Do You Support The "Occupy"Protests?
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Good article ; http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy?CMP=twt_gu
heres a snipit;
Why this massive mobilisation against these not-yet-fully-articulated, unarmed, inchoate people? After all, protesters against the war in Iraq, Tea Party rallies and others have all proceeded without this coordinated crackdown. Is it really the camping? As I write, two hundred young people, with sleeping bags, suitcases and even folding chairs, are still camping out all night and day outside of NBC on public sidewalks under the benevolent eye of an NYPD cop awaiting Saturday Night Live tickets, so surely the camping is not the issue. I was still deeply puzzled as to why OWS, this hapless, hopeful band, would call out a violent federal response.
That is, until I found out what it was that OWS actually wanted.
The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.
The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.
No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.
When I saw this list and especially the last agenda item the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.
heres a snipit;
Why this massive mobilisation against these not-yet-fully-articulated, unarmed, inchoate people? After all, protesters against the war in Iraq, Tea Party rallies and others have all proceeded without this coordinated crackdown. Is it really the camping? As I write, two hundred young people, with sleeping bags, suitcases and even folding chairs, are still camping out all night and day outside of NBC on public sidewalks under the benevolent eye of an NYPD cop awaiting Saturday Night Live tickets, so surely the camping is not the issue. I was still deeply puzzled as to why OWS, this hapless, hopeful band, would call out a violent federal response.
That is, until I found out what it was that OWS actually wanted.
The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.
The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.
No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.
When I saw this list and especially the last agenda item the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.
mccumcumber
Well-Known Member
You got any evidence of this?
dukeanthony
New Member
They need to get that Message out there then.
BTW what is Obamas stance on this
What is the Republicans
Including Turtle Fucking Ron Paul
If you read the whole article it goes over why the message isnt getting out. Its purposely being surpressed by both the left and the right wing media as both the left and right wing media are owned by the 5 major conglomorates that control 99% of what we read, watch and hear.
Yes I support civil disobedience and the right to protest. Even when many of the protestors do not know what caused the economic crisis.
dirtysnowball
Well-Known Member
im in favor because i cant find a job and im bored.
budlover13
King Tut
Short attention span in America isn't it?
budlover13
King Tut
BUMP BUMP!!!!
Just saw on local ABC news that LAPD is moving on Occupy LA. Saw live video of a shit-ton of armored cops marching down the street.
Haven't supported or castigated the movement. HAVE supported their right to assemble and speak.
Buuutttt,,,,, this could get interesting.
Remember Rodney King?
Just saw on local ABC news that LAPD is moving on Occupy LA. Saw live video of a shit-ton of armored cops marching down the street.
Haven't supported or castigated the movement. HAVE supported their right to assemble and speak.
Buuutttt,,,,, this could get interesting.
Remember Rodney King?
FilthyFizzle
Active Member
Can you say Socialism? Good because thats the worlds short term future
I agree that something needs to change but this isn’t the way to do it. If we want to change the U.S. or the world for that matter then we need to audit the Government. Get the government out of wallstreet not wallstreet out of the government. The Occupy movement is basically Proletarian Revolution & Communist Revolution. This is all a big scam to get the world to change to Socialism or Communism and idk about you but I'd rather have capital form the land I own and the goods that I produce. The world run by the working class sounds swell but will not be in the long run. The problem is not capitalism but Monopoly Capitalism and other forms that I have not yet researched. This movement has been taken control of by the ideas of MARXISM which were developed by Karl Marx in the 1800s (look it up on Wikipedia) The ideas of Marxism state that there will be a world revolution against "capitalism" and replacing it with Stateless Communism and/or Socialism (china, Germany, Russia, Korea, etc.) I'm all set with all of it... Sorry if anyone is Marxist out there but it’s not the way that America is supposed to be run. We have always said that we want freedom; I can assure you after this movement we will have no such thing... Do some research for yourself on Marxism, Ideology, Class struggle, class warfare, Proletarian Revolution, and World revolution.. Wikipedia is a wonderful tool. I know we need to take a stance but we are going about it the wrong way.. The lack of organization has let the already organized Democratic Socialist of America to be heard, as well as other organizations.
