Nothingreallymatters
New Member
If the USA let's you grow cannabis (which is looked at as a very hard drug) then what's from stopping everyone else from not puttin a meth lab in there house? Hey, it's "medicine" isn't it?
Don't legalize Weed!
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If the USA let's you grow cannabis (which is looked at as a very hard drug) then what's from stopping everyone else from not puttin a meth lab in there house? Hey, it's "medicine" isn't it?
ford442
Well-Known Member
what about in the inner city? people will just grow it and give it away out of the goodness of their own hearts? there will still be gangs and street dealers involved i guarantee - just like with alcohol prohibition - we saw that the big problems are the organized crime and the cops themselves during Al Capone's day.. i think that we need weed stores just like we need liquor stores..
ford442
Well-Known Member
i personally draw a big distinction between pot and meth.. meth is physically addictive, lethal, dangerous to produce and causes psychosis..
you will find very few uses for medical methamphetamine in today's pharmacology and there will never be a majority that says recreational meth should be legal..
you will find very few uses for medical methamphetamine in today's pharmacology and there will never be a majority that says recreational meth should be legal..
Ernst
Well-Known Member
The base or shall I say the foundation of Liberty is Freedom.
The arguments here have the gravity of profit motive. Please take a moment to reread the replys.
So what if Innercity people grow weed and it is everywhere.
I know Richard Lee was worried about that since what good is having a Store if weed if free but yet pushing "decrim" or some sort of half-way measures FAIL all the TIME!@!
wake up bitches!
The arguments here have the gravity of profit motive. Please take a moment to reread the replys.
So what if Innercity people grow weed and it is everywhere.
I know Richard Lee was worried about that since what good is having a Store if weed if free but yet pushing "decrim" or some sort of half-way measures FAIL all the TIME!@!
wake up bitches!
ford442
Well-Known Member
i am just saying that out here in the rural areas we could grow lots of dope, but it is harder in the city to have any kind of patch of land - who is going to build hundreds of indoor grows just to give it away? everyone needs a way to get access to marijuana and i think it should be as safe as possible.. we want to put a good face on legalization for the rest of the world right?
ford442
Well-Known Member
i personally would not care if there were no restrictions at all.. i wish that it grew out of every crack in the pavement and that 5 year olds played with it like candy.. i just keep trying to sell a form a legalization that everyone will vote for - even grandpa Osmond..
Ernst
Well-Known Member
Dude.. Look at what is on the Ballot for Weed in California because of trying to bend to every political wish. NOTHING!
Cannabis Liberty begins with Cannabis Freedom for all! We cannot compromise before we fight! Think about it..
Would The Germans and the Allies have talked about not fighting on D-Day?
We are Wimps friend.. Fools to the Nth-Degree!
Cannabis Liberty begins with Cannabis Freedom for all! We cannot compromise before we fight! Think about it..
Would The Germans and the Allies have talked about not fighting on D-Day?
We are Wimps friend.. Fools to the Nth-Degree!
Ernst
Well-Known Member
No I am not what you say.
I have NEVER been in favor of Decrim. I have kissed up-to the efforts -that be but even in my International-Cannbis.com days I challenged prop-19 so much so I was Persona non grata.
I have lent support to the most likely to succeed but look now!!!! Who is coming to our aid in FAILURE for 2012?
No One if we don't.. Get it?
Ernst
Well-Known Member
Dude?
What is your point in relatoionship to the conversation? Are you talking about cannabis as in the plant grows under the sun and provides us weed if left alone free or are you "ass-king" if your stash you pimp is discount because it sucks ass?
Nothingreallymatters
New Member
I'd actually have to say a little bit of both..
Ass king for sure because it does suck that the government wants to take even more money away from Americans (if it's legal)
I want it to be free as in; you can walk down the street smokin a blunt and not get you're ass cracked. Because you sure as fuck can with a cigarette? IF it's legal the taxes will go up, and it will not be free. We are all modern slaves. The more you say we want, the more the government will say no, then, when we least expect it, it will (maybe) be legal, and screw us over. They'll turn around and say, hey you asked for it.
When we voted for mj to be legal. We won!!! 56% on our side!!! You know what the government said? No, still no. And that was it. You call that freedom?
MacGuyver4.2.0
Well-Known Member
Ernst, allow me to step in and layeth the smack down. *CRACK*
Nothingreallymatters- you are aptly named. Nothing you have posted in this thread is relevant or on topic.
Since YOU are the newbie here (April 2012) maybe you should just chill, pull up a chair and you just might learn something.
