Droop

obijohn

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Not really my leaves, but the tops, especially the plant in the single photo have the tops/tips kind of drooping over. I transplanted these from a 2 gallon to 7 gallon container, and this one was kind of doing it beforehand. I know typically underwatering will cause the leaves to droop, overwatering can do the same. Not the case here. It looked good day after I transplanted, then tips drooped yesterday. I didn't soak the soil when I repotted, just slightly moistened. I did google some, it's said underwatering causes the tips to droop like this before the leaves go limp because there isn't enough water pressure so I watered a little yesterday, all 3 with Grow Big. Looked ok this morning ,now droop again.

I've had bad experiences overwatering before and don't want to get into that cycle. Any thoughts?
 

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obijohn

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I'd think from transplanting but it was doing it before I repotted. Seems to be worse during the day and better night/early morning. Sewmi cloudy past few days, highs in the 80's, which is cool for here considering it's June
 
obijohn

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7 gallon pots. Ocean Forest which is a little moist out of the bag, so I filled a 2 gallon watering can and used about half on all 3 pots rather than drench, so one gallon or a hair more. Less than a gallon on all 3 yesterday with Grow Big
 
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twentyeight.threefive

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obijohn said:
7 gallon pots. Ocean Forest which is a little moist out of the bag, so I filled a 2 gallon watering can and used about half on all 3 pots rather than drench, so one gallon or a hair more. Less than a gallon on all 3 yesterday with Grow Big
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Why wouldn’t you soak the entire pot? That’s how you’re supposed to water.

There’s also no need to add nutrients to fresh FFOF. You most likely just over fed them. FFOF is loaded with nutrients.

You didn’t fully water them when you transplanted and then you watered them again right after. You over watered them.
 
obijohn

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Because most of the soil was bag damp. I've always read to USE light nutes when transplanting, and water a little to 'set' the plants in the new soil
 
twentyeight.threefive

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obijohn said:
Because most of the soil was bag damp. I've always read to USE light nutes when transplanting, and water a little to 'set' the plants in the new soil
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When using soil it needs to go through a wet to dry cycle. Soak it, let it dry, and then repeat. Constantly giving just a little bit of water and letting it stay wet is the definition of overwatering. It’s the frequency of watering not the total amount you give it.

Not sure where you read that, but it’s a terrible idea especially when using precharged soil like FFOF. It runs hot with nutrients as is, no need at all to add anything other than water to it for around a month.
 
GroBud

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Those are big enough plants and small enough pots to get a gallon per pot. I'd water the edges not around plants base until runoff. Being underwatered more than likely first watering I'd drench roots with that quarter gallon then use the other 3 quarters around pots edge. Then next watering around pots edges only. Or water from the bottom. Watering from the bottom you cant go wrong as pot will only take what it can hold also getting roots to grow down and around pot. If growing outside that could be daily to 3 days indoors about once a week. Of course going off pots weight before watering again. Daily to once a week are guesstimates off my watering cycles

At transplant you want to water around transplant well to set/settle soil and remove air pockets. Overwatering isnt watering too much at one time it's watering a wet pot, that hasn't been allowed to dry properly in between waterings

I get annoyed when my soil is dry right out of the bag, you prefer it to be moist that doesn't mean its watered.
 
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GroBud said:
Those are big enough plants and small enough pots to get a gallon per pot. I'd water the edges not around plants base until runoff. Being underwatered more than likely first watering I'd drench roots with that quarter gallon then use the other 3 quarters around pots edge. Then next watering around pots edges only. Or water from the bottom. Watering from the bottom you cant go wrong as pot will only take what it can hold also getting roots to grow down and around pot. If growing outside that could be daily to 3 days indoors about once a week. Of course going off pots weight before watering again. Daily to once a week are guesstimates off my watering cycles

At transplant you want to water around transplant well to set/settle soil and remove air pockets. Overwatering isnt watering too much at one time it's watering a wet pot, that hasn't been allowed to dry properly in between waterings

I get annoyed when my soil is dry right out of the bag, you prefer it to be moist that doesn't mean its watered.
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Please stop telling people to water the edges of the pot. People should be watering the entire pot until soaked.
 
