does anyone else think guns should be banned?

Keenly said:

suicide is not the result of guns

if people want to off themselves they will find another way to do it

the bill of rights gives me the unalienable right to bear arms

i will own a gun because

A) i will attempt kill anyone who is endangering my own life

B) will attempt to kill anyone who is coming to take me to a camp

C) will attempt to kill anyone coming to give me a forced vaccination

and finally D) will attempt to kill anyone who i find in my house without my permission who will not instantly, upon sight of my weapon, explain themselves and get the hell out


is that so bad?


when you outlaw guns only outlaws have guns


andrew jackson quote : " The strongest defense of the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves from tyranny in government "

if we lived in a republic like founding fathers wanted, people with your opinion could not take away the rights of people with my opinion

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Amen to that!!!!! Well put sir

Ask one of our Aussie friends what happens when the gov bans guns. Criminals still have guns and they use them to great effect.

One of the top detterents to criminals is if they know thier potential victims might be armed too.
Gun violence in Australia went way up when they banned guns.

Cannabis is illegal and people still get it. make guns illegal and you create another black market for the criminals and gangsters to profit from.

Have fun with your police state, I will be resisting it.

gogrow said:

they didnt future an america filled with wussies either.... when children are raised with and TAUGHT about guns, there are few issues. As i stated before, maybe its more of a southern thing, but i and most of the kids in my town were taught how to use guns at an early age; recieved my first shotgun at the ripe age of seven, and by nine, a friend and i would strap guns to our back and ride bikes to go hunt squirrel.

we were taught how to use and respect guns. most children today grow up in homes where if there is a gun, it is probably for "home protection", and never gets pulled out of dad's drawer or closet.... thus they dont know shit about guns except what they think they know from television and their own young, naiive minds..... and they blow thier faces off

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nah, it not just a southern thing, its a more rural area thing.

is there anyone in america who thinks guns are bad? lol.

how come nobody had a opinion about the boy in nevada last week woh shot his 2 year old sister and the 5 year old boy who blew his face off? it seems that everybody will spout the pros of gun ownership but when i mention something like this nobody says a word and just ignores it. come on people if were goin to debate can we at least talk about the possibality that bad thing do come from gun ownership? i mean how many of you have thought about civil war? and survivalists? with the amount of weapons in america it suprises me nobody is worried about these things?
any opinions?

steve1978 said:

is there anyone in america who thinks guns are bad? lol.

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Commies.

steve1978 said:

how come nobody had a opinion about the boy in nevada last week woh shot his 2 year old sister and the 5 year old boy who blew his face off? it seems that everybody will spout the pros of gun ownership but when i mention something like this nobody says a word and just ignores it. come on people if were goin to debate can we at least talk about the possibality that bad thing do come from gun ownership? i mean how many of you have thought about civil war? and survivalists? with the amount of weapons in america it suprises me nobody is worried about these things?
any opinions?

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The other side to that coin is much worse. I'll take a little social darwinism if it means we can protect ourselves from the gov etc.

Sorry, Billy your dad is stupid and let you get his gun. Is much better than sorry everyone your rights are gone.

39am UK, Wednesday June 10, 2009
An 11-year-old boy has accidentally killed his nine-year-old brother with a shotgun after an argument about a computer game.




Brothers fought over shotgun


Darius Finley was shot once in the chest after the pair struggled with the weapon at their home in Marshall County, northern Mississippi.
Marshall County Sheriff Kenny Dickerson said: "The younger brother allegedly got mad because he got beat at some video games and got the gun."
He said his brother, De-Andre Finley, initially said he never touched the gun.
But after more questioning, the older boy admitted the weapon accidentally went off as the two struggled over it.
"That version we can live with because it's consistent with the evidence," Mr Dickerson said.
He said the shotgun was too long and heavy for the younger boy to hold it against his chest and pull the trigger.
"That's the reason it raised red flags," he added.
He said the boys' father was outside mowing the lawn at the time of the incident.
A post-mortem is to be carried out, and the shotgun has been removed from the scene for testing.
Mr Dickerson added: "Upon arrival we found a nine-year old child laying face down in the bedroom of the home.
"The shotgun was near where the child was laying, and casing to the opposite side of where the child was laying."
Police said it is unlikely the older brother will be charged because he is under 13, and "it appeared to be an accident anyway".