Some History for you, since you obviously were not taught any (or remember it).
Alcohol prohibition was a mistake, plain and simple. The people knew it, AND the Government knew it. But they did it anyway. Gov. employees by and far, are not that bright.
As prohibition DRAGGED ON, crime increased, in the form of bootleggers and organized crime.
The Treasury Dept. was assigned a task- stamp out the bootleggers and organized crime links, as they were NOT helping the nation, only themselves.
BOOM! End of Alcohol prohibition and also the end of a lot (but not all) organized crime.
Now- consenting adults can LEGALLY drink alcohol and millions of them do. Unfortunately a lot of them only have a 2 digit I.Q. and drink and drive- killing over 2.2 million people a year worldwide.(from the W.H.O. World Health Org database)
THE SAME prohibition scenario is going to play out with Marijuana and already is.
Marijuana is still ILLEGAL by Federal law except for those few Medical patients the Government actually still supplies MMJ for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7r8NeKuzt8
The PEOPLE are calling for the END of prohibition on Marijuana (just like they did with alcohol).
Cartels, organized crime and others are making huge profits from something that is still banned by the government for the general public. (just like alcohol was)
The DRUG WAR is a dismal failure and is still wasting of millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars. (Alcohol prohibition was also a dismal failure)
The BIG difference between the 2?
Alcohol related deaths continue to mount (again, 2.2 million every year and climbing)
Marijuana deaths? I cannot find any. If you can produce real coroner records that clearly show Marijuana use, misuse or overuse as the finite cause of death we'd all love to see it. Take your time.
Marijuana has multiple medicinal properties and new evidence points to proven anti-cancer properties as well.
SO, you say the government is going to F%$! up Marijuana and ruin it for everyone? Wrong answer.
Just like alcohol, one WILL be able to buy Marijuana from an authorized merchant, store or distributor.
Just like alcohol, one will pay tax on it (yes that will happen)
BUT- just like alcohol, I WILL CHOOSE WHETHER I BUY OR PRODUCE MY OWN.
The same rule applies to *gasp* alcohol today! You can buy it from the store (and pay a tax)
OR one can brew or vint their own beer and wines AT HOME. (yes, Virginia, without paying a TAX! Without going to JAIL!)
Example: The B.A.T.F (A Federal agency) states that one can produce for their OWN PERSONAL USE up to 100 gallons of wine per legal adult without having a liquor license or paying taxes on it.
http://ttb.gov/faqs/genalcohol.shtml
27Alcohol, Tobacco Products and Firearms12006-04-012006-04-01false24.75Section 24.75Alcohol, Tobacco Products and FirearmsALCOHOL AND TOBACCO TAX AND TRADE BUREAU, DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURYLIQUORSWINEAdministrative and Miscellaneous ProvisionsTax Exempt Wine§ 24.75Wine for personal or family use.
(a) General. Any adult may, without payment of tax, produce wine for personal or family use and not for sale.
(b) Quantity. The aggregate amount of wine that may be produced exempt from tax with respect to any household may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year for a household in which two or more adults reside, or
(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult residing in the household.
(c) Definition of an adult. For the purposes of this section, an adult is any individual who is 18 years of age or older. However, if the locality in which the household is located has established by law a greater minimum age at which wine may be sold to individuals, the term “adult” will mean an individual who has attained that age.
(d) Proprietors of bonded wine premises. Any adult, defined in § 24.75(c), who operates a bonded wine premises as an individual owner or in partnership with others, may produce wine and remove it from the bonded wine premises free of tax for personal or family use, subject to the limitations in § 24.75(b).
(e) Limitation. This exemption should not in any manner be construed as authorizing the production of wine in violation of applicable State or local law. Except as provided in § 24.75(d), this exemption does not otherwise apply to partnerships, corporations, or associations.
(f) Removal. Wine produced under this section may be removed from the premises where made for personal or family use including use at organized affairs, exhibitions or competitions, such as home winemaker's contests, tastings or judgings, but may not under any circumstances be sold or offered for sale. The proprietor of a bonded wine premises shall pay the tax on any wine removed for personal or family use in excess of the limitations provided in this section and shall also enter all quantities removed for personal or family use on TTB F 5120.17, Report of Bonded Wine Premises Operations. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1331, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5042))
(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 1512-0216)[T.D. ATF-299, 55 FR 24989, June 19, 1991, as amended by T.D. ATF-338, 58 FR 19064, Apr. 12, 1993; T.D. ATF-344, 58 FR 40354, July 28, 1993]
Again ... JUST LIKE ALCOHOL One will soon be able to grow their own Marijuana for PERSONAL USE without paying a tax.