PadawanWarrior

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twentyeight.threefive said:
When using soil it needs to go through a wet to dry cycle. Soak it, let it dry, and then repeat. Constantly giving just a little bit of water and letting it stay wet is the definition of overwatering. It’s the frequency of watering not the total amount you give it.

Not sure where you read that, but it’s a terrible idea especially when using precharged soil like FFOF. It runs hot with nutrients as is, no need at all to add anything other than water to it for around a month.
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Not if your growing organically. Then you want to keep the soil damp, but not soaking. Since he's using salts it doesn't need to stay moist though, so a dry phase isn't a bad idea.

You are correct that he shouldn't even be using those FF salts yet though.
 
twentyeight.threefive

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PadawanWarrior said:
Not if your growing organically. Then you want to keep the soil damp, but not soaking. Since he's using salts it doesn't need to stay moist though, so a dry phase isn't a bad idea.

You are correct that he shouldn't even be using those FF salts yet though.
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When do you determine when to give water again?
 
GroBud

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twentyeight.threefive said:
Please stop telling people to water the edges of the pot. People should be watering the entire pot until soaked.
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Do you not understand the water will seep to the roots. Do you not understand when soils dry plants roots stretch. What's not to understand about properly watering a pot for root growth. You shouldnt water the whole pot until you have a well formed root system or a pot sized right for plant size. That's how beginner's overwater because they dont know wet vs dry pot weight. I have watered a whole pot at transplant by accident that pot didn't dry for over a month. I gave the plant a shot glass of water at it base only because it had been 3 weeks since pot was watered. Also I've never told anyone on here to water around plant like I just did but in this case that's what I would do its underwatered those roots are looking for water reason I would water around the sides giving them something to find expanding his root zone faster.

Why did I look at the ignored member post lol always a new buddy with new buddy ideas. Dude on youtube grows 10lbs on one plant watering like that 15 minuets a plant around plants no where near the base. I dont generally water like that however in this case I would. Not water everytime like that, you act like you've never grown anything and have no idea what's said most times.
 
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GroBud said:
Do you not understand the water will seep to the roots. Do you not understand when soils dry plants roots stretch. What's not to understand about properly watering a pot for root growth. You shouldnt water the whole pot until you have a well formed root system or a pot sized right for plant size. That's how beginner's overwater because they dont know wet vs dry pot weight. I have watered a whole pot at transplant by accident that pot didn't dry for over a month. I gave the plant a shot glass of water at it base only because it had been 3 weeks since pot was watered. Also I've never told anyone on here to water around plant like I just did but in this case that's what I would do its underwatered those roots are looking for water reason I would water around the sides giving them something to find expanding his root zone faster.
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Oh so plant roots stretch towards dry spots. GTFO.

Beginners overwater because they constantly add more water to already wet pots, not because of soaking the entire pot.

You’re a wealth of misinformation.
 
FirstCavApache64

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twentyeight.threefive said:
I get that. I’m asking what do you use to determine if it’s dry enough to rewater?
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Just pot lift until I got used to it. My organic dry amendment plants get almost a gallon a day in 5 gallon fabric pots once they have decent roots and bio mass up top with no run off. I water them all every day as I don't use mulch and the top layer dries out too quickly. 3 gallon pots get about 90 ounces give or take daily depending on the stage they're in. Keeping them constantly moist keeps the little critters in the soil happy or so I'm told. I haven't seen any issues with over watering or root problems doing it this way for the 3 full runs I've made in organics but that doesn't mean it won't happen. It took me a bit to get used to keeping the soil so moist but it seems to work with this style. I do need to get some kind of mulch though.
 
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