Does this look ok for my first time putting my grow tent up??

Flowki · Oct 12, 2018

Smithy1 said:
Hey Lucky Luke, Quick question I've started to germ my beans with paper towel method, Thing is when taproot appears can I drop them straight in coco even though they have no nutrients won't it die? Or do they need to be potted with soil with a little nutrients in or a little mix of soil and coco? I'm Confused, Thing is I only have coco at hand no soil at all I've got all the nutes but surely it will be to young for them to get them.

Coco is very good, some people obviously struggle with it but over all it's far easier than organic soil growing to get the most out of. It yields more and the quality is not far behind organic as you can partly add organic to it (I don't recommend you do that yet).

I don't know what nutes you have but I'd suggest putting them aside and buying some canna coco A+B. Use that and only that for your first run while you learn more about feeding/ph etc etc, although you may never want to stop using cana, it's not bad for a bottled nute. With 4 plants in a 4x4 you will get upward of 15oz if everything else is in check. Ph is taken care of, all you need worry about is how often you want to feed. Manual watering every other day is a good compromise between having a life and still getting good yield.. while it also stops the development of fungus gnats.

Seedlings will be ok for the first few days with tap water, after that give them 1/4 strength for first feed or two, if no issues half strength until you see a few decent leaves, one more feed after that to be sure, then full strength. That is, if using cana A+B. They should be on full strength by the 3week mark for sure. The first week or even two from seed barely counts as they just pop the surface and put out some roots o0. So don't count that toward your total veg time, you want at least 4 decent weeks veg from then, given your pot count.

Always water with some run off to stop build ups, not a crazy amount of run off, stop feeding when they start dripping from the bottom. If it's pouring out it's too much.

Smithy1 · Oct 12, 2018

Flowki said:
Coco is very good, some people obviously struggle with it but over all it's far easier than organic soil growing to get the most out of. It yields more and the quality is not far behind organic as you can partly add organic to it (I don't recommend you do that yet).

I don't know what nutes you have but I'd suggest putting them aside and buying some canna coco A+B. Use that and only that for your first run while you learn more about feeding/ph etc etc, although you may never want to stop using cana, it's not bad for a bottled nute. With 4 plants in a 4x4 you will get upward of 15oz if everything else is in check. Ph is taken care of, all you need worry about is how often you want to feed. Manual watering every other day is a good compromise between having a life and still getting good yield.. while it also stops the development of fungus gnats.

Seedlings will be ok for the first few days with tap water, after that give them 1/4 strength for first feed or two, if no issues half strength until you see a few decent leaves, one more feed after that to be sure, then full strength. That is, if using cana A+B. They should be on full strength by the 3week mark for sure. The first week or even two from seed barely counts as they just pop the surface and put out some roots o0. So don't count that toward your total veg time, you want at least 4 decent weeks veg from then, given your pot count.

Always water with some run off to stop build ups, not a crazy amount of run off, stop feeding when they start dripping from the bottom. If it's pouring out it's too much.

Hey buddy sorry for the late reply I have just finished work, I'm using canna nutes A+B and all the additives for it to like the Rhizotonic, Canna PK13/14, Cannazym and last but not least the Canna Boost they're all 250ml bottles the additives but the A+B are litre bottles they where only £58 odd free delivery to, Not bad. I just hope with my first time growing in coco isn't going to be a bad experience or I've wasted loads off money on this run, i was growing in soil in my last run and ran into loads off problems mainly for over feeding ,

So you mentioned run offs right, Just say I put all my nutes and additives in my 2 litre bottle and shake after each nute/additive is added, Then ill give the plant the full 2 litre bottle and if there is run off Il in my saucer, Do i give plain water after the feeding my mute feeds I have just give my plants? So won't that mean the nutes and additives will be mostly washed out? Or do you mean wait a few days then give plain water and wait for the run off, Can you explain it a bit more clearer please for a noob, don't mean to come across obnoxious there buddy I just want every done right with this grow, My seeds are germing as we speak , Royal Cheese and white widow , Mmmmmmmmm lol.

