Dr Greenthumbs G13

Brick Top · May 14, 2011

Pipe Dream said:
And you can't get G13 from Mr Nice, isn't that the whole point of DRGT releasing it?

That would be partially correct, at least if it turns out that the strain that Dr. Greenthumb named and marketed as being the genetically pure original G13 is just that and not a hybrid as it seems far more likely to be. If it turns out to be what it most likely is, a hybrid, than you can purchase any number of G13 hybrids that they, or the G13 in them, did originally come from hybrids created by Nevil, and you can purchase them much cheaper and in regular seeds so you remove a large percentage of the risk of going through hermie Hell like you risk with any feminized seed.

And even if it is the original, the reason I said what you said would be only partially correct is the main reason for Dr. Greenthumb to release it would be profit and profit alone. It would not at all be like he would do it just because he is some magnanimous munificent human being who only or mainly wanted the tokers of the world to have the chance to grow and smoke true G13 and since no one else had his incredible generosity caused him to provide a product that no one else is providing.

Plus if he were positive it is genetically pure G13 he would not have said he gave that to the name of what he purchased or that only time will tell if it is the real deal or not and if it turns out to not be real he will change the name. Instead he would flat out say it is real true original genetically pure G13, period, thee end .. and he would stick with that and stand by that and not basically say maybe it is and maybe it isn't and it it turns out not to be he will rename it.

Brick Top · May 14, 2011

fletchman said:
Im sure BrickTop and StonedMentalPatient would enjoy growing it also, but they are just too damned stubborn.

As I have said several or more times now, if it is proven to be real, which I have also said I hope to be the case, even though I am not an indica fan I would like to grow it. I would like to see what 'the legend' is like.

But I have never been one to buy a pig in a poke and right now that is what Dr. Greenthumb named G13 and is selling as being genetically pure original G13.

Dr Gruber · May 14, 2011

stonedmetalhead1 said:
That's like saying "God exists, prove he doesn't" the burden of proof falls on the seller. It shouldn't matter if he runs an illegal business he should still have some ethics. If you like his gear great, the only thing people have a problem with is his misrepresentation.

You missed my point...im saying that there are a lot more people saying "i know for a fact" that its not pure g13 then there are people who are saying they"know for a fact" its real. The point BT was making is only looking at one side of the issue.

And by the way... circumstancial evidnece whether its a mountain or a mole hill is still circumstancial and doesnt prove anything. What will that evidence become if Nevile comes out and says its the real deal? But wait....im begining to see that no matter what Nevile says it wont be proof enough. Lets face it...until they can do DNA testing on MJ we wont ever know if any strain is real or not. Can you state for the record right here and now that if Nevile says its the real deal you will concead that its the real thing and therefore admit you are wrong about Greenthumb?

Dr Gruber · May 14, 2011

Brick Top said:
That would be partially correct, at least if it turns out that the strain that Dr. Greenthumb named and marketed as being the genetically pure original G13 is just that and not a hybrid as it seems far more likely to be. If it turns out to be what it most likely is, a hybrid, than you can purchase any number of G13 hybrids that they, or the G13 in them, did originally come from hybrids created by Nevil, and you can purchase them much cheaper and in regular seeds so you remove a large percentage of the risk of going through hermie Hell like you risk with any feminized seed.

And even if it is the original, the reason I said what you said would be only partially correct is the main reason for Dr. Greenthumb to release it would be profit and profit alone. It would not at all be like he would do it just because he is some magnanimous munificent human being who only or mainly wanted the tokers of the world to have the chance to grow and smoke true G13 and since no one else had his incredible generosity caused him to provide a product that no one else is providing.

Plus if he were positive it is genetically pure G13 he would not have said he gave that to the name of what he purchased or that only time will tell if it is the real deal or not and if it turns out to not be real he will change the name. Instead he would flat out say it is real true original genetically pure G13, period, thee end .. and he would stick with that and stand by that and not basically say maybe it is and maybe it isn't and it it turns out not to be he will rename it.

