Dont listen to this bullshit.. because thats exactly what it is.

Serapis · Apr 13, 2011

I'm not going to call you a liar, but since the 7th, you have like 5 likes, one from the guy arguing with you, and 3-4 from KlosetKing.... I have just as many likes asking you guys to knock it off. As for your friends list, you have 2 more people you've added in the last week..... do you really think people are cheering you on and your repeated beating of the dead horse?

Every conversation you get in you have to win.. you can't just discuss things and realize that other's opinions may differ. When they do, you refer to those people as hardheaded and thin skinned.... The sad fact of life is, I think you are the hard headed, thin skinned one..... So go count up your likes and come back and say that again.... I guess it's possible that you denied a lot of friend requests, but the fact you felt the need to bring it up raises real doubts...

Brick Top said:
So often thin skinned but hardheaded people really cannot handle the truth and they become upset when it is told to them. It is a sad fact of life.

Oddly though while it was going on the number of likes I received from the very messages that upset someone went up and more people sent friend's requests .... so maybe I upset one by being honest, but I made many more happy by doing so.

doc111 · Apr 13, 2011

Serapis said:
This is REALLY getting old....

*Sigh*

Indeed it is. Some people are just hard headed and like to argue. I think myself and every other member who pointed out the hypocrisy of the Gospel of Brick Top was met with a similar (could all his arguments be copy and pastes too?

) played out argument and was browbeaten and belittled with his '39 years of experience' all the while taking little jabs at people and then getting butthurt when someone else gives him a taste of his own medicine. He can have the last word. I simply tried to point out the folly of his way but hard headed is as hard headed does I guess. :wall:

Happy growing bro. :weed:

hydgrow · Apr 13, 2011

You should change you name from BrickTop to BrickWall because that's what it is like I am talking to, a brick wall.

That would ease a lot of frustration for most of us knowing what we are up against.

KlosetKing · Apr 13, 2011

Sure ive dropped him a few likes, but tbh i haven't exactly been showering him with glory. On the other hand, most of you seem to think he looks like the fool in this thread, but you are SO off base.

I shared my opinion with Nirvana and it STILL wasn't understood. I had to do a fucking follow up post just to RE explain that i had a good experience with them. The fact of the matter is, 90% of the people on this thread (just like any other) are so much more concerned with their response to someone else, and to out shout the other, that they don't actually fucking read anything. Why do i toss likes towards BT? Cuz he can sit here and just paste over and over the FACTS, and you guys will just keep shouting, all-caps'ing, and belittling each other about it. And all he does in the end, is toss you more facts.

I have yet, FUCKING YET, to see ONE of you other than BT use ONE FUCKING BIT OF SCIENCE EVER. Did those caps work well enough for you? Guess what, botany is science, not fucking faith. Jorge's 'Bible' is not LITERALLY a bible, and in this world you need more than negativity, anecdotal evidence, and a caps lock set to cruise to convince someone of something.

Most of you are clowns, i meant it the first time i said it, and i still mean it now.

Brick Top · Apr 13, 2011

Serapis said:
I'm not going to call you a liar, but since the 7th, you have like 5 likes, one from the guy arguing with you, and 3-4 from KlosetKing.... I have just as many likes asking you guys to knock it off. As for your friends list, you have 2 more people you've added in the last week..... do you really think people are cheering you on and your repeated beating of the dead horse?

Have you been playing Secret Squirrel and reading my PMs too? I sure get some hum dingers from people who say they love what I say.

Here is one I received today. My reply was; "Stop ......... you're making me blush."

just saying

YOUR GREAT you can never get it enough sir. You have a lot to offer and eff everyone. I had to say it after reading everything with express and who knows who else he just stuck out. I love what you do and what you offer so THANK YOU.

I get those sorts of PMs all the time. I have to empty my PM inbox, and sent items at least once a day or they become full and I cannot send or receive any more PMs.

Here is a portion of another piece of 'hate mail' I got in a PM yesterday.

Thank you so much BT...more people should actually listen to you as we would have some REALLY good herb...not that I wanna veg on the couch eat and go to bed crap they all seem to love these days.... I have never read you sharing bs...always facts and true real knowledge of someone who actually has grown for a long time and also has progressed his knowledge into the current teks without falling for the hype...You and Uncle Ben are my heroes here...and I mean that

so again thank you for your time and sharing...if life will allow would love to meet you one day and bring you a sample of the product your knowledge helped me to produce....will see in time

Have a great one my friend...and I do consider you a friend..as much so as this format of communication will allow

It so pains me that people detest me so deeply.