OWS=Good Idea, bad outcome
I agree that something needs to change but this isn’t the way to do it. If we want to change the U.S. or the world for that matter then we need to audit the Government. Get the government out of wallstreet not wallstreet out of the government. The Occupy movement is basically Proletarian Revolution & Communist Revolution. This is all a big scam to get the world to change to Socialism or Communism and idk about you but I'd rather have capital form the land I own and the goods that I produce. The world run by the working class sounds swell but will not be in the long run. The problem is not capitalism but Monopoly Capitalism and other forms that I have not yet researched. This movement has been taken control of by the ideas of MARXISM which were developed by Karl Marx in the 1800s (look it up on Wikipedia) The ideas of Marxism state that there will be a world revolution against "capitalism" and replacing it with Stateless Communism and/or Socialism (china, Germany, Russia, Korea, etc.) I'm all set with all of it... Sorry if anyone is Marxist out there but it’s not the way that America is supposed to be run. We have always said that we want freedom; I can assure you after this movement we will have no such thing... Do some research for yourself on Marxism, Ideology, Class struggle, class warfare, Proletarian Revolution, and World revolution.. Wikipedia is a wonderful tool. I know we need to take a stance but we are going about it the wrong way.. The lack of organization has let the already organized Democratic Socialist of America to be heard, as well as other organizations.
OWS=Good Idea, bad outcome
FilthyFizzle
Active Member
me selling a bag of medical marijuana is capitalism
laserbrn
Well-Known Member
Well, they cleared them out of LA which is nice. Nothing like a tent city in front of your city hall that looks like a group of hobo's and degenerates. I went down there, I saw first hand what it's about, it's nonsense and irritating. Not that I don't love pot, but I think it's funny that the pot smoking/growing forum is the only one in which I've seen overwhelming SUPPORT for this "occupation". Customer base?
dukeanthony
New Member
Occupy needs a coherent message and organization. Otherwise they end up looking like derelicts. And i dont think the majority would Support Ron Paul if they knew his agenda
Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
There is a coherent message. How do you think a global movement could happen without organization?
FilthyFizzle
Active Member
Somebody gives people the idea to rebel by droping little hints and gestures in the media. A democracy in Egypt? Are you kidding? They were better off with what they had...
And the message for OWS is end capitalism and replace it with socialism
Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure you could be more misinformed.
mccumcumber
Well-Known Member
I'm afraid you have no idea what Marxism actually is.
Despite the fact that China, Russia, Cuba, etc claimed to be communist they weren't. By definition they were not communist, as a country we knew it... but we didn't care that they branded themselves incorrectly, in fact, it just made actual communism look more scary because people were associating that with the tyranny goin down in Russia, Cuba, etc.
What Marx was talking about is completely different. Read the communist manifesto, not wikipedia, and you'll learn something. Marx said that the highest form of government that we could some day evolve to is communism. Where everyone is FREE and everyone is EQUAL. .
Despite the fact that China, Russia, Cuba, etc claimed to be communist they weren't. By definition they were not communist, as a country we knew it... but we didn't care that they branded themselves incorrectly, in fact, it just made actual communism look more scary because people were associating that with the tyranny goin down in Russia, Cuba, etc.
What Marx was talking about is completely different. Read the communist manifesto, not wikipedia, and you'll learn something. Marx said that the highest form of government that we could some day evolve to is communism. Where everyone is FREE and everyone is EQUAL. .
laserbrn
Well-Known Member
Marx is a tool, Marxism doesn't work, and unless we're all ants, that isn't going to change. Why do people keep regressing to the same old ideas in the face of evidence that they don't work and don't achieve their stated goals and objectives? Does it matter if your objectives are good if your results are poor?