Smithy1 · Oct 12, 2018

Ahhh yeah one more question when I feed my plants a full 2 litre fully a+b and additives, And if there is run off in the saucer what do i do with it do I just leave and let the plant soak it up within time or do in wait until all the plant has stopped running off and empty the saucer?

SORRY FOR THE PICKING AND POCKING FOLKS I JUST WANT EVERYTHING RIGHT, IVE EVEN GOT A PEN AND A NOTE BOOK TO WRITE THINGS DOWN OFF HERE FROM WHAT PEOPLE TELL ME, SAD AND STONED AREN'T I LOL

Flowki · Oct 13, 2018

Smithy1 said:
Hey buddy sorry for the late reply I have just finished work, I'm using canna nutes A+B and all the additives for it to like the Rhizotonic, Canna PK13/14, Cannazym and last but not least the Canna Boost they're all 250ml bottles the additives but the A+B are litre bottles they where only £58 odd free delivery to, Not bad. I just hope with my first time growing in coco isn't going to be a bad experience or I've wasted loads off money on this run, i was growing in soil in my last run and ran into loads off problems mainly for over feeding ,

So you mentioned run offs right, Just say I put all my nutes and additives in my 2 litre bottle and shake after each nute/additive is added, Then ill give the plant the full 2 litre bottle and if there is run off Il in my saucer, Do i give plain water after the feeding my mute feeds I have just give my plants? So won't that mean the nutes and additives will be mostly washed out? Or do you mean wait a few days then give plain water and wait for the run off, Can you explain it a bit more clearer please for a noob, don't mean to come across obnoxious there buddy I just want every done right with this grow, My seeds are germing as we speak , Royal Cheese and white widow , Mmmmmmmmm lol.

Light heights and intensity are correct
Environment (temps/humidity and air flow)
Base elements covered (cana A+B)
Correct feeding amount+runoff
Topped the plants at-least twice

In a 4x4 tent with 4 pots the above makes up 99% of getting close to the max yield for the given strain. Heavy strains 20+, lighter strains 15+, as an estimate. Veg time and growing style can blur the lines but those numbers are good to shoot for.

All the other additives you are talking about make a marginal difference if at all. Use them if you want but getting them wrong will fk up a guaranteed thing. I'd only pick out the pk to use but the cana AB has a decent amount of P in it, so you don't need to use a lot of pk. I don't know the ppm concentrations of using liquid pk so I can't help on that. Just keep in mind it isn't going to massively increase yield with cana ab.. so better not to use it at all if you're unsure on how much to give.

Coco needs to have nutrients in it. You don't want to give plain water for long. During germination the seed has some energy to get started, so a feed or two of just water is ''ok''. If you are feeding every other day then that's 2 feeding's of plain water taking 4 days. On the next feed (day 6) use 1/4 strength a+b and maybe again on day 8. On day 10 step up to 1/2 strength a+b and hold it there until you see enough leaves to handle full strength. When that is I can not help you with since it depends on how well they grow as a result of your environment etc. Even the step ups I am suggesting now depend on that.. read up more and do what you feel comfortable with.

Water slowly, slightly flood the top surface then stop and allow it to seep in, repeat. Shape the top surface into a slight bowl shape, this stops water running down the side of the pots giving fake run off. That way run off is more likely to be actual run off and you can remove it as soon as it's stopped dripping.

Once the plants are happily on full strength a+b you always use that when ever you water. Be it every day or every other day. In the second last week of flower you can reduce to 3/4 strength, in the last week 1/2 strength, but no less than that. You never need to flush, just give some run off every time.. especially if you do use additives.

On a side thing. If only using cana A+b you can get away with missing some run offs on established plants. The over all ppm is not that high so it won't burn the plants. However it's likely not a good idea to miss two run offs in a row. If you did miss a run off, give slightly more on the next one, just a little more. Once you get use to your pot sizes and plants you'll understand how much you give them before run off. Be it 2L or 5L. Only reason I'm telling you this is because if you make up a weekly water barrel or so.. you may not have enough at the end to get a full feed+run off. If you can't be bothered to refill on that day you can afford to get a bit lazy.. so long as the plants are given 90% of what they would normally have. I have that part down to an art so I can give run off every other time, saving water/nutes and amount of fill ups.

