Do We Dare Discuss 911 With Poll

brownbearclan

brownbearclan

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I've looked into this quite a bit an my conclusion is that everything happened as we know it did with the exception that I firmly believe that our government was aware of the impending attack and let it happen anyway as an "IN" to the conflict in the middle east. They did the exact same shit with Pearl Harbor to get us into WW2. Like seriously, our government wants us to believe that they didn't see half the entire Japanese Navy headed to Hawaii with all of their patrols recon and radar even back then? Same shit different day. =P
 
bunnyface

bunnyface

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I think the attacks on pearl harbour and attacks on 9/11 are completely different. I maybe wrong, but from what I know about Pearl harbour, they belived an attack may of come but they had no idea where, and when. They also didnt know where the japanese fleet was, also the radar operators did spot incoming contacts, but they belived them to be a freindly patrol, and then sea birds. Anyway thats a different thing.
The Japanese fleet was large but wasnt the entire navy,,it did have all of the aircraft carriers currently in service with the japanese navy(dont forget the midget subs). 6 if i remeber right, the other thing is that it was only the naval targets that where attacked, power station, shipyard, maintenance, and fuel and torpedo storage facilities, as well as the submarine piers and headquarters building were not attacked the purpose being to leave the Japanese Navy free roam of the pacfic, The MAIN reason it was never thought that the attack could come was because of negotiations still going on with the Japanese,they were saying that they had no intentions to go to war with the USA, how they want trade, freindship etc,,,,,
SORRY, for the thread jack.
Also,,,,,argue with me if you like,, the war in Iraq was never against terroism, it was for middle east stablity, fair enough there werent any WMD'S ,but 62% of usa people polled said terrorism threats would increase with war in Iraq.?? so that war wasnt against terror at all, so there for it has f all to do with 9/11. At no point was the war in Iraq against al-queada, or other terrorist cell.(the insugancy did become a war against terror because for them the western-ers were invading them etc. but that different.)if you get what i mean.
 
canuckgrow

canuckgrow

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bunnyface said:
I think the attacks on pearl harbour and attacks on 9/11 are completely different. I maybe wrong, but from what I know about Pearl harbour, they belived an attack may of come but they had no idea where, and when. They also didnt know where the japanese fleet was, also the radar operators did spot incoming contacts, but they belived them to be a freindly patrol, and then sea birds. Anyway thats a different thing.
The Japanese fleet was large but wasnt the entire navy,,it did have all of the aircraft carriers currently in service with the japanese navy(dont forget the midget subs). 6 if i remeber right, the other thing is that it was only the naval targets that where attacked, power station, shipyard, maintenance, and fuel and torpedo storage facilities, as well as the submarine piers and headquarters building were not attacked the purpose being to leave the Japanese Navy free roam of the pacfic, The MAIN reason it was never thought that the attack could come was because of negotiations still going on with the Japanese,they were saying that they had no intentions to go to war with the USA, how they want trade, freindship etc,,,,,
SORRY, for the thread jack.
Also,,,,,argue with me if you like,, the war in Iraq was never against terroism, it was for middle east stablity, fair enough there werent any WMD'S ,but 62% of usa people polled said terrorism threats would increase with war in Iraq.?? so that war wasnt against terror at all, so there for it has f all to do with 9/11. At no point was the war in Iraq against al-queada, or other terrorist cell.(the insugancy did become a war against terror because for them the western-ers were invading them etc. but that different.)if you get what i mean.
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If terrorism and middle east stability = oil reserves then you are correct.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
Just because something looks suspicious doesn't mean it is. That tends to lead to a conspiracy state of mind.
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Fair enough.. but if it were a murder case, that point would be investigated completely. It seems like a completely valid point. I'm head of a company, then I leave to become vice president, then that exact same company, which I still own millions of dollars worth of shares in receives government contracts, increasing my stake and all the other shareholders stakes.

All five of my senses sense that as suspicious..
 
jeff f

jeff f

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canuckgrow said:
Who wants to discuss 911...Do you believe the official story? Part of it? all of it? none of it?

Well I messed up the Poll part so i am not going to start another thread.

I believe that 19 terrorists were trained and hired to fly those planes into the World trade Centre. By whom I have no idea but I suspect it was not Osama and Al Queda as suggested by the official story.