Every conversation you get in you have to win

And every exchange I get into you find a way to slip in and to naturally take the other person's side and attempt to do your best to discredit me and make me look bad.

Is that something to be proud of on your part, especially while chastising me for what I say to others, not to you, but to others?

What is it about you that forces you to butt in only to complain about me?

.. you can't just discuss things and realize that other's opinions may differ.

First off, why shouldn't I have an equal right to a differing opinion when something is strictly opinion based? But when something is not opinion based, then there is only right or wrong, not opinion.

When they do, you refer to those people as hardheaded and thin skinned.

One thing that people like you fail to realize about me is if you treat me well I will be so sweet that I will make sugar taste like salt, but when called a blowhard and not being a kid anymore and getting the Depends and dentures and old folks home comments tossed my way, well I tend to return them in spades. When someone clearly does not have a clue about something rants and rambles on and on like an expert, I will tell them the facts, the cold hard facts, and if they do not like it, that's a pity because I am not about to change at my age. Us old folks get set in our ways.

You really are very biased and rather hypocritical. Sure I will be curt with some people, but to all those who were rude to me first and then who take it to the next level, a level I do not go to, where they let loose with a string of expletives at me that would make a drunk Marine blush, I have never once seen you get on their case for starting it or for taking things so far.

You have made it more than obvious that you dislike me, which I am totally cool and the gang with because you, as everyone else here, are virtual non-entities in a way, you are fake names and typed messages and not part of my real life so what you, or anyone else, thinks about me, be it positive or negative, does not and cannot ever alter my real life in any way. But you not only give a pass too, a get out of jail free card to anyone and everyone who jumps on me, but you then join in and jump on me too even when I say nothing at all to you or about you. If you need to do that to feel better about yourself, then by all means do it, but don't for one second believe that it goes unnoticed by people.

The sad fact of life is, I think you are the hard headed, thin skinned one.....

Hardheaded, yes. Thin skinned, never in my entire life. Being hardheaded is part of what got me to where I am in life. Being hardheaded is part of why I was able to retire at the age of 49 years old. Had I been thin skinned I would have never done and achieved all I have done and achieved and I would likely have spent my life working for others and still be working for others.

So go count up your likes and come back and say that again.... I guess it's possible that you denied a lot of friend requests, but the fact you felt the need to bring it up raises real doubts...

I brought it up because recently someone else brought up their massive popularity, and when compared they had 32 people in their friends list and if I remember right I had 113. Since my popularity, or lack thereof, has been brought up it would only be natural to tell the truth about it ... like how you have 57 people in your friends list and I have 115 in mine. That is slightly more than twice your number, which surprises me since I am such a mean horrible rude obnoxious despicable human being that no one should ever like, while at the same time being such the Saint you are you should have a thousand or more friends in your list, especially since you have been a member here for over one year longer than I have and as your post count shows, you have said more here.

Why is that not the case? Could it possibly be because what you enjoy doing the most is lying in the tall grass like a viper just waiting to strike at someone who is liked rather than helping people and making friends?

If you have always trolled people the way you have been trolling me it's a wonder that you have so much as a single friend in your friends list.

Since I am positive that you did not look through my friends list I am sure that you could not have noticed the name
ArjanGreenhouseseeds in my list. While I have not been overly kind to Arjan, after saying that a few of his strains are good values for the dollar he sent a thank you PM and a friends request. Not seeing his name I know you also did not notice lovepotionman in my list either. That is Reeferman. Neither hang around here much, both will just visit and lurk some, but when he spotted me here he sent a friend's request too. Not that I am claiming that we are pals but we have both been members of several sites together over the years and have exchanged a number of messages and when he was still in Canada, going back as far as his Prairie Fire Seeds days, I would at times call to ask about strains and would end up talking with him.

Being the insufferable, intolerable, detestable, unbearable, abhorrent, abominable human being that you desperately attempt to portray me as being don't you find it odd that so many people, including those two, especially Arjan since I have not been overly kind to him, would send me friends requests?

Possibly, just possibly some people appreciate someone who is blunt and who calls a spade a spade and who is honest and who provides helpful factual information more than they like some candy-coating kiss ass who doesn't know his asshole from his ear-holes when it comes to genetics or growing or who is frightened to tell the truth out of fear that some troll like you will start riding their back they way you have ridden my back.

Serapis · Apr 13, 2011

I don't know why you got defensive regarding the mention of likes... I was merely commenting that he didn't have all the likes he claimed he had in this thread....

