Diabolical666
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Doctors are so far gone now..Did they not get into the business to help people?!?!?! Now they just help the drug companies
Doctor Is Going To Discharge Mom From Practice
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Diabolical666
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Id call locally and ask if thats normal for NH docs or just that practice
Diabolical666
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and thats the best thing....less meds with less fucked side effects
panhead
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They do look for mj & anything else , ANY & All Patients who are on long term meds get urine & blood tests as routine , especially patients like my wife & i who are on long term narco therapy .
Docs want to make sure the meds they prescribe are in the patients system at high levels to assure the meds dont end up sold on the street , urine & blood tests are routine .
@Cpappa27 , my wifes doc was much like your moms doc in the beginning where he adamantly opposed her using med mj , i spoke to him & explained how it gives her an appetite & is the only thing that works to stop her seizures , he said if she was gonna keep using mj then she would have to give up most of her pain meds & all of her muscle relaxants , she agreed & seeing her improvement he now allows her full access to pain meds but it took us a few months of constantly explaining how she uses mj .
Do not tell the doc that she smokes mj , instead tell him she ingests mj in food & uses topical cremes , docs seem to feel better about pot when its not smoked .
If i told her doc that she smokes for an hour straight when a seizure is comming he would flip out , i tell him she eats cookies laced with mj extracts & he is ok with it all .
Cpappa27
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This happened Friday morning so I haven't medicated her in fear of getting discharged and until I find a new doctor. This morning the physical therapist came over and checked her vitals and her oxygen levels were super low her blood pressure was super low and her whole body hurt to the point where she couldn't get UP to go to the bathroom. So now were in the hospital and they are putting her through the ringer of tests. They think she may be developing pneumonia.
Cpappa27
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I will give that a try and hopefully she will understand
Steele_GreenMan
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of course they do this post is proof.
what im saying, is that
1. you can only find MJ and other drugs in tests when they go in and look/test for it specifically. it doesnt show up in normal routine tests thats , sound and proven science, i have never personally been accosted for having what i know for sure to be extremely high amounts of thc and cociane in my blood, after being tested. (clean as of this year tho)
2. Its fundamentally wrong to breach her privacy like that and search for such drugs as marijuana.
where i live that is not acceptable
but i can see how it happens after reading the op and your story i understand now that doctors dont give a fuck and go looking into your "dirty laundry" without your permission in america
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Diabolical666
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Oh Id be waiting for that doc to roll in there...and say SEE MofO!
Diabolical666
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oH , and if she says thats the withdrawals from the mj...slap the fuck outta her
panhead
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Its not as black & white as right vs wrong , most likely narcotic prescription opiates are being prescribed by the doc long term , there are many people who sell their oxycontin & norco on the street , also many pain management patients abuse pain killers & other drugs along with their prescribed meds .
Alot of shit changed with the DEA's new ruling as of 10/1/2014 , before that date doctors were allowed by the dea to prescribe any dose narcotic for any time period to any patient with no risk of loosing their license by having the patient sign a waiver saying opiate addiction has been explained to them & long term use leads to dependancy , i am opiate dependant & have been for over 20 yrs so i know alot about this .
After that date doctors are held to an extremely high level of accountability , now the dea is questioning doctors who prescribe more than 3 prescriptions of narcotics to any patient , doctors also now have to prove they have done everything in their power to assure abuse of prescription narcotics isnt happening , or that illegal drugs are not being used in conjunction with prescribed meds , mj is still illegal in all states in the eyes of the dea .
This new shit isnt brought on by the US medical profession its a DEA thing & doctors are being hung out to dry by the DEA , the clinics in Florida who took out of state patients & prescribed 90 80mg oxycontin a month to anybody with fake back pain are to blame , the clinics in Florida pumped out nearly 40% of the Oxycontin being sold on the streets & forced Federal intervention because Fla state law wouldnt .
Now all docs who prescribe narcotics to truly sick folks like Cpappas mom , my wife & me are being forced by the new dea ruling to discharge all patients who have a federally illegal drug in their system , state med mj laws do not protect doctors from the dea revoking their license to prescribe medicine .
Cpappa27
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panhead
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I would too , my wife is in the hospital all the time & if the nurses are leaving her in pain i dose the shit out of her with medibles , if that isnt enough i give her some Dilaudid , Demerol or Oxycontin depending on which pk the hospital has her on , i have them all at home & will stop her pain if the shit head nurses wont .
Patients left in pain in hospitals usually is an issue with the nurse over riding the doctors orders on meds , something most dont know is that if the nurse feels the patient is over medicated they can refuse to give prescribed doses of pain killers & the patient wont even know she is getting half what the doc prescribed .
Fuckin nurses tell the doc in her opinion the patient didnt need more pain meds & rarely does the doc force the nurse to give the full dose meds .