Smithy1 · Oct 13, 2018

Flowki said:
Light heights and intensity are correct
Environment (temps/humidity and air flow)
Base elements covered (cana A+B)
Correct feeding amount+runoff
Topped the plants at-least twice

In a 4x4 tent with 4 pots the above makes up 99% of getting close to the max yield for the given strain. Heavy strains 20+, lighter strains 15+, as an estimate. Veg time and growing style can blur the lines but those numbers are good to shoot for.

All the other additives you are talking about make a marginal difference if at all. Use them if you want but getting them wrong will fk up a guaranteed thing. I'd only pick out the pk to use but the cana AB has a decent amount of P in it, so you don't need to use a lot of pk. I don't know the ppm concentrations of using liquid pk so I can't help on that. Just keep in mind it isn't going to massively increase yield with cana ab.. so better not to use it at all if you're unsure on how much to give.

Coco needs to have nutrients in it. You don't want to give plain water for long. During germination the seed has some energy to get started, so a feed or two of just water is ''ok''. If you are feeding every other day then that's 2 feeding's of plain water taking 4 days. On the next feed (day 6) use 1/4 strength a+b and maybe again on day 8. On day 10 step up to 1/2 strength a+b and hold it there until you see enough leaves to handle full strength. When that is I can not help you with since it depends on how well they grow as a result of your environment etc. Even the step ups I am suggesting now depend on that.. read up more and do what you feel comfortable with.

Water slowly, slightly flood the top surface then stop and allow it to seep in, repeat. Shape the top surface into a slight bowl shape, this stops water running down the side of the pots giving fake run off. That way run off is more likely to be actual run off and you can remove it as soon as it's stopped dripping.

Once the plants are happily on full strength a+b you always use that when ever you water. Be it every day or every other day. In the second last week of flower you can reduce to 3/4 strength, in the last week 1/2 strength, but no less than that. You never need to flush, just give some run off every time.. especially if you do use additives.

On a side thing. If only using cana A+B you can get away with missing some run offs on established plants. The over all ppm is not that high so it won't burn the plants. However it's likely not a good idea to miss two run offs in a row. If you did miss a run off, give slightly more on the next one, just a little more. Once you get use to your pot sizes and plants you'll understand how much you give them before run off. Be it 2L or 5L. Only reason I'm telling you this is because if you make up a weekly water barrel or so.. you may not have enough at the end to get a full feed+run off. If you can't be bothered to refill on that day you can afford to get a bit lazy.. so long as the plants are given 90% of what they would normally have. I have that part down to an art so I can give run off every other time, saving water/nutes and amount of fill ups.

Cheers for that reply buddy I've jotted down some pointers you have made in my notebook I have lol, You mentioned you would only use the PK is that purely because it helps fatten up the flowers?, Also with the Boost as well I've read that when people start using this in their feeding schedule within a week they can see new bud sites all over their plants, I have every Canna additive i even have the canna Flush for when harvest comes, It's a few mls per litre I've read all he additives I've bought aren't cheap like they cost me nearly £80-£90. Thing is there's so many nutrients to choose from out there, So I decided to go for canna range seen as how it's specially made for growing cannabis by the Dutch or so I've read , Also when I mix nutrients I just use a 2 litre bottle and add the A shake add the B shake then and the PK shake then add the Boost them shake, Just with you mentioning making up a weekly water barrel I just keep in simple and use syringes I buy off my grow shop and measure nutrients that way, I just add the a and b then every additive into a 2 litre bottle then shake very well after each one. I have 4 2 litre bottles 1 for each plant so they get 1 2 litre feed, That's another thing how often do you feed in coco is it every 2days? I have the time for it I work for myself so keep can just nip home and do it
And is 2 litres enough feed every few days for it? <<<<<< Please answer these questions as this is the part where I get confused I don't want to feed to much or to little, You see with soil I just give the 2 litre off feed and additives and I just waited until the pot was light until my next feed which I'm presuming you don't do with Coco.

