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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Situation420 said:
Also, just because someone gives sound advice, does not necessarily mean that they give the best advice.
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Works both ways. Just because someone says it and it seems popular does not mean it's correct. I'm going to give you a challenge. I want you to find a legitimate, normal gardening website (that does not apply to IC Rag, RIU, Cannabis World, etc.) and present your position to folks that are professionally schooled and trained in horticulture. Bounce it around a bit using some plant - tomatoes, peppers, herbs, pecans.....and see where you get. Use hemp, tell them you're from France.

Here's one of the best - http://www.gardenweb.com/

Talk it over with Dr. Chalker-Scott. She's very approachable, won't make you feel like a dummy, sharp as a tack and really knows her shit. Seriously, give her a call.

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/index.html

UB
 
grimreefer24601

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Hey UB, do you grow any actual tomatoes? I hear people all the time talking about single stemming them. I personally let mine get 8' tall and 4' wide, and I assume you'd do the same. My sister is one who argues with me about it. But her plants look like crap compared to mine. A lot of people do stand behind single stemming, but it seems to me a waste. I've seen threads like this on gardenweb.com regarding tomatoes. I personally think my tomatoes do much better when I just let them grow. Same with cannabis.
 
Situation420

Situation420

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Uncle Ben said:
Then you're not looking hard enough. Best bet is to go fetch and while you're at it pick up a book on indoor horticulture. Oh I forgot, you've only been here since last month, and talk like you've seen my hundreds of photos and thousands of posts from a dozen websites for the last 15 years.

You newbies are all alike. You drift into cannabis forums like some big swinging dick, charging like a bull in a china store thinking you're so fuckin' smart and gonna tear the "old folks" a new asshole. Well, hi, I'm Uncle Ben, glad to meet you. You best watch out for my Uncle Ben Dover....if you think I'm bad. :hump:

Sorry, but only cannabis forum tards, primarily newbies, butcher their plants. I have never known a commercial greenhouse operator defoliate anything whether it be tomatoes, mums, poinsettia or any annuals. I wouldn't dare discuss it with them for starts. They'd automatically consider me a complete idiot who knows nothing about what makes plants tick. (And they'd be right.)

Having said that, there is nothing you've presented that can be confirmed, verified or truthfully acknowledged by your anecdotal evidence and a photo of some good genetics, indica mutts.

Give me those genetics. I'll show you what a pot plant is supposed to look like. ;) Like to see what the grower could do with sativa, hah!

UB
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Looks like someone got a little salty when they saw how well defoliation can get put to use haha. For your information, those plants are 70% sativa, 30% indica so saying that they are just mutts and get that big for that reason is a good excuse to keep on shooting down the defoliation approach. Also, as to your challenge to go any horticulture website and talk to any professionals doesn't prove anything except that they agree or disagree with what I am saying. I just see the results for myself and these pics support it.

Why must all you guys that have been on this site for so long have to jump all over "noobs" the minute they start using this site posting on threads. I agree some of the noobs say some pretty retarded things, but you guys associate that with all new members. Since day once I saw how this site works. One person comes in and shoots down the noob, the noob replies back, then that guys friends all come into the thread and turn it into a shitfest and post all their awesome pics that they have from the past 10 years lol. Honestly UB, you and about 3 or 4 other people on this site I know of I can say I respect their opinions. They provide accurate and good advice even though I always don't have the same views as them, they are not going to destroy someones hard work and all the effort they put in.
 
Alexander Supertramp

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There are only 2 things defoliators agree on. One is pics are enough proof. And second it will increase yield. The rest has absolutely no continuity what so ever from grower to grower, besides the excuses that is...
 
PJ Diaz

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Alexander Supertramp said:
There are only 2 things defoliators agree on. One is pics are enough proof. And second it will increase yield. The rest has absolutely no continuity what so ever from grower to grower, besides the excuses that is...
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Heartland Hank said something similar a couple of pages back, and I reminded him of the additional aspect of increased air circulation. Haven't really heard from him since.
 