You keep saying Doc named it that and not the person who gave it to him...are you doing that on purpose or is it just a mistake?

OGMan · May 14, 2011

Dr Gruber said:
You missed my point...im saying that there are a lot more people saying "i know for a fact" that its not pure g13 then there are people who are saying they"know for a fact" its real. The point BT was making is only looking at one side of the issue.

And by the way... circumstancial evidnece whether its a mountain or a mole hill is still circumstancial and doesnt prove anything. What will that evidence become if Nevile comes out and says its the real deal? But wait....im begining to see that no matter what Nevile says it wont be proof enough. Lets face it...until they can do DNA testing on MJ we wont ever know if any strain is real or not. Can you state for the record right here and now that if Nevile says its the real deal you will concead that its the real thing and therefore admit you are wrong about Greenthumb?

This is not even about Greenthumb! Neville said he gave the G13 to DoubleDs and Dogless. We don't have a photo of the one Dogless has but we do have lots of photos of Doubleds. Doubleds look completely and exactly like yours Dr. Gruber from Dr. Greenthumb and Neville has said the photos he's seen of Doc's G13 are identical to the plant he gave Doubleds and Dogless. All the grow journals look the same too and we are seeing no phenos that might indicate it is a cross. None. Now I have few doubts it is G13 in fact I'm pretty sure it is but if it's not it can hardly be construed as Doc's fault

Dr Gruber · May 14, 2011

OGMan said:
This is not even about Greenthumb! Neville said he gave the G13 to DoubleDs and Dogless. We don't have a photo of the one Dogless has but we do have lots of photos of Doubleds. Doubleds look completely and exactly like yours Dr. Gruber from Dr. Greenthumb and Neville has said the photos he's seen of Doc's G13 are identical to the plant he gave Doubleds and Dogless. All the grow journals look the same too and we are seeing no phenos that might indicate it is a cross. None. Now I have few doubts it is G13 in fact I'm pretty sure it is but if it's not it can hardly be construed as Doc's fault

That is actually true but i dont think they will see that point.

stonedmetalhead1 · May 14, 2011

Dr Gruber said:
You missed my point...im saying that there are a lot more people saying "i know for a fact" that its not pure g13 then there are people who are saying they"know for a fact" its real. The point BT was making is only looking at one side of the issue.

And by the way... circumstancial evidnece whether its a mountain or a mole hill is still circumstancial and doesnt prove anything. What will that evidence become if Nevile comes out and says its the real deal? But wait....im begining to see that no matter what Nevile says it wont be proof enough. Lets face it...until they can do DNA testing on MJ we wont ever know if any strain is real or not. Can you state for the record right here and now that if Nevile says its the real deal you will concead that its the real thing and therefore admit you are wrong about Greenthumb?

Nevil hasn't said anything or even seen it in person. Dogless even said he worked the clone. Just because they had the clone doesn't mean it survived in it's original form.

Dr Gruber · May 14, 2011

stonedmetalhead1 said:
Nevil hasn't said anything or even seen it in person. Dogless even said he worked the clone. Just because they had the clone doesn't mean it survived in it's original form.

Can you state for the record right here and now that if Nevile says its the real deal you will concead that its the real thing and therefore admit you are wrong about Greenthumb?

stonedmetalhead1 · May 14, 2011

Dr Gruber said:
Can you state for the record right here and now that if Nevile says its the real deal you will concead that its the real thing and therefore admit you are wrong about Greenthumb?

My problem as stated above is how they maintained it when Shanti and Nevil couldn't. Dogless said he worked the clone so it sounds like he bred it back to health which I could see. Nevil smoked Kangas G13 cross and thought it was like G13 it's been twenty years since he had it in it's pure form so I'd agree that it's G13 related but until someone accounts for how it was maintained and why there are differences in it's traits I'll definitely have my doubts. All parties have something to gain for legitimizing this cut in order to stir up business being lossed due to the rise in demand for American genetics. Not to mention Nevil also smoked Sour D and said it was super silver haze.

