Do these plants look overfed?
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19deltafarms
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Looks like they might be overwatered I would let them dry and see how they respond
Rocket Soul
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If you're thinking N toxicity it would be helpful with some shots from the side, can't really see if the tips are clawing.
What light are they under, blurple?
What light are they under, blurple?
elfo777
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They have no clawing at all, just that deep dark green color. I don't know if that's enough to consider it overfeeding.
They are under 600W HPS, they were under a 315W CMH for one week but had to return it.
Rocket Soul
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I'd say no overfeed, it should come with consistent burnt tips.
Asked blurple cause they seem to veg plants to a very dark rich green.
Asked blurple cause they seem to veg plants to a very dark rich green.
youraveragehorticulturist
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Yeah, just a little too much. You can see the dark green color, a little discoloration on the very tips of some leaves, and some twisting and curling here and there.
If your plants get too much nitrogen they have to divert some energy from growing and direct it to breaking down the extra nitrogen instead. You don't want that!
If your plants get too much nitrogen they have to divert some energy from growing and direct it to breaking down the extra nitrogen instead. You don't want that!
Husk
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Good day =)
Those babies are just barely breaching nutrient burn. Faint yellow tips are the first indicator of excess nutrients or salts. Further down into brown tips are your 100% burn indicator. Remember you can flush (flush agents are great!) to dilute the soil, and use additives to improve the soil to allow for more room of nutrient absorption, uptake, root growth, salt breakdown, etc... When at this stage, I like to add some fulvic, or marine algae to really kickstart some new growth which in turn will burn some more nutes in soil. Nitrogen is such a fast ass nutrient, you really should be only adding it when it she shows she wants moar! These babies use 60-80% of their nitrogen in veg. You can for the "most part" just use water (mineralized) and nitrogen. Than add micro and P-K when needed or in additives once to two times a week! Why waste money on nutrients that are now being flushed out into waste?
If I can remember it's 24hrs turn around if not, 2-3 hours it's being corrected within the plant. Nutrient burn is like stuffing big rocks into a burlap sack, you can see seams pull apart right before she blows out. So add slowly, with small rocks until she full and ready to go. The beggining of flowering and up to mid weeks, the plant uses the most nutrients ever needed. If I see nutrient burn is getting bad, I'll flip em.
Add as you go, and see fit. She tells a story, it's your job to read it haha! Nutrient suppliers want you to pump as much in a plant as possible so they can make more money. We're on the side of saving money!
Just use non burning after a week's time when you see dull green on the leaves. Also transplanting wouldn't be a bad idea too!
Those babies are just barely breaching nutrient burn. Faint yellow tips are the first indicator of excess nutrients or salts. Further down into brown tips are your 100% burn indicator. Remember you can flush (flush agents are great!) to dilute the soil, and use additives to improve the soil to allow for more room of nutrient absorption, uptake, root growth, salt breakdown, etc... When at this stage, I like to add some fulvic, or marine algae to really kickstart some new growth which in turn will burn some more nutes in soil. Nitrogen is such a fast ass nutrient, you really should be only adding it when it she shows she wants moar! These babies use 60-80% of their nitrogen in veg. You can for the "most part" just use water (mineralized) and nitrogen. Than add micro and P-K when needed or in additives once to two times a week! Why waste money on nutrients that are now being flushed out into waste?
If I can remember it's 24hrs turn around if not, 2-3 hours it's being corrected within the plant. Nutrient burn is like stuffing big rocks into a burlap sack, you can see seams pull apart right before she blows out. So add slowly, with small rocks until she full and ready to go. The beggining of flowering and up to mid weeks, the plant uses the most nutrients ever needed. If I see nutrient burn is getting bad, I'll flip em.
Add as you go, and see fit. She tells a story, it's your job to read it haha! Nutrient suppliers want you to pump as much in a plant as possible so they can make more money. We're on the side of saving money!
Just use non burning after a week's time when you see dull green on the leaves. Also transplanting wouldn't be a bad idea too!
xtsho
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You don't need flushing agents. Just feed properly.
It's best to feed a balanced feed from start to finish. Not just mineral water and nitrogen. Plants use NPK, secondary, and micronutrients throughout all stages of growth. Plants use a bit of everything from start to finish.