This thread is nothing but opinions about Nirvana.... he stated his opinion... it hasn't changed.... yet EVERYTIME someone new comes into the conversation and states they like Nirvana, we go through the same damn thing all over again, every time. He made his damn point, but he won't let other's share their opinion without starting the same old shit all over again.. like i said, it's fucking old already....

Everybody has opinions... BT's problem is he calls those that have differing opinions, stupid, hardheaded, naive, etc.... I'm fucking sick of his condescending posts and his same old BS over and over and over and over....

now do you get it?

KlosetKing said:
Sure ive dropped him a few likes, but tbh i haven't exactly been showering him with glory. On the other hand, most of you seem to think he looks like the fool in this thread, but you are SO off base.

I shared my opinion with Nirvana and it STILL wasn't understood. I had to do a fucking follow up post just to RE explain that i had a good experience with them. The fact of the matter is, 90% of the people on this thread (just like any other) are so much more concerned with their response to someone else, and to out shout the other, that they don't actually fucking read anything. Why do i toss likes towards BT? Cuz he can sit here and just paste over and over the FACTS, and you guys will just keep shouting, all-caps'ing, and belittling each other about it. And all he does in the end, is toss you more facts.

I have yet, FUCKING YET, to see ONE of you other than BT use ONE FUCKING BIT OF SCIENCE EVER. Did those caps work well enough for you? Guess what, botany is science, not fucking faith. Jorge's 'Bible' is not LITERALLY a bible, and in this world you need more than negativity, anecdotal evidence, and a caps lock set to cruise to convince someone of something.

Most of you are clowns, i meant it the first time i said it, and i still mean it now.

Serapis · Apr 13, 2011

First off, why shouldn't I have an equal right to a differing opinion when something is strictly opinion based? But when something is not opinion based, then there is only right or wrong, not opinion.

Because you beat the same old points over and over and over and over again..... Once you realize that it is OK for others to disagree with you, you'll be a much happier person.... had you posted one long 3 page post with your details, stories, urls, etc and been done with it, that would be one thing.... You keep posting the same shit over and over and over.... When I did that in UB's topping thread, I was told to knock it off, I made my point already.....

Take the clue..

Serapis · Apr 13, 2011

Why is that not the case? Could it possibly be because what you enjoy doing the most is lying in the tall grass like a viper just waiting to strike at someone who is liked rather than helping people and making friends?

BT, I laughed so fucking hard when I read this..... really hard... for it to be coming out of the mouth of a person that has been banned from these very forums 5 fucking times for the condescending, name calling that you do.... you have some nerve buddy....

I wish I had a count for all the friend requests I've rejected.... If you are gauging your likability on that, I feel for ya bro...

Brick Top · Apr 13, 2011

Serapis said:
Serapis said:

Because you beat the same old points over and over and over and over again.

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What you fail to realize, understand and factor in is in many cases I am the lone voice so if there are five people saying something that is untrue or inaccurate there is no reason why I should not respond to all five, or if someone else persists that I should not persist also.

.... Once you realize that it is OK for others to disagree with you, you'll be a much happier person.

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Oh brother have you misread me! About the only way I could be any happier in life is if I managed to find the perfect 18-year old nymphomaniac wife.

Buddy, I have it made in the shade and I walk around with a smile on my face and I'm happy as a person can be. You mistake blunt honesty and curt responses to less than kind messages for me being unhappy.

I have life by the balls. Other than things like dentist appointments I do everything according to my own schedule, as I like, when I like. I do not do things I do not like. I have no pressures on me. I roam around a lake house that's way larger than any one person would ever need, and that I actually want to move from and downsize because it is absurd for me to have what I have. It would be difficult for me to have any better of a life than I live, and what few things might seem like possible improvements all come with enough drawbacks that I do not see the tradeoff as being worthwhile. You would have to consider yourself to be extremely lucky to be able to live as carefree and as enjoyable and as happy of a life as I lead.

... had you posted one long 3 page post with your details, stories, urls, etc and been done with it, that would be one thing.... You keep posting the same shit over and over and over....

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As I previously said, if someone else, or a group of people persist in going on and saying what they want to say, which is mostly repetitious opinion and nothing more, why should I not be allowed equal freedom of speech? Because you don't like the truth to me told enough times that it eventually is believed?

If you do not care for what I say there are two very simple things you can do. When you see a message written by me, do not read it, pass it by, or use the systems ignore function so you do not have to see any of my messages. I sure wish you would do one or the other so you would then stop trolling me.

When I did that in UB's topping thread, I was told to knock it off, I made my point already.....

