Do they have to be perfect before flip ?

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Green Refuge

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Can you flip to flower when plant still has deficiencies/excess ? Should I wait until there's absolutely no issues?

Organic grow with ffof/ffhf in 5 gallon pot. I think I waited too long the plant was semi perfect at one point but I kept Procrastinating until deficiencies/excess eventually arrived. Last time I feed it was about 7-10 gays ago gave it a cup of Dr earth and some worm castings. Runoff ph 6.7 and ppm is 1500.

Should I flip it now ? Should I feed it anything before flipping ?
 

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go go kid

go go kid

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the yellowing leaves, has it just started? or is it from b 4 the def's you mentioned??
what space do you have to grow in? how much headroom do you have untill you hit the light or are you in a tent?
 
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Lordhooha

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Green Refuge said:
Can you flip to flower when plant still has deficiencies/excess ? Should I wait until there's absolutely no issues?

Organic grow with ffof/ffhf in 5 gallon pot. I think I waited too long the plant was semi perfect at one point but I kept Procrastinating until deficiencies/excess eventually arrived. Last time I feed it was about 7-10 gays ago gave it a cup of Dr earth and some worm castings. Runoff ph 6.7 and ppm is 1500.

Should I flip it now ? Should I feed it anything before flipping ?
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Cut your feeding half for the next couple of weeks. But flip now it’ll help use that excess nitrogen.
 
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Green Refuge

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go go kid said:
the yellowing leaves, has it just started? or is it from b 4 the def's you mentioned??
what space do you have to grow in? how much headroom do you have untill you hit the light or are you in a tent?
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It started a couple weeks ago on the lower leaves. I gave it epsom salt and it slowed down a little bit.

I have a 5x5x7, 3x3x6 and a 2x6x8 closet. This plant has been short it's whole life so I never worried about height. Now that you mentioned it I think it'll be really close to the light if it doubles or triples.
 
manfredo

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Green Refuge said:
It started a couple weeks ago on the lower leaves. I gave it epsom salt and it slowed down a little bit.

I have a 5x5x7, 3x3x6 and a 2x6x8 closet. This plant has been short it's whole life so I never worried about height. Now that you mentioned it I think it'll be really close to the light if it doubles or triples.
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I add epsom and calmag every time I water, up until the last week of flower then just straight water....from the time they go into soil as clones, and they love it.
 
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Green Refuge

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manfredo said:
I add epsom and calmag every time I water, up until the last week of flower then just straight water....from the time they go into soil as clones, and they love it.
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I need to strat doing that more often because it's always cal or mag deficiencies I get. How much epsom do you use per watering?
 
Uncle L

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Uncle L said:
I’d water a couple times with hort grade molasses, flip and cal/mag.
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The molasses is benign (and cheap) and will aid in freeing up lockout if there is any, in addition to adding an easy dose of potassium which it looks like it could use. That would also make the N they’re being fed more available without dumping in unnecessary nutes that could just add to the problem. A little cal/mag boost before transitioning into your flower nute regimen has never done me wrong. Of course I have little information to base this on. I have no idea if this is live soil, coco or peat base. I’ve done this for 26 years and my thoughts are just a thin slice off of a quick glance at a bad picture. ‍♂
 
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Uncle L said:
The molasses is benign (and cheap) and will aid in freeing up lockout if there is any, in addition to adding an easy dose of potassium which it looks like it could use. That would also make the N they’re being fed more available without dumping in unnecessary nutes that could just add to the problem. A little cal/mag boost before transitioning into your flower nute regimen has never done me wrong. Of course I have little information to base this on. I have no idea if this is live soil, coco or peat base. I’ve done this for 26 years and my thoughts are just a thin slice off of a quick glance at a bad picture. ‍♂
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Thanks for this great advice. It's soil all organic. The thing with organic is if you're not experienced you really have no clue when to feed dry fertilizer. Next run I think I'm supplement with liquid fertilizer.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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Green Refuge said:
Thanks for this great advice. It's soil all organic. The thing with organic is if you're not experienced you really have no clue when to feed dry fertilizer. Next run I think I'm supplement with liquid fertilizer.
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It's definitely nitrogen toxic right now. You can see the tips of the leaves clawing. I would listen to @Lordhooha and cut the feed and flip. I definitely wouldn't be adding more to the plant, such as the CalMag suggestions.
 
bam0813

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Green Refuge said:
Thanks for this great advice. It's soil all organic. The thing with organic is if you're not experienced you really have no clue when to feed dry fertilizer. Next run I think I'm supplement with liquid fertilizer.
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Before you plant ideally, the plant tells you when but some dry organics take time before the plant can use it. Others like blood meal will torch your plant pretty quick.
 
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twentyeight.threefive said:
It's definitely nitrogen toxic right now. You can see the tips of the leaves clawing. I would listen to @Lordhooha and cut the feed and flip. I definitely wouldn't be adding more to the plant, such as the CalMag suggestions.
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Yeah I'm not giving it any nitrogen. If not calmag what about some epsom salt ? When would be a good time to feed in flower ?
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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Green Refuge said:
Yeah I'm not giving it any nitrogen. If not calmag what about some epsom salt ? When would be a good time to feed in flower ?
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Why do you feel the need to give it something?

Some deficiencies are the result of overfeeding the plant other elements. CalMag is also usually accompanied by nitrogen which you definitely don't need more of. I use coco so I couldn't tell you when to feed.
 
Killaki

Killaki

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Green Refuge said:
Can you flip to flower when plant still has deficiencies/excess ? Should I wait until there's absolutely no issues?

Organic grow with ffof/ffhf in 5 gallon pot. I think I waited too long the plant was semi perfect at one point but I kept Procrastinating until deficiencies/excess eventually arrived. Last time I feed it was about 7-10 gays ago gave it a cup of Dr earth and some worm castings. Runoff ph 6.7 and ppm is 1500.

Should I flip it now ? Should I feed it anything before flipping ?
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I'd flip that shit no doubt about it. If it is N toxicity like it appears to me in this set of photos it will be fine as long as you correct the problem and don't let it progress. Who knows maybe the stretch will help, it has for me before. Personally if it were me I'd resist the urge to give it anything but plain water and watch it for a week our two. Once it started taking off and throwing lots of pistils, then I would consider feeding.
 
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