Your building collapse classes tell you how they happen, what causes them? Or does it explain the hazards to look for while undergoing operations and rescues? Because unless they are explaining HOW, WHY, WHEN buildings collapse, they are useless as evidence of some kind of authority on building collapses. Hey if i want to know what the best way to get a gurney to a woman trapped under live electrical wires you will be my first call, but if I need someone to explain to me how a Column of steel and concrete just up and disappears i'm going to call someone with a bit more experience than 1 building collapse class. Not saying you aren't the hero and all, everyone knows you firefighters risk your lives 10 times harder than anyone else.
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ginjawarrior
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fixed that for youCan you see the core?
Where is it now?
What does the steel communication tower on WTC#1 look like when it turns to dust?
WTF could possibly do that?
Evidence of a Beam weapon?
Could a Fire engine engine get so hot that it melts into nothingness?
could 1400 cars just explode into flame? Firefighters noted that there were NO FIRES anywhere near these vehicles. Nothing fell on these vehicles either, they just caught fire, nearby paper was left untouched.
here is what the hole under the tower looks like
Does that look melted to you? It doesn't take the cone shape that a explosive device would have made.
case closed
but seriously your now saying haarp did it? (you might not have reference haarp directly but thats the big boy "energy weapon" on all the conspiricy blogs)
thats just nonsense it was doctor manhatten that did it and i challenge you to show me proof that he didnt....
doc111
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Of course they teach the why's and the how's of building collapse! This class is way more intensive than you can obviously imagine. Building Collapse Technicians are as much of an authority on skyscraper collapses as you are gonna find. A skyscraper engineer is going to be about the only person with more knowledge in a specific area of collapse. We spent months after 9/11 studying these collapses. When you are a fireman, your education never ends. When you graduate from a class and get a certification, that is just the first step in becoming an "expert" in the field. We train all the time, and not just in the classroom. For building collapse we had to do live trainings one a month. We had classroom training quite frequently as well. It never stops. I don't know what else I can show you that will convince you. How about this? Do you live near a major city? If so, you really should go to a fire station and ask any of the firefighters to speak to a buliding collapse technician. There aren't that many of us but they should be able to put you in contact with one. Don't take my word for anything. Do your own research. Me telling you all of this is obviously not painting an adequate picture of what all we do and what all we learn. In order to understand how to rescue someone and stabilize collapsed buildings, first one must understand the HOW, WHY, WHEN of building collapses! Did they just teach you how to fire a rifle in boot camp, or did they teach you every aspect of that weapon? You learned how to field strip that thing in your sleep, didn't you? The class teaches us about the different types of building construction (basic types) and then gets into more advanced types of building construction. If you can't understand how they're built, you can't very well figure out how to stabilize a collapsed building, can you? You're a smart guy, so why do you keep making these assumptions about what I do and don't know about building collapses? They don't just teach us "how to get a gurney to woman trapped under live electrical wires". I've tried giving you a brief synopsis of that ONE class (which took me over a year to complete). It's one of the most intensive programs in firefighting. I've tried explaining this to you. You go ahead and listen to whoever you want. I don't really expect you to take my word for anything. A building collapse technician is about as much of an authority on building collapses as you are gonna find, so good luck on your search to find out someone with a lot more knowledge about these things. You can doubt my knowledge and experience all you want, it makes not one iota of difference to me, my friend.
Antidisestablishmentarian
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Sharks with friggin' laser beams on their heads did it.
doc111
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Guess how many of those buildings were hit by jumbo jets flying at around 500mph? If you guessed ZERO, you would be correct. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.You do realize that your link was originally posted in September of 2001 right? How much time do you think it takes to come up with a sound hypothesis and then testing of the hypothesis? More than a couple of weeks. The Minerals, Metals & Materials Society is a tiny itty bitty group of materials students and professionals. Most College Campuses have more students than TMS has members.
More pictures of skyscraper fires that didn't collapse buildings
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Guess how many of these collapsed? If you guessed ZERO you would be correct.
doc111
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I didn't realilze you were a structural engineer. You like to mix facts with outright bullshit my friend. Walls DO provide structural support. How much structural support they provide exactly I cannot tell you. That would be the area of expertise for a structural engineer.
Balzac89
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I could swear when WTC7 fell you could see the air conditioning on the roof fall through the interior of the building first..... Fire Fighters reported fires on every floor of WTC7.
[video=youtube;1suwmOgBfNM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1suwmOgBfNM[/video]
eye witnesses on site.
[video=youtube;1suwmOgBfNM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1suwmOgBfNM[/video]
eye witnesses on site.
Balzac89
Undercover Mod
You could feed this guy shovel full after shovel full of legit evidence and he would still call a foul.