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So ... if I now say that you have made your point in regards to me and that it is time to knock it off, you will? I mean, you keep going on and on and on about me and me alone so it is not as if you are being topical. You are acting like a whiny little girl who will not stop until she gets her way.

In the case of Uncle Ben's topping thread, if you were questioning his accuracy or honesty or doubting him or flat out saying he was wrong then you needed to knock it off because Uncle Ben knows more about growing than anyone else on this site, which naturally includes you.

Take the clue..

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Will you be taking your own clue? It applies equally if not more to you than it does to me. I was responding to topical messages and all you have done is troll me and bitch, piss and moan about me.

For a person who lives in a glass house you sure love to throw rocks.

doc111 · Apr 13, 2011

Brick Top said:
Have you been playing Secret Squirrel and reading my PMs too? I sure get some hum dingers from people who say they love what I say.

Here is one I received today. My reply was; "Stop ......... you're making me blush."

I get those sorts of PMs all the time. I have to empty my PM inbox, and sent items at least once a day or they become full and I cannot send or receive any more PMs.

Here is a portion of another piece of 'hate mail' I got in a PM yesterday.

It so pains me that people detest me so deeply.

And every exchange I get into you find a way to slip in and to naturally take the other person's side and attempt to do your best to discredit me and make me look bad.

Is that something to be proud of on your part, especially while chastising me for what I say to others, not to you, but to others?

What is it about you that forces you to butt in only to complain about me?

First off, why shouldn't I have an equal right to a differing opinion when something is strictly opinion based? But when something is not opinion based, then there is only right or wrong, not opinion.

One thing that people like you fail to realize about me is if you treat me well I will be so sweet that I will make sugar taste like salt, but when called a blowhard and not being a kid anymore and getting the Depends and dentures and old folks home comments tossed my way, well I tend to return them in spades. When someone clearly does not have a clue about something rants and rambles on and on like an expert, I will tell them the facts, the cold hard facts, and if they do not like it, that's a pity because I am not about to change at my age. Us old folks get set in our ways.

You really are very biased and rather hypocritical. Sure I will be curt with some people, but to all those who were rude to me first and then who take it to the next level, a level I do not go to, where they let loose with a string of expletives at me that would make a drunk Marine blush, I have never once seen you get on their case for starting it or for taking things so far.

You have made it more than obvious that you dislike me, which I am totally cool and the gang with because you, as everyone else here, are virtual non-entities in a way, you are fake names and typed messages and not part of my real life so what you, or anyone else, thinks about me, be it positive or negative, does not and cannot ever alter my real life in any way. But you not only give a pass too, a get out of jail free card to anyone and everyone who jumps on me, but you then join in and jump on me too even when I say nothing at all to you or about you. If you need to do that to feel better about yourself, then by all means do it, but don't for one second believe that it goes unnoticed by people.

Hardheaded, yes. Thin skinned, never in my entire life. Being hardheaded is part of what got me to where I am in life. Being hardheaded is part of why I was able to retire at the age of 49 years old. Had I been thin skinned I would have never done and achieved all I have done and achieved and I would likely have spent my life working for others and still be working for others.

I brought it up because recently someone else brought up their massive popularity, and when compared they had 32 people in their friends list and if I remember right I had 113. Since my popularity, or lack thereof, has been brought up it would only be natural to tell the truth about it ... like how you have 57 people in your friends list and I have 115 in mine. That is slightly more than twice your number, which surprises me since I am such a mean horrible rude obnoxious despicable human being that no one should ever like, while at the same time being such the Saint you are you should have a thousand or more friends in your list, especially since you have been a member here for over one year longer than I have and as your post count shows, you have said more here.

Why is that not the case? Could it possibly be because what you enjoy doing the most is lying in the tall grass like a viper just waiting to strike at someone who is liked rather than helping people and making friends?

If you have always trolled people the way you have been trolling me it's a wonder that you have so much as a single friend in your friends list.

Since I am positive that you did not look through my friends list I am sure that you could not have noticed the name
ArjanGreenhouseseeds in my list. While I have not been overly kind to Arjan, after saying that a few of his strains are good values for the dollar he sent a thank you PM and a friends request. Not seeing his name I know you also did not notice lovepotionman in my list either. That is Reeferman. Neither hang around here much, both will just visit and lurk some, but when he spotted me here he sent a friend's request too. Not that I am claiming that we are pals but we have both been members of several sites together over the years and have exchanged a number of messages and when he was still in Canada, going back as far as his Prairie Fire Seeds days, I would at times call to ask about strains and would end up talking with him.

Being the insufferable, intolerable, detestable, unbearable, abhorrent, abominable human being that you desperately attempt to portray me as being don't you find it odd that so many people, including those two, especially Arjan since I have not been overly kind to him, would send me friends requests?

