro.

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Flora grow doesn't have a lot of N. In your case, if floranova bloom isn't keeping the leaves green, add in some floranova grow. However you do it, I'd recommend growing the healthiest plants you can as they will always produce the best meds.

Awesome thread homebrewer. Over the years Ive used tons of different nutrients. Its kinda funny how the best results Ive gotten over that time have been from the "cheap" nutes like Jacks Classic (the original Peters) and now recently Dynagro.


I had a younger grower kinda laugh when I told him what Ive been running with great success. After seeing his closet with like $600-$800 worth of AN stuff and his average plants I was the one smiling.

I ran some AN stuff a while back, just to quell my curiosity and see if there was anything more than slick marketing to it. Found out it was just as I suspected.

Already inaccurate. By doing one then the other you're probing nothing. Barometric pressure, temperature humidity will all be different next round. Chances are mistakes will he made on one that aren't on the other. There's a reason we do side by side. It removes many variables giving more reliable results. Tho I'm sure I just pointed out a bunch of shit we already knew and made myself look like a dick in the process? Lol. Sorry if that's the case. Wasn't my intention you just can really call it anything conclusive one way or another.. wont keep me from watching. The last one was pretty cool.

sensisensai said:

Already inaccurate. By doing one then the other you're probing nothing. Barometric pressure, temperature humidity will all be different next round. Chances are mistakes will he made on one that aren't on the other. There's a reason we do side by side. It removes many variables giving more reliable results. Tho I'm sure I just pointed out a bunch of shit we already knew and made myself look like a dick in the process? Lol. Sorry if that's the case. Wasn't my intention you just can really call it anything conclusive one way or another.. wont keep me from watching. The last one was pretty cool.

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This grow was just a test grow to see how AN's most over-hyped base nutes do in my hydroponic system. I grew AK47 (clones from the same mom I've always used), a strain I've grown countless numbers of times and I'm very familiar how it regularly performs. What I like about hydro is that it's consistent and parameters can be measured at any time. I kept everything the same (flood cycles, feeding levels, pH, my environment, everything) for this grow and the results are posted about 50 pages back.

I recently did a test grow with H&G's aqua flakes under the exact same conditions as every one of my grows and H&G killed it. No surprises, no issues, it was consistent and true from start to finish. That's how GH performs, that's how DG performs, that is what you come to expect out of high quality plant foods. Connoisseur presented issues in this grow and I never have issues in my hydro system, ever. Does Connoisseur need calmag? According to their label it shouldn't. Are their sources for nitrogen cheap and a poor choice for hydroponic growing? Absolutely. No other hydroponic plant food uses Urea and Other Water Soluble Nitrogen as the industry standard is nitrate and ammoniacal.

Connoisseur may work ok in coco/dirt/promix but it's a poor choice for hydroponics. It's actually a poor choice for coco/dirt/promix given the plethora of other more versatile, less expensive, easier to use options at the hydro store.

I'm on about week 8 (from seed, not in flower yet) and gave dyna-gro a run this time based on HB's case studies. I'm not going to lie, it's been the easiest start from seed I've had yet. The only things I've added outside of dyna-gro grow/protekt is a camg from botanicare (only issues I ever had so far has been camg since I tend be afraid of over feeding it). All in promix. In two weeks I'm moving to flowering. Next round I'm going to make it a better point to make notes to fine tune the feeding.

I been running Dg for about a year now. the magpro fixed my yellowing leaf issues, that and switching to 99% straight Grow, no Bloom for flower. I try to run about 600-700 ppm.

2ml protekt, 5ml grow (a dash more if i feel i need a stronger feed), 1 - 1.5 ml magpro / per gallon water. KLN is the absolute best for rooting. 2gallon bubblers, 2ml grow, 5ml KLN.. gets me roots in 5-7 days, no humidity domes 99% success rate. all in promix dx (i think, the one with myco in it works best for me) 2:1 promix/perlite gives good drainage.

maybe 2 or 3 times in the flower cycle i will add in Bloom for a lil kick. but im fairly certain its completly unnecessary. I know of one person who only used DG grow start to finish, and he has great results.


in DWC I run the exact same nute mix only I add in Floralicious + 1ml per gallon. i dont even bother chkn PH/ PPm anymore, this stuff is so reliable with the resulst. I go 2 weeks between water changes.
no fuss, KISS principles goin on here.

the real work goes into drying and curing anyways. Im very Thankful to HB and his awesome advice. Bigbuddhacheese is another good DG user here.

personally, i know how long i have been smoking (goin on 24 yrs), and I know how picky I can be when it comes to my smoke, i would like to consider my self a real connoisseur. And folks who know, deff are fans of my work.

Id say I owe most of my succes to finding HB's threads on the subject. , IDk, jus tokin a bowl, seen the thread still goin strong... figured id drop my .02 stay high & have fun....

merkzilla said:

I'm on about week 8 (from seed, not in flower yet) and gave dyna-gro a run this time based on HB's case studies. I'm not going to lie, it's been the easiest start from seed I've had yet. The only things I've added outside of dyna-gro grow/protekt is a camg from botanicare (only issues I ever had so far has been camg since I tend be afraid of over feeding it). All in promix. In two weeks I'm moving to flowering. Next round I'm going to make it a better point to make notes to fine tune the feeding.

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Pretty easy stuff, huh. I'm doing a grow journal right now (https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/566752-classic-seeds-grow-journal.html) and they've really only been getting grow and protekt. I'm not saying calmag might not be needed for you, your strains or your environment, but I have yet to see a need for more calcium and magnesium than is already supplied by their base nutrients.

This is the most recent update, day 42 of flower and overall they're maybe 90 days from seed. I've never hit them with calmag but I do own a bottle, it's a great tool to have especially if you use RO water. This is a Thai and Columbian Gold crossed to (C99 x Romulan):







And some bud shots:

homebrewer said:

Pretty easy stuff, huh. I'm doing a grow journal right now (https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/566752-classic-seeds-grow-journal.html) and they've really only been getting grow and protekt. I'm not saying calmag might not be needed for you, your strains or your environment, but I have yet to see a need for more calcium and magnesium than is already supplied by their base nutrients.

This is the most recent update, day 42 of flower and overall they're maybe 90 days from seed. I've never hit them with calmag but I do own a bottle, it's a great tool to have especially if you use RO water. This is a Thai and Columbian Gold crossed to (C99 x Romulan):

And some bud shots:

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Might be the case that it's not needed. Just had a problem pop up, going to send you a message about it in a minute.