DO you think for even ONE MOMENT the government doesn't tax 'personal use' beer and wines because they are nice? They wanted to do something for the people?
NO. They DO NOT TAX it because the smart people stood up & told the government to go fuck themselves and their unjust taxes. Not to mention it would be unconstitutional.
Same thing is going to apply for legalized personal use Marijuana. And people just like ME are going to make sure of it.
So- the argument about the government taxing, ruining and destroying Marijuana’s future holds no merit, since the SMART people are standing up and laying the smack down!
Nothingreallymatters- you are aptly named. Nothing you have posted in this thread is relevant or on topic.
Since YOU are the newbie here (April 2012) maybe you should just chill, pull up a chair and you just might learn something.
Some History for you, since you obviously were not taught any (or remember it).
Alcohol prohibition was a mistake, plain and simple. The people knew it, AND the Government knew it. But they did it anyway. Gov. employees by and far, are not that bright.
As prohibition DRAGGED ON, crime increased, in the form of bootleggers and organized crime.
The Treasury Dept. was assigned a task- stamp out the bootleggers and organized crime links, as they were NOT helping the nation, only themselves.
BOOM! End of Alcohol prohibition and also the end of a lot (but not all) organized crime.
Now- consenting adults can LEGALLY drink alcohol and millions of them do. Unfortunately a lot of them only have a 2 digit I.Q. and drink and drive- killing over 2.2 million people a year worldwide.(from the W.H.O. World Health Org database)
THE SAME prohibition scenario is going to play out with Marijuana and already is.
Marijuana is still ILLEGAL by Federal law except for those few Medical patients the Government actually still supplies MMJ for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7r8NeKuzt8
The PEOPLE are calling for the END of prohibition on Marijuana (just like they did with alcohol).
Cartels, organized crime and others are making huge profits from something that is still banned by the government for the general public. (just like alcohol was)
The DRUG WAR is a dismal failure and is still wasting of millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars. (Alcohol prohibition was also a dismal failure)
The BIG difference between the 2?
Alcohol related deaths continue to mount (again, 2.2 million every year and climbing)
Marijuana deaths? I cannot find any. If you can produce real coroner records that clearly show Marijuana use, misuse or overuse as the finite cause of death we'd all love to see it. Take your time.
Marijuana has multiple medicinal properties and new evidence points to proven anti-cancer properties as well.
SO, you say the government is going to F%$! up Marijuana and ruin it for everyone? Wrong answer.
Just like alcohol, one WILL be able to buy Marijuana from an authorized merchant, store or distributor.
Just like alcohol, one will pay tax on it (yes that will happen)
BUT- just like alcohol, I WILL CHOOSE WHETHER I BUY OR PRODUCE MY OWN.
The same rule applies to *gasp* alcohol today! You can buy it from the store (and pay a tax)
OR one can brew or vint their own beer and wines AT HOME. (yes, Virginia, without paying a TAX! Without going to JAIL!)
Example: The B.A.T.F (A Federal agency) states that one can produce for their OWN PERSONAL USE up to 100 gallons of wine per legal adult without having a liquor license or paying taxes on it.
http://ttb.gov/faqs/genalcohol.shtml
27Alcohol, Tobacco Products and Firearms12006-04-012006-04-01false24.75Section 24.75Alcohol, Tobacco Products and FirearmsALCOHOL AND TOBACCO TAX AND TRADE BUREAU, DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURYLIQUORSWINEAdministrative and Miscellaneous ProvisionsTax Exempt Wine§ 24.75Wine for personal or family use.
(a) General. Any adult may, without payment of tax, produce wine for personal or family use and not for sale.
(b) Quantity. The aggregate amount of wine that may be produced exempt from tax with respect to any household may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year for a household in which two or more adults reside, or
(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult residing in the household.
(c) Definition of an adult. For the purposes of this section, an adult is any individual who is 18 years of age or older. However, if the locality in which the household is located has established by law a greater minimum age at which wine may be sold to individuals, the term “adult” will mean an individual who has attained that age.
(d) Proprietors of bonded wine premises. Any adult, defined in § 24.75(c), who operates a bonded wine premises as an individual owner or in partnership with others, may produce wine and remove it from the bonded wine premises free of tax for personal or family use, subject to the limitations in § 24.75(b).