Possibly, just possibly some people appreciate someone who is blunt and who calls a spade a spade and who is honest and who provides helpful factual information more than they like some candy-coating kiss ass who doesn't know his asshole from his ear-holes when it comes to genetics or growing or who is frightened to tell the truth out of fear that some troll like you will start riding their back they way you have ridden my back.

I thought that posting pm's was against forum rules. :-?

Serapis · Apr 13, 2011

You are acting like a whiny little girl who will not stop until she gets her way.

THAT, has me in stitches.... lol.....

You still don't get it....

have a nice Day BT..

Serapis · Apr 13, 2011

And the PM he quoted was in reference to ANOTHER thread that he has found himself arguing with others in.... :roll:

doc111 said:
I thought that posting pm's was against forum rules.

Brick Top · Apr 13, 2011

doc111 said:
I thought that posting pm's was against forum rules.

It does not say who they were from. The senders are still anonymous, no privacy was broken, no identities were revealed, were they?

Brick Top · Apr 13, 2011

Serapis said:
THAT, has me in stitches.... lol.....

You still don't get it....

have a nice Day BT..

You didn't take your own clue, did you?

And unlike Uncle Ben' thread you did not stop even though your continual trolling, where you simply repeat your bitching, pissing and moaning, has been way over the top .. but you did not stop your trolling of me, have you?

When I did that in UB's topping thread, I was told to knock it off, I made my point already.....

So ... if I now say that you have made your point in regards to me and that it is time to knock it off, you will? I mean, you keep going on and on and on about me and me alone so it is not as if you are being topical. You are acting like a whiny little girl who will not stop until she gets her way.

Will you be taking your own clue? It applies equally if not more to you than it does to me. I was responding to topical messages and all you have done is troll me and bitch, piss and moan about me.

For a person who lives in a glass house you sure love to throw rocks.

Your trolling has made your point very clear so now you can knock it off. But will you?

Serapis · Apr 13, 2011

No one is trolling you BT, you just don;t know when to shut up....

Brick Top said:
You didn't take your own clue, did you?

And unlike Uncle Ben' thread you did not stop even though your continual trolling, where you simply repeat your bitching, pissing and moaning, has been way over the top .. but you did not stop your trolling of me, have you?

Your trolling has made your point very clear so now you can knock it off. But will you?

doc111 · Apr 13, 2011

Brick Top said:
It does not say who they were from. The senders are still anonymous, no privacy was broken, no identities were revealed, were they?

I'm not so sure that makes a difference. Posting pm's is still bad form even if you "technically" didn't violate anybody's privacy. Your intent may not have been malicious but I've seen numerous members here banned for doing it with no warning. Just a friendly caution. ;-)

doc111 · Apr 13, 2011

Brick Top said:
You didn't take your own clue, did you?

And unlike Uncle Ben' thread you did not stop even though your continual trolling, where you simply repeat your bitching, pissing and moaning, has been way over the top .. but you did not stop your trolling of me, have you?

Your trolling has made your point very clear so now you can knock it off. But will you?

All you have to do is ignore the "trolling" :roll:

and not respond and I bet it stops.

wil2279 · Apr 13, 2011

Brick Top said:
You didn't take your own clue, did you?

And unlike Uncle Ben' thread you did not stop even though your continual trolling, where you simply repeat your bitching, pissing and moaning, has been way over the top .. but you did not stop your trolling of me, have you?

Your trolling has made your point very clear so now you can knock it off. But will you?

sorry to high-jack this thread for a second but I have no choice.

Hey Brick Top, I have a question I needed to ask you asap. I tried to send you a private message but it said you weren't recieving private messages. Could you plese get back with me asap? really need you opinion of my situation.

Illumination · Apr 14, 2011

Serapis, Doc I really like both you guys and have learned from you as well. As BT shared with you I am very thankful to him for all the help he has given me. Part of what he quoted from pm's was written by me and was heartfelt and this guy has answered every question I have ever asked him quickly and accurately and every time I listened to him I benefited greatly. He has never ever ignored my request for help and it has been very many times. Sure he's an ornery ol' fart but he will help anyone who asks and won't sell them a line of crap.

in no way am I taking sides in this as I like you all. But give the dude some respect and I bet he gives it back.

One Love,

Namaste' :leaf:

cody2689 · Apr 14, 2011

Nirvana is the only company I have bought from. All 20 seeds I purchased germinated and the plants are looking good

Dont listen to this bullshit.. because thats exactly what it is.

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