Something isn't right here, but idk wtf it is but its not right and our government must have done it because it would take so much expertise for a bunch of Jihadists to hijack a plane cause that has never happened before. Right?
Something isn't right here, but idk wtf it is but its not right and our government must have done it because it would take so much expertise for a bunch of Jihadists to hijack a plane cause that has never happened before. Right?
incognegro999
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Yah I think its kinda a stretch to say the U.S. Gov did this. The only thing I'm sure about is the explanation for why things happened is BS. I think some computer geek should spend like 6months building a simulation and inputing every variable and see what comes up
bobbypyn
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they have; Underwriters Laboratory did a full on computer simulation... the thing about that is; they weren't able to recreate the collapse under the existing parameters. Like I've said, i wanted to believe it was all a conspiracy, but you really need to take a good hard look at who it is promulgating these theories so fervently; ALEX JONES IS A WHITE POWER ASSHOLE THAT WORKS FOR THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY!!!
cannabisguru
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I personally think that the American government was behind all of this. Otherwise, they would have came out with the truth from the very get go... instead of giving all these false "theories" of what might have happened.
If you knew anything about physics, then maybe you would understand.
I'm done with this.. I know in my heart that our wonderful government (the same government that wants to keep cannabis illegal) was behind that attack... period.
Some people are just so blind... they're oblivious to whats really going on in the world today. I personally think some of you should really do some more research
before you go off and start talking like you know everything. That's all I'm saying.
I've personally been doing my own research and investigating of the 9/11 attack ever since it happened.. and I'm telling ya.. shit doesn't add up. My point is.. is our own government.. was behind that attack.. and their is no arguing that.
But, we can all sit here all fucking day.. and debate about these different theories about what possibly happened.. but we'll never know the actual truth of what happened that day. Time to move on with life...
and I'm sure most of you agree when I say that we will see another attack on American soil... I'm sure we will. Just a matter of when, not 'if'.
If you knew anything about physics, then maybe you would understand.
I'm done with this.. I know in my heart that our wonderful government (the same government that wants to keep cannabis illegal) was behind that attack... period.
Some people are just so blind... they're oblivious to whats really going on in the world today. I personally think some of you should really do some more research
before you go off and start talking like you know everything. That's all I'm saying.
I've personally been doing my own research and investigating of the 9/11 attack ever since it happened.. and I'm telling ya.. shit doesn't add up. My point is.. is our own government.. was behind that attack.. and their is no arguing that.
But, we can all sit here all fucking day.. and debate about these different theories about what possibly happened.. but we'll never know the actual truth of what happened that day. Time to move on with life...
and I'm sure most of you agree when I say that we will see another attack on American soil... I'm sure we will. Just a matter of when, not 'if'.
ginjawarrior
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lol dont know why but "just enough to be dangerous" immediately springs to mind...
Antidisestablishmentarian
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+1........
bobbypyn
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Look buddy... NOBODY hates this government worse than I. I am a dedicated anarcho-syndicalist. I travel to protests with my anarchist brothers & sisters to stand against the tyranny we now face. I've been beaten, jailed, peppersprayed, all of it. Why? freedom.
Let me explain to you how you're being manipulated: The JBS set alex jones up as their pseudo-radical frontman. They financed the re-edit of Loose Change; they distributed it. Why, you ask? To try to rile up Americans to get them behind their fascist, right-wing agendas. Obama was set up to fail, so as to get stupid americans to reactively adopt their JBS bullshit!!! Don't fall for it. we are all smarter than this, but they're playing with our emotions. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Let me explain to you how you're being manipulated: The JBS set alex jones up as their pseudo-radical frontman. They financed the re-edit of Loose Change; they distributed it. Why, you ask? To try to rile up Americans to get them behind their fascist, right-wing agendas. Obama was set up to fail, so as to get stupid americans to reactively adopt their JBS bullshit!!! Don't fall for it. we are all smarter than this, but they're playing with our emotions. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
LOl HAARP? You must be a crazy conspiracy theorist to believe it was HAARP, do you even know what HAARP is?fixed that for you
but seriously your now saying haarp did it? (you might not have reference haarp directly but thats the big boy "energy weapon" on all the conspiricy blogs)
thats just nonsense it was doctor manhatten that did it and i challenge you to show me proof that he didnt....
how many of the twin towers were hit by jumbojets flying at 500 mph???Guess how many of those buildings were hit by jumbo jets flying at around 500mph? If you guessed ZERO, you would be correct. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.
ZERO.
it was 757s. not that much different than the largest 737.
Well in that case, here you go, apples to applesGuess how many of those buildings were hit by jumbo jets flying at around 500mph? If you guessed ZERO, you would be correct. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.