I believe that a missile struck the pentagon and not a plane at all as suggested by the Pentagons own security camera footage of the actual incident.
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cosidering all 3 crashes were on video and witnessed they thousands of people, i think your wrong on that. i belive the official story. remember, they told us they were gonna do it. theyve done it in the past and they did it on 911
 
canuckgrow

canuckgrow

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jeff f said:
cosidering all 3 crashes were on video and witnessed they thousands of people, i think your wrong on that. i belive the official story. remember, they told us they were gonna do it. theyve done it in the past and they did it on 911
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Have a look here smart guy...this is the video of the Pentagon crash...Look like a plane to you?
[video=youtube;paWiZ2Y8fRg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg&feature=related[/video]

If it does than you may need glasses
 
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NoDrama

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Lets not forget the first tragedy that started all of this conspiracy/terrorist/blowing up a building shit

[video=youtube;NWwrEEP8EBk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk[/video]

What I want to know is, Who planted the other bombs?
 
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fdd2blk

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it goes back even further, ....


they never fired incendiary devices, .....


[video=youtube;jUdANL0YtSQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUdANL0YtSQ&feature=related[/video]
 
ChubbySoap

ChubbySoap

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i love videos where peeps say, "where's the plane then?"
i never see a missile either...so it's even i guess.

"the explosion couldn't have pulverized this column!"
...could seven floors of building have possibly crushed it? No?
oh my...

"We let the japs attack!"
yes we did...then we nuked their asses....twice.

The government conspiring these huge complicated plots...they can't even agree what to have for lunch.
bah i say. bah.
 
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NoDrama

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Yeah Waco was WACKO. Lets not forget Ruby Ridge either.[video=youtube;I9-Ih4H70MM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9-Ih4H70MM[/video]
 
doc111

doc111

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canuckgrow said:
I must admit I am a little intrigued by your post and gave it 2 reads.......Here is what you offer as any kind of backup or proof to your claim that there is no conspiracy involved with the attacks on 9/11 ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.....What you do attempt to do is classic deflection...I don't agree with you so your a nutjob not worth of socializing with the rest of us......end of story right?????

If you are too thick to understand the gravity of the events that unfolded as a direct result of 9/11 and the 3 wars being waged based on that event...then I truly feel sorry for you....If you really want to know who did it follow the money it will lead you right up the skirt and into the drawers of this whole thing. Lets look at the defense contractors to start....How much do you think they made for their shareholders due to these wars? Trillions of dollars were and still are being spread around. Give or take a few hundred billion that went missing during Iraq right? Oh well SNAFU right

That is the dumbest acronym on earth....it makes no sense whatsoever....You could say that for everything wrong in the universe LOL....Oh well SNAFU..............you do know that the CIA has already admitted to planning this very kind of scenario way back in 1962....seems they wanted a reason to invade Cuba...... Ever heard of Operation Northwoods? but hey SNAFU right????
You may want to come out from undertheice the lack of Oxygen seems to be getting to you.:blsmoke:
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I'm not seeing any proof from you either, just lame Youtube videos that don't prove a damn thing! Nobody can prove any of this shit, that's why they are called "conspiracy THEORIES" my friend. If the shit could be proven, it would be called conspiracy FACTS. :dunce:
 
canuckgrow

canuckgrow

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doc111 said:
I'm not seeing any proof from you either, just lame Youtube videos that don't prove a damn thing! Nobody can prove any of this shit, that's why they are called "conspiracy THEORIES" my friend. If the shit could be proven, it would be called conspiracy FACTS. :dunce:
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Ok there doc it was actually one youtube video that I posted with a question: Does it look like a 757 or even an airplane that hits the building to you or anyone else???/...look again and honestly answer the question. Is that rock solid proof of anything? I haven't the foggiest, nor did I pretend it was. Furthermore it is simply your opinion as to whether the video is "lame" or not,,,,,,and thank you for it......:dunce::fire::bigjoint:
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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Balzac mate, what happened with the pentagon eh? Can your structural weakening aply to a plane vaporisong and all security footage being stolen forever and ever? :lol: what happened there?

And what was the shit about the passport being found in the rubble of the tower?
 
slacker99

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I signed early on, when the number was less than 400. Now, it's over 1400!

1,435 verified architectural and engineering professionals and 11,266 other supporters
have signed the petition demanding of Congress
a truly independent investigation.

The petition is open to everyone.
 
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redivider

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tip top toker said:
Balzac mate, what happened with the pentagon eh? Can your structural weakening aply to a plane vaporisong and all security footage being stolen forever and ever? :lol: what happened there?

