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s.c.mtn.hillbilly

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does anyone have any idea what kind of hybrid this is? or at least one of the parents? it has double sawtooth on half of the leaves, doesn't get too crystally(at least its mother didn't)...stays kinda' short...slight skunk when smoked...the guy who gave me the seeds didn't know what he was doing(miracle gro in clay) so I can't say yet exactly how she'll taste. I wonder if it's some ruderalis hybrid, or G-13.... the base of the leaves are connected, not seperate like most. some of the wickedest shaped leaves I'd ever seen!. any educated guesses are welcome. I can't get the image..it's in my pic-post.
 
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AlphaNoN

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Early birds (auto-flowering) are generally ruderalis hybrids. Make a cross and inbreed it (yee haw), that way you can see a wider variety of the pheno's it expresses. It's interesting to say the least.
 
420chazz

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if you mean the leaves are sort of webbed into one leaf rather than many blades, its probably a strain known as duuksfoot. google it and you'll see what i mean.
 
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nope..it was foggy overnight and the wind died down...so it won't be as bad as previously thought (I hope!)...still watching the wind direction though...this is super wicked steep-ass brambles around here...hard to get a footing on a good day! some of the worst possible for fire fighters...pucker factor here is down to 8 now. we sure were damn lucky!
 
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it's definitely tetraploid.....the mother was a little skunky...no trace of kush.....if it is stable, I REALLY have something here! google tetraploid cannabis....all I see is master kush....I have MK! she's on clone mother duty as well...this is NOT MK! I just took 30 cuttings, and there's another 30 on her....she never budded out...just flowered early in spring then reverted to a bush that only a grower would recognize! I could put this on the steps of any city hall(except insanity cruz!!!) and they would send emillio to hit it with the trimmer!
 
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Corbat420

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yea, i have the cervantez grow bible, and it sounds to me like an afghanica/ruderalis cross, making for the doublesaw and the webbing. other than that i got nothing W/O a budding plant pic....and its just a speculation bcuz well, no pic :P
 
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I read about it somewhere on the net, that one good indication is buds growing on the stem instead of in the crook. she had wicked double teeth before she flowered(showed)...my master kush just has preflowers on what's left(clone cutting), and they're all in the crook...so maybe not all m.k. express their polyploidy? this may have m.k. in its ancestry...I have no clue.... they need to work on cataloging the weed genome!
 
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Corbat420 said:
yea, i have the cervantez grow bible, and it sounds to me like an afghanica/ruderalis cross, making for the doublesaw and the webbing. other than that i got nothing W/O a budding plant pic....and its just a speculation bcuz well, no pic :P
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that'd make sense... 1/2 of master kush comes from the same area, and the mother had a hint of skunk. I've got a good round of clones now, so I'm gonna' seed her from the 'widow(purple pheno). hopefully I can get the mutations to express in some of the progeny...I'll keep this as a side project, 'cause this could be a 'key' to unlock the genome to even crazier strains in the future !
 
napalesegrizzly23

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Have you read about selfing or self polinating? If it hasnt started to flower completely yet, you can reverse the sex to produce some "bannanas" and use that pollen on some of its female hairs. Those seeds would be the exact genetic makeup of its mother, its like cloning but starting from seed and they will be all female!! the seeds would be an s1 stable hybrid.
I'm trying that out right now using colloidial silver, they say to start treating it 1-2 weeks before flowering starts.
 
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gibberellic acid does the same thing. If you can get GA it will work. Colloidial silver is a different method but with the same results. I just cant get any GA. I set-up a CS generator to make my own 2 days ago.
 
Seamaiden

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s.c.mtn.hillbilly said:
that'd make sense... 1/2 of master kush comes from the same area, and the mother had a hint of skunk. I've got a good round of clones now, so I'm gonna' seed her from the 'widow(purple pheno). hopefully I can get the mutations to express in some of the progeny...I'll keep this as a side project, 'cause this could be a 'key' to unlock the genome to even crazier strains in the future !
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How do you get them to express the differing phenotypes if you're working with clones, though? I thought it required sexual reproduction to see phenotypic expression.

Did you check out the link to the mj botany book I found? Is it one you might be familiar with? How about the other book, for someone who wants more than the basics?

Edit: Oops, ok, I'm reading the last couple of posts. I am curious about this, as I have a single Papaya that I want to keep pure before trying to breed out to anything else. But, if it's male, I'm sort of stuck at that point, aren't I?
 
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Seamaiden said:
How do you get them to express the differing phenotypes if you're working with clones, though? I thought it required sexual reproduction to see phenotypic expression.

Did you check out the link to the mj botany book I found? Is it one you might be familiar with? How about the other book, for someone who wants more than the basics?

Edit: Oops, ok, I'm reading the last couple of posts. I am curious about this, as I have a single Papaya that I want to keep pure before trying to breed out to anything else. But, if it's male, I'm sort of stuck at that point, aren't I?
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naaah..I'd take a cutting if it's a male and keep an eye on it(don't allow pollen sacs 'til you need 'em) I've heard you can put 'em in stasis in the 'fridge.. I like to keep males from really good weed for more crazy hybrids...I'm a mad scientist...as far as tetra goes, I'll try crossing some of her clones, but I do NOT want to lose the original mutations...my guess is that unless(and even if)I cross them to master kush, the mutations might go underground; only to pop up randomly...under stress possibly?
 
Seamaiden

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Fascinating! I've already learned a lot from this thread, and it's also inspired me to do some other searching. I may pick up that mj botany book, too.

What I was planning was just allowing the Papaya to mature, and if it's male I was going to collect and preserve the pollen and then make hash or something out of the plant itself because I don't have the equipment to grow indoors.

:D

I still don't know enough about genetics to even suggest what might trigger phenotypic expression.
 
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