(e) Limitation. This exemption should not in any manner be construed as authorizing the production of wine in violation of applicable State or local law. Except as provided in § 24.75(d), this exemption does not otherwise apply to partnerships, corporations, or associations.
(f) Removal. Wine produced under this section may be removed from the premises where made for personal or family use including use at organized affairs, exhibitions or competitions, such as home winemaker's contests, tastings or judgings, but may not under any circumstances be sold or offered for sale. The proprietor of a bonded wine premises shall pay the tax on any wine removed for personal or family use in excess of the limitations provided in this section and shall also enter all quantities removed for personal or family use on TTB F 5120.17, Report of Bonded Wine Premises Operations. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1331, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5042))
(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 1512-0216)[T.D. ATF-299, 55 FR 24989, June 19, 1991, as amended by T.D. ATF-338, 58 FR 19064, Apr. 12, 1993; T.D. ATF-344, 58 FR 40354, July 28, 1993]
Again ... JUST LIKE ALCOHOL One will soon be able to grow their own Marijuana for PERSONAL USE without paying a tax.
DO you think for even ONE MOMENT the government doesn't tax 'personal use' beer and wines because they are nice? They wanted to do something for the people?
NO. They DO NOT TAX it because the smart people stood up & told the government to go fuck themselves and their unjust taxes. Not to mention it would be unconstitutional.
Same thing is going to apply for legalized personal use Marijuana. And people just like ME are going to make sure of it.
So- the argument about the government taxing, ruining and destroying Marijuana’s future holds no merit, since the SMART people are standing up and laying the smack down!
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
Don't legalize it!
Nothingreallymatters
New Member
Ernst, allow me to step in and layeth the smack down. *CRACK*
Nothingreallymatters- you are aptly named. Nothing you have posted in this thread is relevant or on topic.
Since YOU are the newbie here (April 2012) maybe you should just chill, pull up a chair and you just might learn something.
Some History for you, since you obviously were not taught any (or remember it).
Alcohol prohibition was a mistake, plain and simple. The people knew it, AND the Government knew it. But they did it anyway. Gov. employees by and far, are not that bright.
As prohibition DRAGGED ON, crime increased, in the form of bootleggers and organized crime.
The Treasury Dept. was assigned a task- stamp out the bootleggers and organized crime links, as they were NOT helping the nation, only themselves.
BOOM! End of Alcohol prohibition and also the end of a lot (but not all) organized crime.
Now- consenting adults can LEGALLY drink alcohol and millions of them do. Unfortunately a lot of them only have a 2 digit I.Q. and drink and drive- killing over 2.2 million people a year worldwide.(from the W.H.O. World Health Org database)
THE SAME prohibition scenario is going to play out with Marijuana and already is.
Marijuana is still ILLEGAL by Federal law except for those few Medical patients the Government actually still supplies MMJ for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7r8NeKuzt8
The PEOPLE are calling for the END of prohibition on Marijuana (just like they did with alcohol).
Cartels, organized crime and others are making huge profits from something that is still banned by the government for the general public. (just like alcohol was)
The DRUG WAR is a dismal failure and is still wasting of millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars. (Alcohol prohibition was also a dismal failure)
The BIG difference between the 2?
Alcohol related deaths continue to mount (again, 2.2 million every year and climbing)
Marijuana deaths? I cannot find any. If you can produce real coroner records that clearly show Marijuana use, misuse or overuse as the finite cause of death we'd all love to see it. Take your time.
Marijuana has multiple medicinal properties and new evidence points to proven anti-cancer properties as well.
SO, you say the government is going to F%$! up Marijuana and ruin it for everyone? Wrong answer.
Just like alcohol, one WILL be able to buy Marijuana from an authorized merchant, store or distributor.
Just like alcohol, one will pay tax on it (yes that will happen)
BUT- just like alcohol, I WILL CHOOSE WHETHER I BUY OR PRODUCE MY OWN.
The same rule applies to *gasp* alcohol today! You can buy it from the store (and pay a tax)
OR one can brew or vint their own beer and wines AT HOME. (yes, Virginia, without paying a TAX! Without going to JAIL!)
Example: The B.A.T.F (A Federal agency) states that one can produce for their OWN PERSONAL USE up to 100 gallons of wine per legal adult without having a liquor license or paying taxes on it.
http://ttb.gov/faqs/genalcohol.shtml
27Alcohol, Tobacco Products and Firearms12006-04-012006-04-01false24.75Section 24.75Alcohol, Tobacco Products and FirearmsALCOHOL AND TOBACCO TAX AND TRADE BUREAU, DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURYLIQUORSWINEAdministrative and Miscellaneous ProvisionsTax Exempt Wine§ 24.75Wine for personal or family use.