Shanti even has his doubts. He doesn't understand why all of a sudden this just now popped up and wonders why Nevil didn't get it back when it originally died if he new someone who had it.

Brick Top · May 14, 2011

Dr Gruber said:
You keep saying Doc named it that and not the person who gave it to him...are you doing that on purpose or is it just a mistake?

05-12-2011 02:57 AM #1338
OGMan

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Here's what Greenthumb said about it. Now lets just wait for the grow reports

we are getting a lot of grief and hate about our naming this strain g13. the cut came from a very reliable source and we were assured over and over again that it was g13 or we wouldn't have splashed out so much money to aquire it. we grew it out to confirm that in our opinion it was g13 and used our own experience combined with doubleds g13 as a yardstick since there doesn't seem to be any one cohesive description and much folklore. once convinced we were dealing with an exceptional plant from a reliable source we worked with the plant for a year before releasing it in S1 seed form. it is in the public domaine now where all strains belong and only time will tell if we were right or wrong but either way it is a spectacular plant and nobody can loose on it or we wouldn't sell it. we have a lot invested in this plant but if in the long run it is reliably demonstrated to not be g13 we will change the name we've applied to it in a new york minute but not one second before.

Now that came from OGMan, one of, if not the biggest, Dr. Greenthumb supporter here and he said; "Here's what Greenthumb said about it." Following that the messages that according to what OGMan apparently is claiming came from Dr. Greenthumb himself it begins. "we are getting a lot of grief and hate about our naming this strain g13."Why would he say; "our naming this strain G13" if the strain was already named G13? Why would Dr. Greenthumb rename the strain the very same thing that it was already named? He wouldn't. No one would bother to say I will now call G13 by the name of G13. Now he went on to say; "we were assured over and over again that it was g13" but that makes no sense whatsoever in that if it were already named G13 that Dr. Greenthumb would have said; "we are getting a lot of grief and hate about our naming this strain g13."

I believe what we saw there was a bit of a Freudian slip on the part of Dr. Greenthumb. The slip was to admit that he named the strain G13 before going on to claim; "we were assured over and over again that it was g13."

That indicates the strain had some different name, if it had a name at all, and Dr. Greenthumb then decided to name it G13.

Evidently you missed OGMan's message and since in that message Dr. Greenthumb said he, or they, evidently as in Dr. Greenthumb Seeds, decided to name the strain G13, so I say how it was clearly named G13 after Dr. Greenthumb received it, as he clearly indicated himself in the message that OGMan posted on 05-12-2011 at 02:57 AM and was Message #1338.

That is if OGMan was being honest and the message he posted did in fact come from Dr. Greenthumb, as he said it did when he said; "Here's what Greenthumb said about it." If OGMan is telling the truth than Dr. Greenthumb, or the Dr. Greenthunb staff/employees, of which Dr. Greenthumb would always have final say over, did in fact name the strain G13.

Why would that be done if the strain already carried the name of G13?

Biggybuds · May 15, 2011

Pipe Dream said:
And you can't get G13 from Mr Nice, isn't that the whole point of DRGT releasing it? In oanother post you claimed doc isn't a breeder because all he does is make s1s. Well, unfortunately that's what everybody wants and buys. For the record all of these are created by DRGT, 747, Big laughing, Big Purps, Chumaluma, Colombian skies, Endless Sky, Fire Hydrant, Iranian autoflower, jazz, kashmiri, mellenium bud, Matanuska Thunderfuck, Niagara, Niagra x shiva, sweet 105 and The Dope. Think about it, how harrd is it to get your seeds sold at Attitude? They sell any breeder stuff they have no standards, just profit margins. DRGT doesn't want to be associated with that and has his own customer base and seed shop.

i can tell you this is absolutely true. greenthumb wouldn't sell his seeds to attitude if they were the last distributor on earth and he doesn't wholesale to anyone else either, so he gets a lot of hate from people who can't make any money selling his seeds

Biggybuds · May 15, 2011

stonedmetalhead1 said:
My problem as stated above is how they maintained it when Shanti and Nevil couldn't. Dogless said he worked the clone so it sounds like he bred it back to health which I could see. Nevil smoked Kangas G13 cross and thought it was like G13 it's been twenty years since he had it in it's pure form so I'd agree that it's G13 related but until someone accounts for how it was maintained and why there are differences in it's traits I'll definitely have my doubts. All parties have something to gain for legitimizing this cut in order to stir up business being lossed due to the rise in demand for American genetics. Not to mention Nevil also smoked Sour D and said it was super silver haze.