dont worry i wont post no more dead baby storys. i just wanted to show you it took me 30 seconds to find that one. does anyone else think this should be stopped or does it have to happen to your children first?

steve1978 said:

how come nobody had a opinion about the boy in nevada last week woh shot his 2 year old sister and the 5 year old boy who blew his face off? it seems that everybody will spout the pros of gun ownership but when i mention something like this nobody says a word and just ignores it. come on people if were goin to debate can we at least talk about the possibality that bad thing do come from gun ownership? i mean how many of you have thought about civil war? and survivalists? with the amount of weapons in america it suprises me nobody is worried about these things?
any opinions?

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what about kids getting hit accidently by cars? does that support the argument that we should outlaw cars?
and its the parents fault.....u gotta be careful when ya got kids living with you. i got a locked gun cabinet myself. i have the key on me at all times.

steve1978 said:

how come nobody had a opinion about the boy in nevada last week woh shot his 2 year old sister and the 5 year old boy who blew his face off? it seems that everybody will spout the pros of gun ownership but when i mention something like this nobody says a word and just ignores it. come on people if were goin to debate can we at least talk about the possibality that bad thing do come from gun ownership? i mean how many of you have thought about civil war? and survivalists? with the amount of weapons in america it suprises me nobody is worried about these things?
any opinions?

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im sorry, its sad but... bad parenting is to blame here, not an inanimate object. and as for the part in bold, a civil war is probably the only thing left that can save this country, "survivalists" are just ahead of the game

Now I suspect you're trolling. I suggest you use your energy to ban poor parenting and not guns. Let's ban cars since a kid could take one out and kill someone. It has happened before.

kids accidently drink poison.....outlaw all chemicals too? kids accidently drown....outlaw swimming pools?

in your last example, when you get to the source of the problem, wouldnt you have to conclude that video games, not guns caused that incident?

we dont outlaw cars but we have speed limits. especially out side schools. and yes kids do get killed by poison/cars/wild running antelope, lots of thing but who are we kidding guys! lol. surely nothing can be worse that any death thats preventable. that include guns

steve1978 said:

i appear to have misled you guys. i dont think hunting should be banned. i would love to go hunting. but im sure theres a diffarence between a good hunting rifle and a uzi.

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There is a major difference between a hunting rifle and an Uzi. Submachine guns like Uzis are severely restricted in the U.S., and have been since 1968. One must jump through numerous government hoops and pay a great deal of money before the weapon is purchased.

steve1978 said:

i think some people should be allowed a liscence. people who can prove they want it for the right reasons.

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When the government has a say in who can and who cannot own a firearm, the right to own firearms under the 2nd Amendment becomes meaningless.

steve1978 said:

i dont know much about guns (although i can strip and fire competantly a sa80) but im sure there is a big differance between a hand gun kept at home locked up and a pimp with a assault rifle.

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There is a huge difference. The weapon locked safely up is worthless if the pimp with the assault rifle decides to invade one's home in the middle of the night. By the time the trigger locks are removed and the weapon is loaded, it's all over.

steve1978 said:

as to the what would i do scenario. i would give them anything they wanted let them leave then call the police. then claim insurance. i'm not fucking rambo lol! imo all a shoot out in my house, where my children are would achieve is a mess on the carpet.

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Self defense is much more than an accounting of how many times a weapon has been fired in self-defense. Such an examination is superficial and misleading. Most times the mere presence of a firearm is enough to thwart a would-be criminal.

I personally dont think the general public should be able to buy shit like an uzi. Im not for a gun ban, although I am for gun control. I dont really care how the states are to get a gun, but up here I have to get a license and then can purchase guns. I think thats all that should have to happen.

the constitution gives us the right to bear arms as a way for us (the people) would always have the power to fight an oppressive government. do you think if guns where banned the police and us army would stop using guns? and at that point if a corrupt goverment decides to do somthing that is unconstitutional what would we do?

bulletproof bodies quote "if a corrupt goverment decides to do somthing that is unconstitutional what would we do?"

nothing, just like right now when we do have guns......

haha very true i was just stating why we have the right to begin with