(a) General. Any adult may, without payment of tax, produce wine for personal or family use and not for sale.
(b) Quantity. The aggregate amount of wine that may be produced exempt from tax with respect to any household may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year for a household in which two or more adults reside, or
(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult residing in the household.
(c) Definition of an adult. For the purposes of this section, an adult is any individual who is 18 years of age or older. However, if the locality in which the household is located has established by law a greater minimum age at which wine may be sold to individuals, the term “adult” will mean an individual who has attained that age.
(d) Proprietors of bonded wine premises. Any adult, defined in § 24.75(c), who operates a bonded wine premises as an individual owner or in partnership with others, may produce wine and remove it from the bonded wine premises free of tax for personal or family use, subject to the limitations in § 24.75(b).
(e) Limitation. This exemption should not in any manner be construed as authorizing the production of wine in violation of applicable State or local law. Except as provided in § 24.75(d), this exemption does not otherwise apply to partnerships, corporations, or associations.
(f) Removal. Wine produced under this section may be removed from the premises where made for personal or family use including use at organized affairs, exhibitions or competitions, such as home winemaker's contests, tastings or judgings, but may not under any circumstances be sold or offered for sale. The proprietor of a bonded wine premises shall pay the tax on any wine removed for personal or family use in excess of the limitations provided in this section and shall also enter all quantities removed for personal or family use on TTB F 5120.17, Report of Bonded Wine Premises Operations. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1331, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5042))
(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 1512-0216)[T.D. ATF-299, 55 FR 24989, June 19, 1991, as amended by T.D. ATF-338, 58 FR 19064, Apr. 12, 1993; T.D. ATF-344, 58 FR 40354, July 28, 1993]
Again ... JUST LIKE ALCOHOL One will soon be able to grow their own Marijuana for PERSONAL USE without paying a tax.
DO you think for even ONE MOMENT the government doesn't tax 'personal use' beer and wines because they are nice? They wanted to do something for the people?
NO. They DO NOT TAX it because the smart people stood up & told the government to go fuck themselves and their unjust taxes. Not to mention it would be unconstitutional.
Same thing is going to apply for legalized personal use Marijuana. And people just like ME are going to make sure of it.
So- the argument about the government taxing, ruining and destroying Marijuana’s future holds no merit, since the SMART people are standing up and laying the smack down!
I'm not even reading that book on "what you say makes you better then me"
I simply commented on this thread why I don't want it legal. Simply put, I want it to be decriminalized to the point where everyone just shuts the fuck up about it. And no one gets it trouble.
Nothingreallymatters
New Member
Thank you!!!!!
MacGuyver4.2.0
Well-Known Member
None of us here are 'better' than anyone else. Some of us are better informed, however.
Your statements of 'decrim' sound just like something a dealer would say... but wishing and wanting do not make things happen- doing does.
Nobody is stopping you from decriminalizing Marijuana, do your part and get active. Knock yourself out.
Remember that there are organized, intelligent people working at this very moment to make it LEGAL for everyone, everywhere, much to the dismay of the government, cartels, dealers and dispensaries.
Ernst
Well-Known Member
All arguing aside.
If we all will stand together and get the right to have, use and grow cannabis first we may be able to have some sort of decrim.
But we cannot have anything if we will not fight for individual rights over the profit-motive
We have all these failed attempts and all of them are trying to tell the Federal Government that we can sell and make money on cannabis. That is what is killing our freedom.
Rights for people first to have, consume and grow without commercial Profit-Motive language!
That is what moves us forward. That is what is possible under constatutional law.
If we all will stand together and get the right to have, use and grow cannabis first we may be able to have some sort of decrim.
But we cannot have anything if we will not fight for individual rights over the profit-motive
We have all these failed attempts and all of them are trying to tell the Federal Government that we can sell and make money on cannabis. That is what is killing our freedom.
Rights for people first to have, consume and grow without commercial Profit-Motive language!
That is what moves us forward. That is what is possible under constatutional law.
Nothingreallymatters
New Member
Like a said before: we are modern slaves. We are modern slaves to money. And without money in America. There would be nothing (simply put)
We cannot wave somethin in the governments face and not mention money. Because that is what they thrive apon!!
That's all they want to hear. America is in debt. I think it's like 80 trillion? And legalizing cannabis would only bring us like 700 million annually. That's why they don't care! Because it's just a fraction of a penny. They want more..