Thanks for the advice on the seedlings by saying water a few times then give a tiny tiny dose off a+b then build it up from there, I went up my mam and dads and printed the full canna grow guide, per 2 litre (which ill be using) 2 litre milk bottles I'm using then I just use a syringe to measure out each nutrient then add it then shake well, Filling up with water as each additive is added them give it a good shake once it's reached the top (full 2 litre.)

Also one more question so I can jot it down, When I feed my plants and there is run off shall I leave it in the saucer? Or wait 10-15 minutes has passed then Chuck the runoff away? I used to feed my other plants in my bath then wait until run off finished and put them back in the tent and in the saucers and there was no run off.

Ahhh and the part about me having a life and getting a good yield I don't have a life I just sit in all day after I've came home from work, I work for myself to so I can nip home if needed, So when in finish I just get in Smoke weed and that's me, so hopefully I can concentrate on my good yield lol Ohh and With the odd visits from my mam and dad but they know I grow and my dad helps me out with things for it.

Sorry if I've come accross a confusing f@$k, Just I want to do everything right and do things properly , Thanks for you information and patience, Much appreciated.

Smithy1 · Oct 13, 2018

Is the fan set-up wrong on this people? Im getting people on another thread saying it's setup wrong but I followed every instruction and I've had a trustworthy friend round and said it's good to go, Any advice people ?

Flowki · Oct 13, 2018

Smithy1 said:
Cheers for that reply buddy I've jotted down some pointers you have made in my notebook I have lol, You mentioned you would only use the PK is that purely because it helps fatten up the flowers?, Also with the Boost as well I've read that when people start using this in their feeding schedule within a week they can see new bud sites all over their plants, I have every Canna additive i even have the canna Flush for when harvest comes, It's a few mls per litre I've read all he additives I've bought aren't cheap like they cost me nearly £80-£90. Thing is there's so many nutrients to choose from out there, So I decided to go for canna range seen as how it's specially made for growing cannabis by the Dutch or so I've read , Also when I mix nutrients I just use a 2 litre bottle and add the A shake add the B shake then and the PK shake then add the Boost them shake, Just with you mentioning making up a weekly water barrel I just keep in simple and use syringes I buy off my grow shop and measure nutrients that way, I just add the a and b then every additive into a 2 litre bottle then shake very well after each one. I have 4 2 litre bottles 1 for each plant so they get 1 2 litre feed, That's another thing how often do you feed in coco is it every 2days? I have the time for it I work for myself so keep can just nip home and do it
And is 2 litres enough feed every few days for it? <<<<<< Please answer these questions as this is the part where I get confused I don't want to feed to much or to little, You see with soil I just give the 2 litre off feed and additives and I just waited until the pot was light until my next feed which I'm presuming you don't do with Coco.

In terms of nutrients effect on yield, cana A+B gives the plants 95% of what they need, so I guess to really keep it simple, adding various additives will make up the remaining 5% yield/quality. The point I am trying to get across to you is that many additives exist, all with varying effectiveness while many are also ''lies'' in what they achieve. In trying to make up that 5% yield/quality through additives you can create ph issue, ppm burns, build ups, locks outs, etc. That then messes up the 95% base reducing it to 50% yield or less. So chase the last 5% at the risk of losing 45+%. You are new so it could get that bad.

Smithy1 said:
Thanks for the advice on the seedlings by saying water a few times then give a tiny tiny dose off a+b then build it up from there, I went up my mam and dads and printed the full canna grow guide, per 2 litre (which ill be using) 2 litre milk bottles I'm using then I just use a syringe to measure out each nutrient then add it then shake well, Filling up with water as each additive is added them give it a good shake once it's reached the top (full 2 litre.)

It's entirely up to you but look into something like a hard plasterers bucket, 40 to 60L will cover you a week worth of feeding at peak, it's a better way of mixing as well.