Husk
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Water with a high TDS/EC does contain, if not all of the needed trace minerals to start a plant, even carry through life cycle.(water tests should be growers first stop) I have a buddy who can grow from a seed with plain well water in sunshine mix #4 great plants in a couple weeks, with no deficiencies, not even nitrogen. As said above nitrogen is the predominant nutrient needed in veg next to cal-mag, which alot of water also has naturally... Water is what you start your feeding regime with, when you just start adding a scheduled feed regime by a chart recommendation and not by the looks of a plant, or content of water nutrients, this is where many run into nutrient burns, lockouts, PH alteration, etc... I wouldn't use the same feed with hard water as to R.O correct?
Please don't tell others to slam nutrients with a little bit of everything, they should be analysing their water nutrient content and adding what is needed at the right stages of growth with the knowledge they have of how cannabis grows... As plants get bigger, obviously you need more nutrients to support growth and that's when nutrients should be added...
Flushing agents are sold in hydroponics shop for a reason. Saponins are a very serious subject, not to be brushed off. Knowledge is key, and as growers having access to remedies that can resolve problems faster is a wonderful gift. Not needed, yes, but available, and useful? Absolutely!!
My response was tailored to this individuals grow, which includes small plants that if well water is being used or farm water most likely that water is sufficient to carry the plants until they show some deficiencies, cheers!
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xtsho
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What are you talking about? I didn't tell anyone to slam anything with nutrients. I said a balanced feed from start to finish
I am well aware that water can contain varying levels of minerals. I use tap water and have never used calmag in my life because I understand that it contains Ca and Mg. I don't need an education on water quality.
You're making this way too complicated for the typical grower out there just growing a couple plants. Do you expect everyone to run out and have their water analyzed? And then adapt some feeding of this and that specific nutrient at this or that specific time? The nutrient companies and their dozens of bottles of stuff have already done that with their feed charts for hydro, soil, coco, hard water, soft water, RO, etc... And people still have issues.
I don't see where your response was tailored to this individuals grow and I don't see any post from the OP stating they were using well water. Most issues people have is from feeding. Usually too much of something. That's why I said a balanced feed. I feed much less than most people because I know that too much of anything will cause problems with other nutrients. It's called nutrient antagonism. You can fiddle around with feeding this and that all you want but myself and many others feed a balanced nutrient from start to finish and never have issues. It's an easy to grow plant. Now if it's a commercial scale grow ran by people with a decent understanding of plant nutrition then some of what you say makes sense. But the typical grower just wants to grow some plants not run a lab experiment.
Husk
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Your post didn't help OP that's for sure so let's state that. The feed charts you talk about could literally be the reason why someone is overfeeding, duh. You look at your plants, not a fucking chart. Charts are for people who don't know what they are doing. Most growers can easily go into a shop and get educated on growing, fuck I did! When someone comes to a forum asking for help what does that tell you? There looking to learn, improve, understand. Who's gonna understand that short ass, broadly spoken advice you gave?
People can afford hundreds of dollars on nutrients but not a water test? Also I live in Canada, my Rural municipality has tons of water test, and in America youre to tell me none of your drinking water is, you can't find information online for free, or are you too lazy? Maybe head down to the local water suppliers for your town/city and do some work... I'm assuming you and others are being lazy. I never said he had well water, clearly you didn't read my post, figures, I said "if" and also a "balanced feed start to finish" is so broadly casted it can mean many things, sorry for getting technical and actually helping others with specific details on how plants grow, and water quality/nutrients regimes. Alot of what you said in the first post is just regurgitated shit I've already said. I like details and many other do too. What you said can be found anywhere with many others preaching it. I'll go help others on many other forums because of you. People also do Google searches and sometimes RIU and others get caught in the keyword search, which is why I get detailed and cover as much as possible which can seem like I'm going off point but most is referenced to the growers post. So I know how hard it is to find good information, with clear view points. Everything I've said can be looked into and reviewed.i guess that grow Bible is just piece of paper to you eh? Along with the white coats... No one wants to work hard, you'll want it easy!!!
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Kushash
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I spent a lot of time helping new growers here for a few years.
Xtsho has helped more growers with solid information than most on this forum.
He still helps. I like many have burnt out and moved on.
No reason to argue, it's obvious you are smart but I doubt you have his experience or grow skills.
If you spent a few years helping people with detailed answers your detailed answers would likely get shorter and shorter over time and you would probably have a different view of xtsho.