Don't legalize Weed!

The black market works wonders for big brother,,,if not ,why then do they lump weed in with other drugs and market it as a danger to grow and that its a ghetto problem promoting gun crime......because the minut they can get just one story that 1 person died of pot overdose(choked on coockie)or pot related shootings they can keep up the facade of it bieng something bad and mysterious and something ..lets say cultural....they all lie, they are to the most part brainwashed sheeple full of sheeple shit!..........and they believe they are superior than us,,if they didnt then why try cram thier morals down our/my throut......no better than the gihad squads of the middle east....or the morality cops of the crusades....FUCK THE POLITICAL RIGHT LEFT AND ALL OF-EM INBATWEEN........globalist scum!

Broccoli Rob said:

Truesay....However, weed will never be legalized because the U.S. government has no way to tax you if you grow your own. You cant grow your own cigarettes and you cant make your own beer....well I suppose you could but most wouldnt. Whats the incentive for them to legalize it? They would actually lose money on that.

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they would gain money - they can stop paying for patrol and incarceration and start raking in tax money just like they do with cigs and alcohol. huge taxes and licensing fees. you can grow your own cigs and brew you own beer, just not for profit unless you are licensed by the state.

desert dude said:

Decriminalization is a terrible idea.

It preserves the worst of the drug war while only marginally benefiting oridnary citizens, and it distracts from the most important issue for citizens, the simple freedom of owning your own body. If you can be fined and hassled for ingesting a harmless substance, then you have no freedom at all.

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Agree...

There will always be trade but we should be free to grow our own without punishment.

This Money First Medical effort is getting an federal enema.. Just look at Oaksterdam U..

i think that many people still think of pot like crack or heroin - as a dangerous substance with addictive potential which should never be in the presence of the innocent.. then when we put the facts in front of them they will say 'no thank you' and walk away..

once more people start to see cannabis as a useful and harmless crop - then we will see proper regulated trade everywhere..

i am just saying - we cannot have the oppression and the fear without the lies - there is no logical reason not to regulate cannabis..

free the weed for everyone...its a plant...grow it, sell it, smoke it, fuck it....

only pepole who want to make $$$ want it regulated and controlled by the government

colonuggs said:

free the weed for everyone...its a plant...grow it, sell it, smoke it, fuck it....

only pepole who want to make $$$ want it regulated and controlled by the government

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there is no other way to do it.. there are no goods that can not be subject to the laws of any given country - it is a commodity like any other.. i do not want to make money from pot - i want to be free to grow and to buy and to see everyone else do the same without being raped by the system..

ford442 said:

i think that many people still think of pot like crack or heroin - as a dangerous substance with addictive potential which should never be in the presence of the innocent.. then when we put the facts in front of them they will say 'no thank you' and walk away..

once more people start to see cannabis as a useful and harmless crop - then we will see proper regulated trade everywhere..

i am just saying - we cannot have the oppression and the fear without the lies - there is no logical reason not to regulate cannabis..

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Oh, I'm sure there are complex dynamics.


I had a clever paragraph too.

So what's new here? Seems same-old.

i am hopeful since there are like 10 states with regulation on the ballot this year!! that is a lot more support in my mind.. and if even one or two of these states passes it then there will some great things happening next year - proper scientific studies - proper examples of regulation working well in the US..!

NoizeForMasses said:

In my honest opinion, I say we shouldn't legalize, BUT
DECRIMINALIZE. Think about all the tobacco companies that would get involved and turn something so harmless into something so harmful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58kGCQLwxU

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I like the Oregon model OMMP Card program or the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program..gives the patients and the growers enough room to cultivate and medicate with very little official interference, getting your card is easy as long as you have a qualifying condition, mine is chronic back pain due to an old injury, got doctors note and then saw the doctor athttp://www.ommpcard.com
in Eugene OR area and also down in Ashland too. As for legal vs non legal, these are all steps along a longer road to freedom, i agree that if it is fully legal yeah the tobacco or liqour companies could get involved and ruin it

i think that Marlborro and Camel can make all the crap processed weed they want - i just won't smoke it and neither will you.. but, maybe if it gets people off of tobacco then more power to them..!

ford442 said:

i am hopeful since there are like 10 states with regulation on the ballot this year!! that is a lot more support in my mind.. and if even one or two of these states passes it then there will some great things happening next year - proper scientific studies - proper examples of regulation working well in the US..!

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Yep, Slowly it will equalize out. I guess what we are gaining is cultural normalization?

Heh.. we sure won't have a thing if Mitt Romney gets in office.. God's wrath and the belief the earth is 5000 years old are required to be a mormon.

Magic Underware too.. My bad.

Everyone is goofy. It's just what brand of goofy is considered correct.