What size pots are you using?.

Smithy1 said:
Also one more question so I can jot it down, When I feed my plants and there is run off shall I leave it in the saucer? Or wait 10-15 minutes has passed then Chuck the runoff away? I used to feed my other plants in my bath then wait until run off finished and put them back in the tent and in the saucers and there was no run off.

Ahhh and the part about me having a life and getting a good yield I don't have a life I just sit in all day after I've came home from work, I work for myself to so I can nip home if needed, So when in finish I just get in Smoke weed and that's me, so hopefully I can concentrate on my good yield lol Ohh and With the odd visits from my mam and dad but they know I grow and my dad helps me out with things for it.

Sorry if I've come accross a confusing f@$k, Just I want to do everything right and do things properly , Thanks for you information and patience, Much appreciated.

With the watering technique I mentioned last post, remove the run off as soon as you think it's stopped.

Smithy1 · Oct 13, 2018

Flowki said:
In terms of nutrients effect on yield, cana A+B gives the plants 95% of what they need, so I guess to really keep it simple, adding various additives will make up the remaining 5% yield/quality. The point I am trying to get across to you is that many additives exist, all with varying effectiveness while many are also ''lies'' in what they achieve. In trying to make up that 5% yield/quality through additives you can create ph issue, ppm burns, build ups, locks outs, etc. That then messes up the 95% base reducing it to 50% yield or less. So chase the last 5% at the risk of losing 45+%. You are new so it could get that bad.

It's entirely up to you but look into something like a hard plasterers bucket, 40 to 60L will cover you a week worth of feeding at peak, it's a better way of mixing as well.

What size pots are you using?.

With the watering technique I mentioned last post, remove the run off as soon as you think it's stopped.

Top stuff buddy cheers, One more favour while your here is the carbon and the fan installed correctly, Apparently the fan is in installed backwards so can you just have a quick look to clarify and ill leave you alone buddy i promise I'm going to role a fat one and chill lol Ohhhh Yeah almost forgot im using 16L Rhizo Pots, The next pot up with Rhizo pots where 23 Litres and I've been told the lesser the pot the better with coco, I've heard they are good for roots I'm using coco in the pots to, If you check this thread in around a week my setup will be almost done ill put some pics up.s I've just checked my seeds that are germination and they have all popped bar one white widow. I could get a 40L plastering bucket I didn't think a out that ill look into it.

Flowki · Oct 14, 2018

Smithy1 said:
Top stuff buddy cheers, One more favour while your here is the carbon and the fan installed correctly, Apparently the fan is in installed backwards so can you just have a quick look to clarify and ill leave you alone buddy i promise I'm going to role a fat one and chill lol Ohhhh Yeah almost forgot im using 16L Rhizo Pots, The next pot up with Rhizo pots where 23 Litres and I've been told the lesser the pot the better with coco, I've heard they are good for roots I'm using coco in the pots to, If you check this thread in around a week my setup will be almost done ill put some pics up.s I've just checked my seeds that are germination and they have all popped bar one white widow. I could get a 40L plastering bucket I didn't think a out that ill look into it.

I can't remember by visual sorry.. but disconnect the ducting leading to the filter and turn the fan on, you'll see.

Those pots should be good, but I would not lift them around as the compression may damage roots in the wall, you can suck water out of trays with various methods. A better option is to build a slightly elevated platform for the pots to stand on so that run off can drip freely into the tray, although not urgent to do it. Then the tray can be physically lifted out or water sucked up with a vac etc. The method is also helpful so that salts don't build on the tray with the pot sitting right in it. You will end up feeding 3-5L per pot in those at peak flower, be it daily or every other, get the 60L res, you'll soon be sick of mixing little bottles. You don't have to fill the entire 60L but eventually you may need too. Just make sure you know exactly how much 40L is (use a 10L bucket to measure it out) and mark it on the side.

Smithy1 · Oct 14, 2018

Flowki said:
I can't remember by visual sorry.. but disconnect the ducting leading to the filter and turn the fan on, you'll see.

