DIY E-Nail

budbro18 · Apr 14, 2014

Damn i have no idea how that could happen but its nuts! Thats why i went with auber. Its a few bucks more than the everyday SSR but im hoping that will translate into slightly better QC. Theyre designed in the US and made in china so they probably get twice the QC once over there and once when they get back id assume to make sure no shipping caused any damage.

I HIGHLY recommend anyone following this to go with the AUBER PID and SSR. Very quick shipping out of Georgia and quality parts for a more than reasonable price.

I also chose to go with a hard wired coil for size and convenience. It only adds about an inch to the overall length which is not bad at all. Im thinking of something i can attach to help hold the coil. I use a velcro zip tie that is nice for wires and shit but it doesnt hold it in place on top. Maybe some kind of clip so after you wrap the velcro zip tie you can clip the coil into it right on top.

For more information i recommend looking up people using them for cookers because theyre set up the exact same way. Also, "kiln controllers" has turned up some good info for me on youtube.

nme · Apr 14, 2014

budbro18 said:
More depends on how much we move the coil more than how hard we hit it. If its a long pass across the table the air movement will drop the temp more than hitting it will haha,

Seriously? I've done many hours of dabbin and development and haven't noticed that.

budbro18 · Apr 14, 2014

Yeah we all take pretty solid hits. Not very big ones more just back to back to back little ones so that might be it too? Less oil to heat up. Also if youre dabbin wax it might be loosin a lot of heat meltin it down to liquid. a lot of heat being 10-20 degrees haha.

Waterfelic Glass · Apr 15, 2014

budbro18 said:
Yeah we all take pretty solid hits. Not very big ones more just back to back to back little ones so that might be it too? Less oil to heat up. Also if youre dabbin wax it might be loosin a lot of heat meltin it down to liquid. a lot of heat being 10-20 degrees haha.

Hey man I just made an account on here to talk to you can you email or something? I don't know how to message one here...

Terpfiend · Apr 17, 2014

Sirdabsalot462 said:
I go pretty hot as I like the couch lock-narcotic effect....

So, for my night-time dabs I set it around 510° C= 1000° ish F

Great flavor and effect, but I like the torch better..
I can't really figure out why, but heating with the torch seems to have a more medicinal effect, while the E-nail just gets me super” high”

It's awesome for dabathon events however, we have one every month.

About 20-30 Colorado growers/dabbers gather round the dab station.
Yeeeeee..
I was lucky enough to have it donated to me, because of my disease...

Good times
Photobucket back up...

I would love to post up the box, but I can't jeopardize the gentleman's patent...
Totally DIY-able though...

Waaaaaay to hot bro! You aren't even supposed to really heat the coils that hot for long periods of time. If you want want to enjoy your concentrate leave it around 700 F. I I like mine at 650!

biscuithead · Apr 17, 2014

hey so I know the first time I wired my coil I put the ac to one of the thermocouples and I guess that's when the ssr stopped blinking but now I have replaced everything but the pid and it still wont heat up. could I have messed up the pid or what. I bought replacement flat (180w) and round (250w) gimido coils and the only one I hooked up was flat but when I set to 600 and start autotune nothing changes. do I need do do something to the pid to make it heat up or what could be wrong. I can see the temp on the screen of the pid tho. hopefully someone can help me out but im guna order another pid and use all new parts because I know its wired right

Sirdabsalot462 · Apr 17, 2014

Terpfiend said:
Waaaaaay to hot bro! You aren't even supposed to really heat the coils that hot for long periods of time. If you want want to enjoy your concentrate leave it around 700 F. I I like mine at 650!

Thanks for the tip sir ...

After some study, I have it dialed down to about 450° F

700° F for night time dabs.

Appreciate the feedback though, cheers.

I've also been testing an analog Enail, MUCH cheaper with the same effect...but temps are not quite as precise.

That being said, my temps at first were very high, and too hot...hence the testing.

The gentleman that built the units, suggested the temps I was using at first, I was still getting a very nice flavor and a very nice effect.