Ever notice when your moms in the hospital her pain levels go up & down depending wbich nurse is caring for her ? It happens to us all the time or it used to happen alot , ive raised holy hell with nurses & demanded to see the doctors orders , then once i prove they are witholding meds at their discretion i get the patient advocate up there & call her doctor , it allways ends up with some bitchy nurse being pissed off but my wife gets her full dose of pk's .
Check to see exactly what dose your mom is supposed to be on then make the nurse show you your moms intake level , theres a good chance the nurse is witholding meds prescribed by her doctor leaving your mom in pain .
green_machine_two9er
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I believe it may have to do state insurance. And of course the new rules with the dea. I think some doctors go ABOVe and Boyound just to cover their own asses. Some doctors won't even take pain management patients in any form whatsoever.
I don't know of advice for this situation. It just makes me proud to be an American I guess. to see the hypocracy across state lines when it comes to mmj.
dbkick
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Fixed just for you.
As I've already said, these fuckers don't have an oath anymore, they have an agenda.
qwizoking
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Any doctor is going to drug test, as mentioned its so they know shes actually taking her medicine as prescribed..this would encompass drug seeking behavior or distribution
What medications are prescribed?
Whats wrong specifically?
Being in the medical industry i usually side with the dr. As was mentioned these people do originally get involved from a desire to help people. Its not about money etc..
Describe the patient and i will try and advise how you should proceed
What medications are prescribed?
Whats wrong specifically?
Being in the medical industry i usually side with the dr. As was mentioned these people do originally get involved from a desire to help people. Its not about money etc..
Describe the patient and i will try and advise how you should proceed
panhead
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According to the dea ruling it dont matter if your in a legal med state or not , all doctors are required to drug test all long term pain patients & mj is still illegal at the federal level , were in Michigan which is a legal state & we both have med cards but not from the pain management doctors , we approached the issue like this .
Most pain patients are prescribed 2 pain killers , one strong med like oxy or fentanyl & a weaker med such as norco for break thru pain ,my wife was prescribed 3 40mg oxycontin a day plus 3 10mg norco daily , we showed the doc that by using mj she only needed half her pain meds most days & showed how her intake of mj isnt lowering her oxygen levels , it took months of back n forth for the doctor to relent & turn a blind eye to her mj use even though by law he is putting his license at risk , the dea ruling is nationwide & affects all doctors & patients .
Until you can show evidence how mj is not hurting your mom & needs to be used in conjunction with her prescribed pain meds your gonna have a tough time ,the doctor is going to take away her prescription pain meds if she has mj in her system , you should show him a topical creme & say you rub it on your mom for her neuropathic pain & thats how it enters her system , it will up your chances the doctor will relent & gives him a way out with the dea .
Most doctors in legal states are making patients chose between their much needed pain meds & med mj , try to show her doctor how it works with her pain meds & cannot be substituted for pain meds when her pain relief comes from using both .
panhead
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State insurance wont be an issue with a patient being dropped from a doctors care .
State & federal insurances are pulling their own bullshit trying to force doctors to prescribe cheap medicines only , any & all super expensive meds prescribed by doctors are being denied by state insurance , they force the doctor to call the ins company & get pre authorization for the prescribed medicine , the doctor has to personally explain that no other medication will work in its place , then state or federal ins will pay for the meds but not long term .
Once the 1st script runs out & a new script is wrote by the doctor the state or federal insurance denys the script again , this forces doctors to spend much of their day on the phone vs seeing patients & making money , their goal is to beat doctors down by wasting their time tying them up on the phone all day , sooner or later the doctor will break & start prescribing cheaper medicine , which is bullshit .
All the shit doctors & pharmicists tell us saying generic meds are exactly the same as name brand is an outright lie & total distortion of the truth , the dea has a law known as the 25/20 law where generic drugs are allowed to be made with 25% less active ingredient than name brand , they are also allowed to use totally different binding agents or other compounds which affect the delivery of the med to the bloodstream & the bio availability of the medicine .
Anybody who's ever taken a generic Vicoden marked M-360 & got zero effect from the pill will have seen how different generic drugs are where so many corners are cut to save money it renders the medicine useless .
The generic version of lipitor was so poorly made only 7% of the active ingredient hit the bloodstream & was finally pulled from the market by the FDA .
Ever wonder how rite aid & wallgreens are able to sell medicine at 30% less than other pharmacies, its because all the drugs they stock are shit generics with less active ingredients , try going to a rite aid with a script that the doctor wtote DAW dispense as written & watch them give you a bullshit excuse how they dont have enough to fill your script when in reality they dont even cary name brand meds if cheap generics are available .
That is what state insurance is pushing doctors twords where they only issue scripts for poorly made generic meds to save money .