Those pots should be good, but I would not lift them around as the compression may damage roots in the wall, you can suck water out of trays with various methods. A better option is to build a slightly elevated platform for the pots to stand on so that run off can drip freely into the tray, although not urgent to do it. Then the tray can be physically lifted out or water sucked up with a vac etc. The method is also helpful so that salts don't build on the tray with the pot sitting right in it. You will end up feeding 3-5L per pot in those at peak flower, be it daily or every other, get the 60L res, you'll soon be sick of mixing little bottles. You don't have to fill the entire 60L but eventually you may need too. Just make sure you know exactly how much 40L is (use a 10L bucket to measure it out) and mark it on the side.

Hey Flowki, I haven’t read what you said yet but I’ll upload some recent pictures I took and reply to you buddy.
Here some pics please tell me if it looks okay my seeds a germinating and should be in pots in a day or 2.

Smithy1 · Oct 14, 2018

Flowki said:
I can't remember by visual sorry.. but disconnect the ducting leading to the filter and turn the fan on, you'll see.

Those pots should be good, but I would not lift them around as the compression may damage roots in the wall, you can suck water out of trays with various methods. A better option is to build a slightly elevated platform for the pots to stand on so that run off can drip freely into the tray, although not urgent to do it. Then the tray can be physically lifted out or water sucked up with a vac etc. The method is also helpful so that salts don't build on the tray with the pot sitting right in it. You will end up feeding 3-5L per pot in those at peak flower, be it daily or every other, get the 60L res, you'll soon be sick of mixing little bottles. You don't have to fill the entire 60L but eventually you may need too. Just make sure you know exactly how much 40L is (use a 10L bucket to measure it out) and mark it on the side.

Hey Flowki, Yeah the pots are good apparently they are very good for growing weed and I didn't want just cheap pots from my local gardening store this time, I'm not knocking them if they work for people they work but they just ain't my cup off tea ill use them for my outdoor grow next summer, The ones I have left left I think I have ten, I've also read and heard about people with having trouble with salts build up with their plants and they just give them a big flush , So just to clarify when I've finished feeding my plants (2) litre bottle and there is a run off shall i just tip the runoff away and not leave it on the saucer? This is the confusing bit to me with Me been a beginner and you a pro I don't know whether to leave it and let the plants suck it up or get rid off it straight away, Sorry for the ongoing questions or if you feel your getting frustrated with me just in need to know by next week, I'm actually jotting loads off notes down In a note book from what people tell me on here and on the net, I've split it into sections like vegging, Flowering , Seedlings, Topping , Fimmimg , Supercropping, My note book goes on and on and on like I am a bit here , Sorry and cheers for your advice.

jtrizzy · Oct 14, 2018

Smithy1 said:
Hey Flowki, Yeah the pots are good apparently they are very good for growing weed and I didn't want just cheap pots from my local gardening store this time, I'm not knocking them if they work for people they work but they just ain't my cup off tea ill use them for my outdoor grow next summer, The ones I have left left I think I have ten, I've also read and heard about people with having trouble with salts build up with their plants and they just give them a big flush , So just to clarify when I've finished feeding my plants (2) litre bottle and there is a run off shall i just tip the runoff away and not leave it on the saucer? This is the confusing bit to me with Me been a beginner and you a pro I don't know whether to leave it and let the plants suck it up or get rid off it straight away, Sorry for the ongoing questions or if you feel your getting frustrated with me just in need to know by next week, I'm actually jotting loads off notes down In a note book from what people tell me on here and on the net, I've split it into sections like vegging, Flowering , Seedlings, Topping , Fimmimg , Supercropping, My note book goes on and on and on like I am a bit here , Sorry and cheers for your advice.

have your seeds germinated yet? I know its been at least 72 hrs since you said you put them in a wet paper towel.

Smithy1 · Oct 14, 2018

jtrizzy said:
have your seeds germinated yet? I know its been at least 72 hrs since you said you put them in a wet paper towel.