Situation420

Situation420

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PJ Diaz said:
Heartland Hank said something similar a couple of pages back, and I reminded him of the additional aspect of increased air circulation. Haven't really heard from him since.
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Yea, it's like our supporting evidence does not matter and is wrong, but all of theirs must be right because that is how its been since the dawn of time lol. I dunno, I like big buds and huge yields. I guess it up for people to experiment on their own if they really want to know.
 
Fazer1rlg

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Situation420 said:
Looks like someone got a little salty when they saw how well defoliation can get put to use haha. For your information, those plants are 70% sativa, 30% indica so saying that they are just mutts and get that big for that reason is a good excuse to keep on shooting down the defoliation approach. Also, as to your challenge to go any horticulture website and talk to any professionals doesn't prove anything except that they agree or disagree with what I am saying. I just see the results for myself and these pics support it.

Why must all you guys that have been on this site for so long have to jump all over "noobs" the minute they start using this site posting on threads. I agree some of the noobs say some pretty retarded things, but you guys associate that with all new members. Since day once I saw how this site works. One person comes in and shoots down the noob, the noob replies back, then that guys friends all come into the thread and turn it into a shitfest and post all their awesome pics that they have from the past 10 years lol. Honestly UB, you and about 3 or 4 other people on this site I know of I can say I respect their opinions. They provide accurate and good advice even though I always don't have the same views as them, they are not going to destroy someones hard work and all the effort they put in.
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U really think keeftreez pulled 12 Oz of that one plant then u must have never seen a 12oz plant before. Tha guy is bullshitting all the way. His plants are so stunted from defoliation, that they don't even use his full screen of space where there could be more buds. I have tried this dude keeftreez technique and it doesn't work. Ub refers to noobs using these techs is because its true noobs are always looking up ways to get a bigger harvest before they have even grown a plant out. And what comes up these stupid hi yield defoliation posts by keeftreez. I would like to see one of you "defoliators" do a side by side.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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grimreefer24601 said:
Hey UB, do you grow any actual tomatoes? I hear people all the time talking about single stemming them. I personally let mine get 8' tall and 4' wide, and I assume you'd do the same. My sister is one who argues with me about it. But her plants look like crap compared to mine. A lot of people do stand behind single stemming, but it seems to me a waste. I've seen threads like this on gardenweb.com regarding tomatoes. I personally think my tomatoes do much better when I just let them grow. Same with cannabis.
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Ditto. Mine finish out about 7'H X 5' wide. Let 'em go/grow. I use very large tomato cages made out of 5' wide concrete reinforcing mesh. I'm a variety freak. Try getting your hands on BHN602 aka 'Rodeo' for next season. Unbelievable!
 
Alexander Supertramp

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Situation420 said:
Yea, it's like our supporting evidence does not matter and is wrong, but all of theirs must be right because that is how its been since the dawn of time lol. I dunno, I like big buds and huge yields. I guess it up for people to experiment on their own if they really want to know.
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Only proof presented has been a few pictures and claims. All of which are circumstantial at best.
 
blacksun

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PJ Diaz said:
Heartland Hank said something similar a couple of pages back, and I reminded him of the additional aspect of increased air circulation. Haven't really heard from him since.
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If you get mold, mildew, or have heat or other air circulation issues just because you didn't hack your plant into pieces, you have a hell of a lot more problems than you think.

Why not find a way to dial in your grow room without plant mutilation being a requirement...?
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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blacksun said:
If you get mold, mildew, or have heat or other air circulation issues just because you didn't hack your plant into pieces, you have a hell of a lot more problems than you think.

Why not find a way to dial in your grow room without plant mutilation being a requirement...?
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Why don't you take the time to read my previous posts before assuming you know my situation?
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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grimreefer24601 said:
Hey UB, do you grow any actual tomatoes? I hear people all the time talking about single stemming them. I personally let mine get 8' tall and 4' wide, and I assume you'd do the same. My sister is one who argues with me about it. But her plants look like crap compared to mine. A lot of people do stand behind single stemming, but it seems to me a waste. I've seen threads like this on gardenweb.com regarding tomatoes. I personally think my tomatoes do much better when I just let them grow. Same with cannabis.
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Looks like they removed a few leaves from the tomato plants in the greenhouse of my local college. Damn professors and their PhD's, what the heck do they know?