And what was the shit about the passport being found in the rubble of the tower?
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dude your forgetting that there's reports that some of the alleged highjackers are still alive.....

and the news footage from 9/11 shows plenty of people talking about 'huge explosions' and firefighters talking about 'boom boom boom'....and somehow somebody in the basement levels of the buildings, more than 60-80 stories below where the planes hit, found people burned to a crisp, and fire like something had exploded, well below where the planes hit, or where there was any fire.........

this isn't just some fiction, this is from the live, on the ground news footage that was taken as the events unfolded, so this wasn't ppl making shit up to get attention 3 years after the fact. .. witnesses standing in or around the towers who lived the event. they are the most credible source of waht was happening i think........

i'll believe them WAAY before i believe some commission full of beurocrats half of whom spent that day safely tucked away in tax-payer funded bunkers, while the nation was under attack......
 
undertheice

undertheice

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canuckgrow said:
I must admit I am a little intrigued by your post and gave it 2 reads.......Here is what you offer as any kind of backup or proof to your claim that there is no conspiracy involved with the attacks on 9/11 ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.....
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much like proving that god doesn't exist, providing proof of a lack of a conspiracy is pretty much impossible. i suppose that's why we still have folks like 7f dishing out their speculations on jfk's assassination after nearly fifty years. my aversion to all these conspiracy theories is based on the simple reason that it makes no sense. we have thousands of small conspiracies running twenty-four hours a day in almost every capitol in the world, but it takes a real sociopath to kill thousands of people for a few paltry million dollars or even a few billion. if there had been a major power shift in our government or if we had run into the middle east and gobbled up oil concessions left and right, i might tend to lend these notions more credence. but we didn't do that, now did we? instead we targeted afghanistan, a hell hole that we watched the soviet union try unsuccessfully to subdue for nearly ten years. considering all of the neighboring countries that already have an infrastructure designed to accommodate oil production, afghanistan would seem a piss poor choice for an invasion orchestrated to acquire wealth. for that matter, why bother with a false flag operation at all? iraq is proof enough that we needed no attack to spark an invasion. all it takes is an arrogant dictator with an abominable human rights record and a penchant for rubbing the world's nose in their heartlessness. the middle east is full of those.

the entire idea that 9/11 was some orchestrated plot is predicated on the belief that our government is filled with heartless sociopaths and even i am not willing to fall for that crap. i may believe that these political animals are a bunch of power hungry buffoons with the morals of alley cats, but i really don't think there's a hitler or a stalin in the bunch. even if there were, it would take more than one, two or even a handful to pull off such a thing. it would take scores of people who were willing to participate in the murder a building full of innocent civilians and still go home at night, kiss the wife and kids and ignore the pounding beat of their own conscience. i don't doubt that the events of 9/11 spawned myriad minor conspiracies designed to turn tragedy into an upper hand, but the sheer scope of the operation defies common sense and rational thought.

i'm sure it's easy to try and blame the government for the wtc and the pentagon. after all, you get to blame a quasi-conservative administration and the military in one fell swoop. what self-respecting liberal, if there actually is such a thing, could pass up such an opportunity? i'm sure that there are thousands, if not millions, of people out there that would love to see the powerful brought down by any means and that any inconsistencies in the accounts are bound to bring them all out of the woodwork. the similar past scenarios that you claim point to government involvement are little more than anecdotal curiosities that show only how desperate people may think, not necessarily how they will act. in short, blaming the people you hate for calamitous events is just the sort of thing that is expected from those of low morals and a skewed perception of humanity's failings.

as for your dislike of my acronym for "situation normal - all fucked up", get over yourself. the public sector has shown us over and over again how incompetent their schemes are. few, if any, of their programs work as they should or manage to stay within their budgets. their never ending bureaucracy demands that even the simplest task become over-complicated and reigned over by squadrons of highly paid but ineffectual middle-managers, each concerned only with expanding their own fiefdom. accountability is at a minimum, every fuck up can be blamed on either the last batch of idiots or the next and it usually is. social programs, military programs, economic programs, all are plagued by the endless red tape that is the life-blood of the state. you may want to think that your leaders are smart enough to dig us out of our every hole, but that's a silly delusion. the best, the most motivated and the brightest certainly don't go into the echoing corridors of government service. they go somewhere where they can make some money, do some good and utilize their gifts to the fullest. only a fool would think that that's in the government. what government provides us with is mediocrity at best and that's the sort of people it attracts, the mediocre and those unable to make it in the real world.
 
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