rsvp_gardens
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We grow flowers not leaves. So, by removing the leaves when the plant is really ready to take off in bloom you want to direct all the energy into growing the flower.
Defoliating In flower??
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INF Flux
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This is all dependant on if/how much you train your plants. Someone doing no training should have little need to defoliate. If you use a style similar to mine with many tops on each plant, defoliating becomes a must as it allows light to reach the lower bud sites and air to circulate.
Personally I don't use a schedule or all at once thing, I remove fan leaves as needed, when needed. Let the light and air through and healthy plants don't skip a beat.
Personally I don't use a schedule or all at once thing, I remove fan leaves as needed, when needed. Let the light and air through and healthy plants don't skip a beat.
Zephyrs
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Wow, ignorance at it's best. But ok dude if your ok with pencil sized buds then that's your thing I suspect. Whatever homie all to there own
rsvp_gardens
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Ya true when I grow plants in their natural structure I still defoliate but nowhere near as much
Kingrow1
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Leaves are not energy sinks but sources, your statement about leves is fundamentally wrong and as soon as a leaf requires more energy than it produces the plant defoliates without our help.
You could assume any leaft the plant keeps green and holds onto is profitable by default and cutting these off dosent refirect energy but reduces the total availqble
xtsho
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You don't have a clue. The damn plant takes what it needs. Removing leaves doesn't magically make energy flow to the buds. The damn leaves are what powers the plant. Look up photosynthesis.
rsvp_gardens
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I never said it takes more energy than it produces. I said it takes energy. energy that doesn't have to be spent on leaf growth if there is no leaf. It's more about understanding what the plant is doing at that point in its life and at the point when its time to start stacking buds air flow and light penetration is whats important. And as long as the leaf is there the plant will put energy into it, whether it needs it or not, that's why leaves continue to get bigger if you leave them on. So by removing the leaves you're not allowing the plant to spend energy on growing leaves because at this point we're not trying to grow leaves.Leaves are not energy sinks but sources, your statement about leves is fundamentally wrong and as soon as a leaf requires more energy than it produces the plant defoliates without our help.
You could assume any leaft the plant keeps green and holds onto is profitable by default and cutting these off dosent refirect energy but reduces the total availqble
rsvp_gardens
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No magic just common sense. If theres no leaf then theres no energy going into leaf growth so by removing the leaves youre not allowing the plant to focus on leaf growth it only has to focus on flower growth. And yes please look up photosynthesis because light powers plants not leaves. The point of removing the leaves is so flower sites are exposed to as much light as possible
Kingrow1
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Are you fucking dumb mate? The leaf will provide more energy than it uses meaning an increase in total energy budget.
How the fuck is a plant meant to grow if a leaf uses more energy than it produces Einstein?
God you get one everyday here......
rsvp_gardens
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You get one here everyday cause youre here...lol just kidding homie all positive vibes over here... but I don't think you're reading what im saying. I never said leaves use more energy than they produce. What im saying is... leaves require energy (not more than they produce but they still require energy) so if the leaves are there the plant will spend energy on growing the leaves. If theyre not there, the plant wont spend energy on growing them.Are you fucking dumb mate? The leaf will provide more energy than it uses meaning an increase in total energy budget.
How the fuck is a plant meant to grow if a leaf uses more energy than it produces Einstein?
God you get one everyday here......
Kingrow1
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Dude if a leaf makes more energy than it requires you understand that this is more energy than not having a leaf.
I cannot make this any simpler and no there is never a need to defoliate to try and increase energy as this simply wont work as after millions of years of evolution the plant has this sorted.
Your saying more bud grows on a plant with less leaves, this has never been the case
Thundercat
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That's not what happens when people "defoliate" and strip the leaves off though. I've seen it over and over the plant grows back more leaves when you cut them all off.
I'm all for selective pruning. Removing a few leaves through the grow that might be in the way of a budsite or sucker branches that really are a waste of plant energy. If leaves get damaged I'll usually remove them or if I need better air flow I'll take a couple out here or there.
Different parts of the plant do different jobs. Buds do not photosynthesis, leaves do. The roots uptake the nutrients, the vascular system transfers everything. The leaves create energy to turn those nutrient building blocks into more plant matter. When it's flower time most of that plant matter will be the buds.
CannaBruh
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It doesn't grow back more leaves... we've been over this. The same leaves that WILL grow whether you strip are not are going to grow once the fans are all stripped.
Your buds are strictly stacked calyx and no leaflets? weird.. can I get that cut would be a trimmer's dream.
rsvp_gardens
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When I talk about defoliating im not saying remove every single leaf and strip the plant completely. Use your head and remove leaves arent doing anything significantly positive because air flow and light penetration is more important that an excessive amount of leaves and like you said the rest of the leaves will continue to grow so basically the ones being cut off are being replaced (in a sense not like leaves are actually replacing the leaves you cut off). And maybe we have different definitions of "pruning" but to me pruning is removing branches and defoliating is removing leaves. But yes, we're basically talking about the same thing selective pruning or selective defoliating whatever you want to call it.
CannaBruh
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When I talk about leaf strip, I am talking about removing every leaf that has a stem at some few mm in length. You might lose some quantifiable yield but without #s from actual observations this conversation isn't much of interest.
Having stripped these leaves numbers of times I can share my observations while there may be some loss of yield in the main tops the weight overall isn't a loss that I can quantify.
The gains made in airflow, light penetration (lowers increase) and added benefits of mitigating mold are more payoff than the weight lost in a strip.
The plant won't magically create new leaves it otherwise couldn't have had you not removed the leaves with stems. It grows as normal as it would without the leaves you took, it does appear to grow new leaves but these leaves would have grown anyways.
Small scale growers & micro growers as well as others that grow huge dense bushes take advantage of removing leaves for the payoff.
Some like me and GML have removed nearly all leaves in flower and had successful harvests as a result.
Naysayers should offer photos and documentation vs speculation and conjecture.
Having stripped these leaves numbers of times I can share my observations while there may be some loss of yield in the main tops the weight overall isn't a loss that I can quantify.
The gains made in airflow, light penetration (lowers increase) and added benefits of mitigating mold are more payoff than the weight lost in a strip.
The plant won't magically create new leaves it otherwise couldn't have had you not removed the leaves with stems. It grows as normal as it would without the leaves you took, it does appear to grow new leaves but these leaves would have grown anyways.
Small scale growers & micro growers as well as others that grow huge dense bushes take advantage of removing leaves for the payoff.
Some like me and GML have removed nearly all leaves in flower and had successful harvests as a result.
Naysayers should offer photos and documentation vs speculation and conjecture.
rsvp_gardens
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Sounds like you take off more than I do but im still 100% with you on heavy defoliation. And ya there is no new leaves just the ones left on will continue to grow and theyd still grow even if you didn't defoliate.
Kingrow1
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I can take a photo of a stick and a stick with leaves, the one with leaves yeilds more always.... You saying less leaves equals more yeild?
just come out with the statement of your intent i.e. defoliating increases yeilds or dosent
rsvp_gardens
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Defoliating increases yeilds. You'll have fatter denser budsI can take a photo of a stick and a stick with leaves, the one with leaves yeilds more always.... You saying less leaves equals more yeild?
just come out with the statement of your intent i.e. defoliating increases yeilds or dosent
rsvp_gardens
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Let me rephrase that. Defoliating increases yeild of quality buds. They will be fatter and denser. If you want a huge yeild of a bunch of boof no ones stopping you but I enjoy high grade flower