Shanti even has his doubts. He doesn't understand why all of a sudden this just now popped up and wonders why Nevil didn't get it back when it originally dies if he new someone who had it.

ahh but it didn't just all of a sudden show up. doubled d has been growing his for years and hippy friends of dogless have also been growing it for years

Dr Gruber · May 15, 2011

stonedmetalhead1 said:
My problem as stated above is how they maintained it when Shanti and Nevil couldn't. Dogless said he worked the clone so it sounds like he bred it back to health which I could see. Nevil smoked Kangas G13 cross and thought it was like G13 it's been twenty years since he had it in it's pure form so I'd agree that it's G13 related but until someone accounts for how it was maintained and why there are differences in it's traits I'll definitely have my doubts. All parties have something to gain for legitimizing this cut in order to stir up business being lossed due to the rise in demand for American genetics. Not to mention Nevil also smoked Sour D and said it was super silver haze.

Shanti even has his doubts. He doesn't understand why all of a sudden this just now popped up and wonders why Nevil didn't get it back when it originally died if he new someone who had it.

I understand thats how you feel..i have for some time now. I dont mean to be rude but either you dont understand my question or you just wont answer it...here it is again.

"Can you state for the record right here and now that if Nevile says its the real deal you will concead that its the real thing and therefore admit you are wrong about Greenthumb?"

Maybe you are answering it without answering it and that answer would be "no", you wont concead its the real deal no matter what Nevile says?????
Is that correct?
If it is what will it take to be proved to you?

Brick Top · May 15, 2011

Biggybuds said:
i can tell you this is absolutely true. greenthumb wouldn't sell his seeds to attitude if they were the last distributor on earth and he doesn't wholesale to anyone else either, so he gets a lot of hate from people who can't make any money selling his seeds

Attitude has over 90 different breeder lines ... some the very highest quality breeders in the world. Do you honestly believe Attitude's owner(s) are upset and; "hate" Dr. Greenthumb for not selling wholesale to them? Do you honestly believe that adding Dr. Greenthumb's line to the 90-plus other breeder's lines that Attitude has that it would make a major difference in profitability?

If so ... as the Aerosmith song goes ... "dream on."

If anyone would gain the most profit-wise it would likely be Dr. Greenthumb. He would not earn every penny from every bean he produced but his increased exposure to the world market would increase and his overall number of beans sold would likely go up and he would more than make up any profit differential in volume of sales.

stonedmetalhead1 · May 15, 2011

Dr Gruber said:
I understand thats how you feel..i have for some time now. I dont mean to be rude but either you dont understand my question or you just wont answer it...here it is again.

"Can you state for the record right here and now that if Nevile says its the real deal you will concead that its the real thing and therefore admit you are wrong about Greenthumb?"

Maybe you are answering it without answering it and that answer would be "no", you wont concead its the real deal no matter what Nevile says?????
Is that correct?
If it is what will it take to be proved to you?

I addressed what it would take to convince me. The answers to a few simple questions: Why is the G13 now being described as a huge yielder with a slightly fruity terpene profile when it was originally described as a fecal matter smelling afghan that had low yields with prolific resin production and where has the resin production gone because I'm not seeing it? Why is it that just now, after 20 years, Nevil is remembering that he gave it to people? Shanti wonders this too.

bajafox · May 15, 2011

I don't know why you bother replying to frmrboi anymore, all of his posts are to bait in what he labels "Greenthumb haters" and after 140+ pages, none of his posts contain anything worth reading

Brick Top said:
The not being feminized part is a real plus. There is less of a chance of going through hermie Hell when you grow from regular seeds than when you grow from feminized seeds.