NoizeForMasses said:

In my honest opinion, I say we shouldn't legalize, BUT
DECRIMINALIZE. Think about all the tobacco companies that would get involved and turn something so harmless into something so harmful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58kGCQLwxU

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Never thought about it like that,, and I do agree with you on some points,, but, I still think it should be legalized because, 1) Prison BUDgets will dramatically decrease, and a lot of the homies will get out. 2) Hemp can be used as a cheap and natural resource for countless things, 3) Reason 1 and 2 combined will ultimately lead to America getting out of debt, and REALLY become the greatest country in the world. 4) Not to mention the medicinal purposes for all 50 states instead of just 13 or 14. 5) Lastly (and certainly least important in my book) it will (might) cripple the Mexican Drug Cartel, and other Country's would follow suit and Legalize it as well.

Decriminalization is the way to grow.

Think about the tax, shit they'll put in it, and on top of that, dealers will be out of business. If legal.

If it's decriminalized, to the point where it's as harmfull as walking around with poison ivy in a bag.

If a cop catches you selling poison ivy. Would you get busted? No.. Why not? It's a plant isn't it!!!!
Have you smoked poison ivy? If you got high from it, would they make it illegal?

Stop being dumb. We just want it to be left alone!! Legalizing would just put it in the governments hand. And they will screw you.
Just like they do with everything else..

Nothingreallymatters said:

Decriminalization is the way to grow.

Think about the tax, shit they'll put in it, and on top of that, dealers will be out of business. If legal.

If it's decriminalized, to the point where it's as harmfull as walking around with poison ivy in a bag.

If a cop catches you selling poison ivy. Would you get busted? No.. Why not? It's a plant isn't it!!!!
Have you smoked poison ivy? If you got high from it, would they make it illegal?

Stop being dumb. We just want it to be left alone!! Legalizing would just put it in the governments hand. And they will screw you.
Just like they do with everything else..

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The government already has their 'hand in it'. It's a naturally occuring plant that has many wonderful medical benefits, and SHOULD NOT be controlled by the government or big pharma (even though the U.S. Government has at least one patent on it).

If it is made legal once and for all that will take away not only the criminal and trafficking side, but also ability for big pharma to do much more harm. By giving the *people* the ability to make thier OWN choice about whether they will use it or not, is true freedom. Decrim is not enough. Aloe Vera is a natural plant with sunburn soothing properties but no law exists saying you cannot make your own ointment from it or goto the pharmacy and buy a bottle of it that pharma made. That's what real choices are all about...YOU making the decision what YOU are going to do to YOUR body. Hemp also needs to be legalized, like right now.

And the only people I have seen whining about legalization are either dealers or dispensary owners, because they have the most to lose...their market. C'est la vie

but dispensary owners should be the connoisseur coffee house owners of tomorrow!
i would love recreational use to come out into the light and that really needs there to be stores and not just roaming thieves and pedophiles.. once there are stores then anyone who was afraid to smoke before can choose to discreetly and freely at their own discretion.. i imagine that there are a lot of people who would love a joint, but they don't want to go down to the local tattooed mexican for a shitty dime bag and risk getting caught, etc.. and once there are stores then we can have expert growers growing as much as they can legally for sale without fear.. pretty soon the price will drop, the cartels will disappear, and weed will no longer be worth breaking into a person's home to steal..

desert dude said:

Decriminalization is a terrible idea.

It preserves the worst of the drug war while only marginally benefiting oridnary citizens, and it distracts from the most important issue for citizens, the simple freedom of owning your own body. If you can be fined and hassled for ingesting a harmless substance, then you have no freedom at all.

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lol thats the reason all that bullshit in cali just happened. as long as they decrim in states and not legalize on a federal level the feds can always overrule the state because by fed law cannabis is illegal and probably always will be.

I am for people growing for profit until i see a hoard of automatic weaponry in their homes..

i don't think that anyone should have ever lost their lives over weed.. my theory is that if we do it right then no one will need to die..
you cannot protect a criminal enterprise with brutal firepower, it is too dangerous.. the very existence of those militia style weapons is illegal for a reason..

Let me ask this.

If the Federal government can regulate any exchange of cannabis , and it can, what if the state allows growing for personal consumption only.

Is that the way to crack open the tomb of cannabis prohibition?

Is the true path and the light to follow to legalize without commerce language first?

I mean can the feds really stop a person who has medical in California for example from growing it? Will that hold true for everyone if it is not commercial?

Think about that!

Profit Motive is not legalization!

ford442 said:

i don't think that anyone should have ever lost their lives over weed.. my theory is that if we do it right then no one will need to die..
you cannot protect a criminal enterprise with brutal firepower, it is too dangerous.. the very existence of those militia style weapons is illegal for a reason..

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Well they have. If it's decriminalized then no one would have to brake down a door and kill someone just for there crop in the basement.
Because it will be everywhere!!! Everyone will grow it.
And I hate to break it to ya buddy but we have been using brutal firepower to get what we want since the beginnin of time, it's in human nature. Not everyone can smoke a bowl and give peace a chance