Do bloom boosters make your bud taste like shit?

OldMedUser

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I add small amounts of greensand each time I re-amend a soil with slow release K. I ran out of kelp meal and plan on getting a 50 lb bag that should last years and is also a source of K. Kelp meal and EWC are my favorite top dressings when I'm not sure what to feed my plants. A safe and healthy combo.
I'm gradually switching over to organics but can never get decent stuff here in northern Alberta and shipping is very dear. Should be going out to BC late Sept and hope to stock up on organic goodies for my medicinal plants. The stoner plants get whatever gives the best yields! lol

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DaFreak

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How is one "right" about an "opinion" though?

Easy. If enough connoisseurs agree about the flavor of a certain thing then that is good taste. While another person can like something that the connoisseurs would hate. They are both correct, but the second has bad taste. Much like some people will say that Japan raised wagyu is the best beef in the world another person might say their favorite beef is a big-mac. The idea that all opinions are "correct" is childish.
 

Dr. Who

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@Dr. Who I have some living soil no till beds 4+ years i was thinking about using some big n sticky right now at transition and maybe once more closer to harvest, as well as maybe some potassium sulfate at the end. I don't really do any "flush" just water and some homemade LAB from unpasteurized goat milk, for the last week before harvest. Do you think this would do more harm than good?
Hmm, looks more like something to get money out of you to me.

If I remember right, potassium phosphite was originally used in fungicides. I think somebody noticed it added a bit of vigor to plants during heat stress and other environmental issues.
It gets put in some fert's that are used for high P need plants or defs.
Cannabis should not have any real need for that......Got a P def? Raise your feed pH and that's solved (as long as enough is available)
The kelp is likely used for the Humic/Fulvic's - bet you know what that does..... I again, don't see the need.
The carb's? Well that's simple...These are to get your soil more bio-active so the plant has better availability of nutrients...

I don't see it my self.

I prefer any supplementing I might do. During weeks 4-5-6 and sometimes 7. I am not a fan of high P at any time but, I do add some during the last 2 weeks, as I decrease the N.
Last week I simply use water - not as any way to reduce anything in the soil or the plant.
Simply because there is enough residual nutrient in the soil to carry me out and not use things that cost money - when I don't need to.

As a note: It take about those 7 days for the plant to even begin to show any feed change.... Never saw any yet in my runs.
 
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Dr. Who

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Also does anyone have a say on kushie kush, sour-dee or similar products? I get that they are all potassium sulfate, CHO and some terps\esters. They all still need proper amounts of manganese (which, I am pretty sure I get enough of from my BAS Big 6/tm-7 no-iron.) Can I replicate these in a more natural way or just save the time and buy the bottle?
Is potassium sulfate far superior to potassium derived from kelp with potassium hydroxide. Kelp, fe\mn, thc\cbd production is there a relatively simple way to tell what is ideal pheno or chemo expressions? I take brix readings but don't fully understand if getting the brix higher means healthier...

Yeah, your doing just fine with Mn and TM-7... Be careful how much you use of the TM-7! You don't want available Mn or Fe to be over like 115 ppm in a soil application. I suspect the same or maybe like 100 ppm ceiling for hydro....

As for the magic bottled shit - crappy crap is a good name for the wallet lighteners....

P sulfate. I only use it as a component to synthetic supplements - Organic forms for an Organic sup. Simply combined with a clean carb source (NO molasses) and use during the bud forming weeks of 4-5-6 or till the onset of the bulking phase and stop.
This gets used in combo to a Mg sulfate.

Amounts of the Mg sulfate are at 1.5% in concentration and the P sulfate at 6%. These are used in closely controlled amounts to ensure no THC production decrease....ALL stopped at the bulk onset. N decreased by a whole point and P increased by 2.5 points.....Not much but, effective to make a positive finish
 

BoiseShortz

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Thanks for the info Dr. Who, I was skeptical to begin with. I think I will try the organic potassium sulfate and magnesium sulfate. Do you think I am getting enough "clean" carbs from my LABS?
 

BoiseShortz

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I never really use molasses, sugar cane farming is fucked...
I have so much clover, vetch, peas, lentils, favas etc. in my beds i don't really add any N anymore. I use to use some soy protein hydrolysate but haven't for a couple of years.
 

Dr. Who

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Thanks for the info Dr. Who, I was skeptical to begin with. I think I will try the organic potassium sulfate and magnesium sulfate. Do you think I am getting enough "clean" carbs from my LABS?
Likely so.