BTW, these are grown in bato buckets and produce fruit from October to June.
 
blacksun

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PJ Diaz said:
Why don't you take the time to read my previous posts before assuming you know my situation?
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You mentioned increased air circulation as a justification to why mutilating a plant is a good thing.

Is there some benefit of increased air circulation that I did not cover?

Or are you just deflecting a post you don't have a retort for?
 
Situation420

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Fazer1rlg said:
U really think keeftreez pulled 12 Oz of that one plant then u must have never seen a 12oz plant before. Tha guy is bullshitting all the way. His plants are so stunted from defoliation, that they don't even use his full screen of space where there could be more buds. I have tried this dude keeftreez technique and it doesn't work. Ub refers to noobs using these techs is because its true noobs are always looking up ways to get a bigger harvest before they have even grown a plant out. And what comes up these stupid hi yield defoliation posts by keeftreez. I would like to see one of you "defoliators" do a side by side.
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First off, yes it is possible. He never said it was 12 oz. dried either. That is not what I was focusing on, I was talking about the fact that he understands you can defoliate without having the same effects as the nay sayers are claiming in this thread. Also, if you look at his photos, they are bigger than the ones people have posted in this thread with their leafy plants and all their experience. I clearly referred to the fact that it is ok to defoliate during veg but no later than the first week of flowering.

I think it's funny how you also tried his technique once and claim that it doesn't work. So when you do something once, your an expert now? haha. I think that you should sit back and watch someone show you how to do it before you shoot it down because it didn't work out for you so well.
 
Fazer1rlg

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Situation420 said:
First off, yes it is possible. He never said it was 12 oz. dried either. That is not what I was focusing on, I was talking about the fact that he understands you can defoliate without having the same effects as the nay sayers are claiming in this thread. Also, if you look at his photos, they are bigger than the ones people have posted in this thread with their leafy plants and all their experience. I clearly referred to the fact that it is ok to defoliate during veg but no later than the first week of flowering.

I think it's funny how you also tried his technique once and claim that it doesn't work. So when you do something once, your an expert now? haha. I think that you should sit back and watch someone show you how to do it before you shoot it down because it didn't work out for you so well.
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First off, no one said they were an expert just stating my opinion. And I did do it right I followed his post to a key and it doesn't work from my experience. It's obvious those aren't 12 oz plants. Dude says it all throughout his original post on Icmag I have read the whole damn thing. How do you know he didnt grow the plant out with its leaves he whole time and take pictures after he de fan leafed it before harvest? Lets see you do a side by side then since you do it everything right. I think it's funny how none of you "defoliators" have a side by side.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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blacksun said:
You mentioned increased air circulation as a justification to why mutilating a plant is a good thing.

Is there some benefit of increased air circulation that I did not cover?

Or are you just deflecting a post you don't have a retort for?
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I simply don't feel the need nor have the energy to readdress an issue I've already covered in depth just a few pages back for someone too lazy to look.
 
Situation420

Situation420

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Fazer1rlg said:
First off, no one said they were an expert just stating my opinion. And I did do it right I followed his post to a key and it doesn't work from my experience. It's obvious those aren't 12 oz plants. Dude says it all throughout his original post on Icmag I have read the whole damn thing. How do you know he didnt grow the plant out with its leaves he whole time and take pictures after he de fan leafed it before harvest? Lets see you do a side by side then since you do it everything right. I think it's funny how none of you "defoliators" have a side by side.
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His post was just an example of defoliating working for someone, that is all I was saying. I dont do side by sides for the internet because I have already seen it a work a dozen times myself. That requires a whole other setup to do and all I would get out of it is a few people that still don't agree or have their own opinions. I like big buds, how bout you?
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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Situation420 said:
His post was just an example of defoliating working for someone, that is all I was saying. I dont do side by sides for the internet because I have already seen it a work a dozen times myself. That requires a whole other setup to do and all I would get out of it is a few people that still don't agree or have their own opinions. I like big buds, how bout you?
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You have been growing for only 3 years yet have seen it work dozens of times. You are a flat out liar. Not the first trap you have caught yourself in. And I prefer a nice big yield over a few big buds.
 
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