There is a tap root on all off them, But I like the tap root to be longish not tiny, I started germinating them early hour in the morning on the 12th, Is it okay to put them straight in coco, With them been no nutrients in them? I have a bit off jacks magic lying about so I could mix some in with coco, When I put them in the small pots to I spray a little inside the sandwich bag for moisture them I put the pot inside the sandwich bag, Then I put them under my lights then normally they pop up the next morning. That's my way off doings things anyway.

jtrizzy · Oct 15, 2018

Smithy1 said:
There is a tap root on all off them, But I like the tap root to be longish not tiny, I started germinating them early hour in the morning on the 12th, Is it okay to put them straight in coco, With them been no nutrients in them? I have a bit off jacks magic lying about so I could mix some in with coco, When I put them in the small pots to I spray a little inside the sandwich bag for moisture them I put the pot inside the sandwich bag, Then I put them under my lights then normally they pop up the next morning. That's my way off doings things anyway.

No idea, sorry never grown in coco, good luck with the grow.

Flowki · Oct 15, 2018

Smithy1 said:
Hey Flowki, Yeah the pots are good apparently they are very good for growing weed and I didn't want just cheap pots from my local gardening store this time, I'm not knocking them if they work for people they work but they just ain't my cup off tea ill use them for my outdoor grow next summer, The ones I have left left I think I have ten, I've also read and heard about people with having trouble with salts build up with their plants and they just give them a big flush , So just to clarify when I've finished feeding my plants (2) litre bottle and there is a run off shall i just tip the runoff away and not leave it on the saucer? This is the confusing bit to me with Me been a beginner and you a pro I don't know whether to leave it and let the plants suck it up or get rid off it straight away, Sorry for the ongoing questions or if you feel your getting frustrated with me just in need to know by next week, I'm actually jotting loads off notes down In a note book from what people tell me on here and on the net, I've split it into sections like vegging, Flowering , Seedlings, Topping , Fimmimg , Supercropping, My note book goes on and on and on like I am a bit here , Sorry and cheers for your advice.

Water the way I mentioned earlier then remove it as soon as you can.

It's easy to say it's easy when you know what you are doing but well, it's easy ;p. Don't over complicate things with too many notes ^^.

Smithy1 · Oct 15, 2018

Little update folks my 4 seeds I had germinating, I checked them around 3 hours ago and the tap root was as long as my finger lol

Anyway I already bought some seedlinh soil mixed it up put them in root down buried them sprayed them with a little water a tint bit off soil on top and put them in a clear white Tesco zip lock bag, It keeps all the moisture in and helps with seeds apparently and my uncle uses this technique and has for 20 years and it’s never failed him or so he said, Anyway they are rested on coco ready to be planted about 2 weeks after they pop up they’ll be going in 16 L Rhizo pots, The lights are on 24/7 at the moment waiting for them to rise up from the soil then they’ll be on 18/6. The fan is on and I’ve got a little fan circulating air in the tent with a few vent holes open because The fan is sucking the tent in and they can’t off been enough events open.

Opinions and thoughts folks.

P.S sorry for the pics with the lights on I couldn’t get anybody better ones i tried I’ll take some tomorrow when they are off.

Flowki · Oct 16, 2018

Smithy1 said:
Little update folks my 4 seeds I had germinating, I checked them around 3 hours ago and the tap root was as long as my finger lol

Anyway I already bought some seedlinh soil mixed it up put them in root down buried them sprayed them with a little water a tint bit off soil on top and put them in a clear white Tesco zip lock bag, It keeps all the moisture in and helps with seeds apparently and my uncle uses this technique and has for 20 years and it’s never failed him or so he said, Anyway they are rested on coco ready to be planted about 2 weeks after they pop up they’ll be going in 16 L Rhizo pots, The lights are on 24/7 at the moment waiting for them to rise up from the soil then they’ll be on 18/6. The fan is on and I’ve got a little fan circulating air in the tent with a few vent holes open because The fan is sucking the tent in and they can’t off been enough events open.

Opinions and thoughts folks.

P.S sorry for the pics with the lights on I couldn’t get anybody better ones i tried I’ll take some tomorrow when they are off.

