Does hearing Cheeto Jesus on TV make anyone else feel ill??

UncleBuck

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I'm not aware of him saying that but I doubt he would be pushing to rescind voting rights. It doesn't make sense to me.
makes perfect sense. attacking voting rights means less people of color being able to vote. and people of color overwhelmingly won't vote for a racist like ron paul (or any other republican for that matter)

hence why republicans hate voting rights
 

abalonehx

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ok what ever you want to believe. His platform had no such position. If you want to make up shit....go ahead
 

Fogdog

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Sorry to nitpick, I agree with you overall and with the second paragraph for sure. That is exactly how I would describe the whole "free-market" thing and even add in some more, like Rothbard's thoughts on a "free-market for children" to be bought and sold. However, as to the first paragraph, I would have argued a bit different, but this is just me, for opinion discussion. I would say that it has been "tried". In fact, I would say it has been tried more than any other economic model. The thing is, the word itself is an oxymoron. I mean just read it carefully, "free-market". Privatization is only possible through gov't enforcement. Indigenous societies had no concept of owning the land. They may have been tribally territorial but they did not consider the earth to be their property. Besides, feudalism itself in many ways seems to me to be the end state of this economic model. Everything is privatized, even the state and all of the levers and apparatus of gov't. It's a sort of inverse totalitarianism. That's what paleo-conservatives seem to beckon for. A sort of return to the economic model born out of the Atlantic slave trade and privateering and private states like the East India Company which in many ways helped to shape the markets that still exist.
I don't think you are nit picking, I think you are expanding on what I said. Or maybe not what I said but what I meant to say. buzzed and all that. So, let's go back to my saying I don't think there has ever been a free market. How does that differ from your saying our current system is controlled by the government? In a practical sense, "markets" outside of small villages don't exist without governing authority to protect trade routes, set standards and prevent manipulation that quite quickly leads to monopoly. Markets in the larger sense depend upon trust which requires people to behave according to a set of agreed upon rules. The government's role is to set down and then enforce the rules. Therefore, there can never be a free market.

I'm just engaging in something different than the back and forth we have around here. If you aren't interested, I'm ok with going back to the normal program. I'm also not interested in what rob roy says so he can just stfu.
 

abalonehx

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well, they. but yea. I can't defend that. But at the time. End the Drug War - End the Fed - End the M.I.C. sounded good to me.
 

abalonehx

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If you want to say at the very same time he was doing that he would put all brown and black people in slave mode. That would be an incredible trick. Who knows?
 

Fogdog

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well, they. but yea. I can't defend that. But at the time. End the Drug War - End the Fed - End the M.I.C. sounded good to me.
I voted for Bernie and wouldn't now that I know him better so there is that. Bernie would not have been a good president to lead on issues of social justice including Black and women's issues. He would have been great for white people and not bad for everybody else but they would have felt invisible to his administration.
 

abandonconflict

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I don't think you are nit picking, I think you are expanding on what I said. Or maybe not what I said but what I meant to say. buzzed and all that. So, let's go back to my saying I don't think there has ever been a free market. How does that differ from your saying our current system is controlled by the government? In a practical sense, "markets" outside of small villages don't exist without governing authority to protect trade routes, set standards and prevent manipulation that quite quickly leads to monopoly. Markets in the larger sense depend upon trust which requires people to behave according to a set of agreed upon rules. The government's role is to set down and then enforce the rules. Therefore, there can never be a free market.

I'm just engaging in something different than the back and forth we have around here. If you aren't interested, I'm ok with going back to the normal program. I'm also not interested in what rob roy says so he can just stfu.
I think we have a little more than semantics going on, but not by much. I would say that the "free-market" people themselves don't even know that feudalism would be the end state of their economic model. That has definitely been tried. That is the model in which the land owners had all the power. These goons don't really get that so they just argue that there should be no gov't intervention in trade and markets, ignoring that what land owners do is essentially what gov'ts do now. They draw lines on a map and say "this is mine" and then proceed to extract resources from the earth while exploiting the very laborers creating all the wealth. In their "pure" system, there would be no state, the land owners themselves would simply construct private roads and employ private armies.

Anyway to go back to your question, it really doesn't differ much aside from semantics. It is like saying that the gov't has liberated markets at the expense of the people. Well lately, the gov't has brought up regulations to help markets grow and to globalize them. In some cases the gov't has made regulations to protect markets in the long term like with environmental protections. Sure, these may hurt some industries in the near term, but destroying the environment would ultimately be very bad for pretty much all industries.
 

abandonconflict

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well, they. but yea. I can't defend that. But at the time. End the Drug War - End the Fed - End the M.I.C. sounded good to me.
OK, then why keep defending him and saying we're all just lying and the huge list of evidence that he is racist as fuck is lies. Just say you didn't know and you supported him for other reasons until you found out or something. You seemed to have had a meltdown over the news that he is racist, then began the 5 stages of grief. You started with denial, then went on to anger and now you're bargaining. Relax, gringo.
 
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