But, after turning temps down...the taste and effect improved.

budbro18 · Apr 18, 2014

biscuithead said:
hey so I know the first time I wired my coil I put the ac to one of the thermocouples and I guess that's when the ssr stopped blinking but now I have replaced everything but the pid and it still wont heat up. could I have messed up the pid or what. I bought replacement flat (180w) and round (250w) gimido coils and the only one I hooked up was flat but when I set to 600 and start autotune nothing changes. do I need do do something to the pid to make it heat up or what could be wrong. I can see the temp on the screen of the pid tho. hopefully someone can help me out but im guna order another pid and use all new parts because I know its wired right

Im not sure man. Do you have your +/- hooked up right for controlling your ssr?? Having those backwards could do it.

watdaheo808 · Apr 18, 2014

biscuithead said:
hey so I know the first time I wired my coil I put the ac to one of the thermocouples and I guess that's when the ssr stopped blinking but now I have replaced everything but the pid and it still wont heat up. could I have messed up the pid or what. I bought replacement flat (180w) and round (250w) gimido coils and the only one I hooked up was flat but when I set to 600 and start autotune nothing changes. do I need do do something to the pid to make it heat up or what could be wrong. I can see the temp on the screen of the pid tho. hopefully someone can help me out but im guna order another pid and use all new parts because I know its wired right

What brand PID are you using? Is it a mypin? If it is, you're not suppose to use the autotune function at all. It can and will blow out your coil from what I've heard..

budbro18 · Apr 18, 2014

I use auber. Worth it and not that much more expensive. Make good SSRs too.

budbro18 · Apr 19, 2014

Blue dream shatter

buckfiddy · Apr 26, 2014

i have the mypin temp controller and right when i turn it on my coil gets really hot without me pressing set does any know what the problem is and i set the P,I,D to the setting they gave on reddit

buckfiddy · Apr 26, 2014

tharealmclovin said:
Had issues soldering my connections too. I am still missing a switch and just hardwired the Coil for now. I am testing and will hopefully get everything connected in the next few days with solder.

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what are your setting on your pid or how did you do it

watdaheo808 · Apr 27, 2014

buckfiddy said:
i have the mypin temp controller and right when i turn it on my coil gets really hot without me pressing set does any know what the problem is and i set the P,I,D to the setting they gave on reddit

Check that you have it set to the right thermocouple for the coil (K or J) and make sure you have it set to Fahrenheit. Otherwise your PID settings are a bit off.

buckfiddy · Apr 28, 2014

watdaheo808 said:
Check that you have it set to the right thermocouple for the coil (K or J) and make sure you have it set to Fahrenheit. Otherwise your PID settings are a bit off.

i have a 10mm d-nail coil and its on Fahrenheit and its on K.. idk if any of the other settings are messed up

watdaheo808 · Apr 29, 2014

buckfiddy said:
i have a 10mm d-nail coil and its on Fahrenheit and its on K.. idk if any of the other settings are messed up

How much does your e-nail overshoot by? Also does it glow red after you turn it on or does it slowly heat up then dim down? If you're using the D-nail coils, you should jump on reddit and test out the PID settings people posted up.
Here's something I got online that might help -

if it overshoots a lot and oscillates, either the integral gain needs to be increased or all gains should be reduced
Too much overshoot? Increase D, decrease P.
Response too damped? Increase P.
Ramps up quickly to a value below target temperature (0-160 fast) and then slows down as it approaches target (160-170 slow, 170-180 really slow, etc) temperature? Try increasing the I constant.

jdee · Apr 29, 2014

I also noticed there was a difference in PID settings if the heater was 100w vs 250w for example

buckfiddy · Apr 29, 2014

watdaheo808 said:
How much does your e-nail overshoot by? Also does it glow red after you turn it on or does it slowly heat up then dim down? If you're using the D-nail coils, you should jump on reddit and test out the PID settings people posted up.
Here's something I got online that might help -

if it overshoots a lot and oscillates, either the integral gain needs to be increased or all gains should be reduced

Too much overshoot? Increase D, decrease P.

Response too damped? Increase P.

Ramps up quickly to a value below target temperature (0-160 fast) and then slows down as it approaches target (160-170 slow, 170-180 really slow, etc) temperature? Try increasing the I constant.

when i turn it on it starts to glow red and ill try playing with the settings and get some pics on here

budbro18 · May 3, 2014

Yeah 100w coils need very different PID settings. Sorry ive been away so long internet doesnt get set up for another few days.

Thats why i HIGHLY recommend auber PID controllers. Theyre barely more expensive than the mypins but their autotune is on point. As well as their Ai that is always monitoring and adjusting to whatever you have plugged in. So even with i plugged it in for the first time it shoots up to temp but doesnt over shoot by too much. I turned it down to a cooler temp and autotuned it. Ran it up to full temp after that to see how it was. Then killed it til it cooled down for a few hours. Then autotuned it to 700F and it worked like a charm ever since.

HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND AUBER PID and SSR.

buckfiddy · May 3, 2014

Thanks I'll will look In to the pid is there a certain model that you prefer...and would this work better

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