I use organic dark brown sugar in making liquid supplement mix's..... Health food store loves me.
 

BoiseShortz

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I work at a grow store, but constantly send people to the health food store for better quality cheaper ingredients, if it weren't for my discount I probably wouldn't buy a thing from my work. Sometimes I feel guilty selling people plastic and water but often they don't give a shit even if you try telling them.
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homebrewer

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FWIW, your plants don't care where the elements come from.

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/what_organic_fertilizers_mean_to_plants_and_soil

The fundamental process of nutrient absorption by plants is well established. Irrespective of whether nutrients originate from organic or inorganic sources, plants are only capable of absorbing nutrients in certain forms. For example, nitrogen is only absorbed as nitrate (NO3-) ions or ammonium (NH4+) ions and potassium only as K+ ions. Thus, plants do not differentiate between nutrients derived from organic and inorganic fertilizer sources.
 

Dr. Who

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I work at a grow store, but constantly send people to the health food store for better quality cheaper ingredients, if it weren't for my discount I probably wouldn't buy a thing from my work. Sometimes I feel guilty selling people plastic and water but often they don't give a shit even if you try telling them.
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I had to stop in one with a friend (His stop and he wanted me to see it). Place was huge and there was so many colorful cartoons on labels, that I thought I was in a cartoon network store.

Saw a guy buying a $152 bottle of something that I can make for about $2.50 a gallon. I began telling him about it and how to make it. He put the stuff back and left. I was invited to leave...

I had NO problem with that... It's just fucking amazing the amount of lines there are. each make claims. A handful work for a fair price. The rest lie, cheat and some even poison your plants!

Many are not even charted for cannabis!

For the limited amount of synthetic I do....I got my local outdoor garden supply/green house to carry my chosen line.....Gosh, he even charges less then a "grow shop".
 
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Dr. Who

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FWIW, your plants don't care where the elements come from.

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/what_organic_fertilizers_mean_to_plants_and_soil

The fundamental process of nutrient absorption by plants is well established. Irrespective of whether nutrients originate from organic or inorganic sources, plants are only capable of absorbing nutrients in certain forms. For example, nitrogen is only absorbed as nitrate (NO3-) ions or ammonium (NH4+) ions and potassium only as K+ ions. Thus, plants do not differentiate between nutrients derived from organic and inorganic fertilizer sources.
This is true HB!

BUT, the form of the element can dictate the actual availability of the element to plant use. And how the plant use's that form..

Correct? :hug:

Example.
How do different N elements vary in plant use? Some are good, some not so good and another is better for starting plants vs. older ones...There are a lot of N forms.
 

Dr. Who

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FWIW, your plants don't care where the elements come from.

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/what_organic_fertilizers_mean_to_plants_and_soil

The fundamental process of nutrient absorption by plants is well established. Irrespective of whether nutrients originate from organic or inorganic sources, plants are only capable of absorbing nutrients in certain forms. For example, nitrogen is only absorbed as nitrate (NO3-) ions or ammonium (NH4+) ions and potassium only as K+ ions. Thus, plants do not differentiate between nutrients derived from organic and inorganic fertilizer sources.
Damn, I thought I was in another thread about a powdered muscle product (vit's and amino's with an actual NPK value in it) the guy was thinking of using ....This is where the "form" of nutrient thing came in! LOL

You are very correct......In the end, synthetic or organic.. The Ion's are the same.
 

BoiseShortz

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My boss has gotten mad at work several times for sending people other places or turning them on to KNF or cover crops, then they stop buying the colorful cartoon bottles. Is there any weight to the idea that terps hold up better over time with real organic weed? Also love the info, thanks.
 

BoiseShortz

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Is it true, that because of micro biology you can put in a nutrient that is not yet in a proper form for plant uptake that it is made available through some form of decay?
 

BoiseShortz

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The plant may not care if the nutrient is organic or not, but many non-organic and even some "organic" labeled inputs are coming from industries who use all sorts of terrible things that are showing up in detectable amounts in extract test results. Elaine Ingham was talking about gas used to kill chickens specifically...
 

getogrow

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Is it true, that because of micro biology you can put in a nutrient that is not yet in a proper form for plant uptake that it is made available through some form of decay?
Yes that is true. dead leaves turn into plant food over time. Some stuff takes too long to break down in a 3-5 month cycle though. Some stuff breaks down very fast.
 
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