I'm not entirely sure on the soil and pot. Soil is 6.5 ph, coco is 5.8, but with a small volume of soil it might not matter so much. However coco will be watered over twice as much and frequency as soil so don't over water the soil initially or you will drown the roots. Use coco for the first seeds/cuttings pots next time then you don't have that worry near as much. The seed pot size is too small for two weeks, get 1L air pots for that stage next time. In a few more runs when you feel comfortable feeding you can cut out the seed pot process and plant directly into final pot. But, having 1L pots laying around is still useful with future cuttings if you want to slow veg times down a week or two.

Smithy1 · Oct 17, 2018

Flowki said:
I'm not entirely sure on the soil and pot. Soil is 6.5 ph, coco is 5.8, but with a small volume of soil it might not matter so much. However coco will be watered over twice as much and frequency as soil so don't over water the soil initially or you will drown the roots. Use coco for the first seeds/cuttings pots next time then you don't have that worry near as much. The seed pot size is too small for two weeks, get 1L air pots for that stage next time. In a few more runs when you feel comfortable feeding you can cut out the seed pot process and plant directly into final pot. But, having 1L pots laying around is still useful with future cuttings if you want to slow veg times down a week or two.

Cheers for the informative info they say you you learn as you go and that's exactly what I'm doing this is only my second run after been getting sick off 1.5 for £20 off dealers round here and 0.7 for a tenner the good awld day are gone for sure paying a tenner for for 1.5s are gone ,

Ahhh my apologies i don't think explained it well enough for you I'm using little pots for my seedlings , 3 off them have popped though I'm just waiting for other one to pop i had to give the three a helping hand a take the shells/helmets off they seemed a bit stuck on so and wouldn't come off for some reason normally they push through the soil and its off I used sterilized tweezers to carefully take them off , But they where about 2 inch high and the shell/helmet was 75% attached. So what in had to.do it warm.put tweezers in warm water spray the seedlings with spray bottle and sort off cut down the middle off the shell and hey Presto!! I put them under the lights and you can see tiny leaves forming.

Im sorry i didn't explain that properly the zip bags resting where used to have the seedlings in, Underneath are the 16L pots with perilite and color, in around 2 weeks ill put them in when they seedlings a bit bigger, I prepared it to save time and I had the missus on my back Moaning (Again), Well they are not in zip locks now they popped this morning well yesterday morning now and all are under the lights. I started writing this then then worked called me in (again)Ohhh yeah then another dilemma I had to take the helmet off one off another seedling seeds like sort odd slick down the middle very very gently then remove the shell then took it out off the zip lock bag and straight under the lights. Do you think it will end up be okay? I know it's not advisable to take the helmet off them but I felt I had to otherwise I would off lossed most my seeds at at them price BUGGER THAT!! Wooooppp! I cant wait for them to flourish now, Sorry buddy I was writing this then I I got call to go into work.

P.S Any advice on what I've just said wouldr members want to chime in, It's my first propper grow so any advice would be brilliant.

Flowki · Oct 17, 2018

Shells getting stuck happens, it's not a big deal if you are careful. As I've read it's mostly a sign of them not being deep enough so that the soil/coco doesn't have the resistance to take them off. But then if you place them too deep and compact the top too much they bight not make it out.. so I guess having some shells stuck on is the lesser of two evils.

Smithy1 · Oct 17, 2018

Flowki said:
Shells getting stuck happens, it's not a big deal if you are careful. As I've read it's mostly a sign of them not being deep enough so that the soil/coco doesn't have the resistance to take them off. But then if you place them too deep and compact the top too much they bight not make it out.. so I guess having some shells stuck on is the lesser of two evils.

Ahhh I see mate cheers for explaining, Well you learn as you go hey, Yeah I was very careful but not to the point where I was wearing blue gloves but I washed my hands then sterilized my tweezers then got to work, Ill put pictures on soon off my seedlings I need the missus iPhone pics are miles better.

Does this look ok for my first time putting my grow tent up??

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