I made the mistake of ordering feminized seeds when I started growing a year ago... It is nice to not have to start a lot of seeds and find a female but I've had a few feminized plants hermie on me wasting weeks, if not months worth of work. All of my future seed orders will most likely be regulars unless there is a feminized strain that I just have to have.

Brick Top · May 15, 2011

Originally Posted by Dr Gruber
I understand thats how you feel..i have for some time now. I dont mean to be rude but either you dont understand my question or you just wont answer it...here it is again.

"Can you state for the record right here and now that if Nevile says its the real deal you will concead that its the real thing and therefore admit you are wrong about Greenthumb?"

Maybe you are answering it without answering it and that answer would be "no", you wont concead its the real deal no matter what Nevile says?????
Is that correct?
If it is what will it take to be proved to you?

stonedmetalhead1 said:
I addressed what it would take to convince me. The answers to a few simple questions: Why is the G13 now being described as a huge yielder with a slightly fruity terpene profile when it was originally described as a fecal matter smelling afghan that had low yields with prolific resin production and where has the resin production gone because I'm not seeing it? Why is it that just now, after 20 years, Nevil is remembering that he gave it to people? Shanti wonders this too.

While I know the initial question was not asked of me, and that I have said if Nevil gives it his stamp of approval I will accept it as being true G13, even though I also find it odd that only now Nevil remembers who he gave it to. But last night I was thinking about something and it could explain the differences without it being a hybrid, but if so it would then also mean that it would not be exactly genetically the same as the original.

According to Romulan Joe the original Romulan was a tall lanky long flowering strain. Over the decades each shorter bushier heavier producing faster flowering phenotype was used for breeding and over time a tall lanky long flowering strain became a short bushy heavier producing shorter flowering strain. Certain genetic traits were being increased and it altered the plants and to a degree it also altered the buzz because of it. Certain genetics were being bred out and others increased, even though it was only being bred with itself.

Maybe something similar has taken place with G13 and certain genetic traits have been bred out, or lessened greatly, and others increased by the selective breeding of different or preferred phenotypes ... but that would be altering the genetics from the original and that could explain the differences in description, but it might also mean it no longer has the same buzz it one had, it's genetics would have been changed even though not through hybridization. I am not saying that is what has happened, or how probable it might be, but it is possible.

OGMan · May 15, 2011

Brick Top said:
Attitude has over 90 different breeder lines ... some the very highest quality breeders in the world. Do you honestly believe Attitude's owner(s) are upset and; "hate" Dr. Greenthumb for not selling wholesale to them? Do you honestly believe that adding Dr. Greenthumb's line to the 90-plus other breeder's lines that Attitude has that it would make a major difference in profitability?

If so ... as the Aerosmith song goes ... "dream on."

If anyone would gain the most profit-wise it would likely be Dr. Greenthumb. He would not earn every penny from every bean he produced but his increased exposure to the world market would increase and his overall number of beans sold would likely go up and he would more than make up any profit differential in volume of sales.

When Greenthumb's Cindy 99 was voted best of 2009 or 2010 at High Times, Attitude tried to expropriate it and sell the seeds even though they had none nor any prospects of getting any, until Doc chewed them out and they took their ad down but I agree with you Bricktop, Attitude wouldn't care but lots of other smaller distributors might and I'm sure do

frmrboi · May 15, 2011

bajafox said:
I don't know why you bother replying to frmrboi anymore.

because he's a bigger man than you, MUCH bigger.

Brick Top · May 15, 2011

frmrboi said:

Don't you have a different picture of your he/she wife to post? I don't know about anyone else but seeing the same picture of your wife over and over again is getting old.

I am curious though .... did you have to widen the door to your trailer so your he/she wife can get in and out or do you just grease up his/her sides and shove as hard as you can when he/she wants to go out or some in?

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