December 21, 2012. Doomsday?

DudeLebowski said:

Im not 100% but i dont think it was an "astronomical event"...

last time i looked (which was several weeks ago, sorry if im wrong) they were making claims that it was the end of the mayan system of time as they knew it [armageddon (not that any of their dead sorry selves get to see it because they were already entirely wiped out)] is set to occur on said date.

starting a new age or new system of time.

(because when something ends something else must begin right?)

eh...idk thats just from what i remember reading from a couple sources on the topic but maybe i just read the reaaaaaaally sketchy "end of the world" websites

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If the Mayans perdicted it, then it must have something to do with astonomy. They knew more about the way the universe is unraveling more then the modern man, their lives depended on constantly monitering the skies. Why not believe someone who has more knowledge of the stars then you?

because these all knowledgable persons took part in ritual suicide, sacraficial virgins the whole nine.

i think the dogons are better in they astronomical field, what considering their profecies involve ganj and the critters that brought em here....(it has to do with their supreme knowledge of the stars just investigate im too high to type, i can only assume you're too high to then inturn investigate though)

but as far as them being smarter...sorry im reading them up on the internet right now, not the other way around. someone so smart should still be around to slap me in the face for this no?

DudeLebowski said:

someone so smart should still be around to slap me in the face for this no?

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Not if they we're slaughtered by the Spaniards who took their lands in the 1300's.

thats what im saying...

these ever so smarty mc smartiepants' were entirely wiped out by doodz they thought were marvelously shiney. read that one over again and roll it around.those are the guys i wanna cheat off of for my upcoming exam /sarcasm

Just because they we're smart doesn't mean that they we're violent warlords like the Vikings who could defend themselves from the arrival of the white man.

fight or flight? (instinct)

Who said the Mayans went EXTINCT? More like they used all their trees for fire wood and ashes to make morter. They had to move away from their cities, do you think The Northern South American peoples just appeared out of thin air?

DudeLebowski said:

because these all knowledgable persons took part in ritual suicide, sacraficial virgins the whole nine.

i think the dogons are better in they astronomical field, what considering their profecies involve ganj and the critters that brought em here....(it has to do with their supreme knowledge of the stars just investigate im too high to type, i can only assume you're too high to then inturn investigate though)

but as far as them being smarter...sorry im reading them up on the internet right now, not the other way around. someone so smart should still be around to slap me in the face for this no?

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Where is Isac, Albert, Leonardo, etc.

For some reason none of my replies are actually showing up in the forums and it's really starting to piss me the fuck off.

ANYWAY

I already posted this earlier but it didn't show up.

If any of you have facebook, there is a group dedicated to having an 'End of the World Party'
Here's the link if anyone's interested: Login | Facebook

Here's a link to an informative website that the group uses also.
21.12.2012 Prophecy End of time End of the world

^^ Not sure if that's already been posted.

How can some of you say that this is all 'internet hype?'

Did you read about all of the stuff that is supposed to happen on this EXACT day that has nothing to even do with the Mayans? Some of this is pure science.

The fact of the matter is on 12/21/2012 a lot of thinks will be happening that have never happened before/not happened in a really long time.

We're embarking on the unknown.

Everyone has a right to their opinions, but man, you have to believe that SOMETHING is going happen. It WONT just be another day

dam whys shit gotta happen on my birthday and also december 21 is the shortest day of the year maybe that has somethen to do also who nos


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brontobrandon1 said:

dam whys shit gotta happen on my birthday and also december 21 is the shortest day of the year maybe that has somethen to do also who nos


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You'll just party extra hard. Someone else said the same thing earlier.

brontobrandon1 said:

dam whys shit gotta happen on my birthday and also december 21 is the shortest day of the year maybe that has somethen to do also who nos


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The great conjunction is on your birthday.
You must be a very lucky guy

Has anyone ever heard of LAKE NYOS?

There is a scientist who thinks the oceans will erupt methane gass into our atmospher. He also believes this is what took out 95% of life right before the triassic(sp?) period of earth.

I'm still sayin' it's my birthday. That's IT. Oh, and the start of a new 'age'.

I think its bullshit

Never heard of it until now. Here's a brief description for everyone else:

Lake Nyos is a crater lake in the Northwest Province of Cameroon. Nyos is a deep lake high on the flank of an inactive volcano in the Oku volcanic plain along the Cameroon line of volcanic activity. A natural dam of volcanic rock hems in the lake waters.
A pocket of magma lies beneath the lake and leaks carbon dioxide (CO2) into the waters. Nyos is one of only three known lakes to be saturated with carbon dioxide in this way, the others being Lake Monoun, at a distance of 100 km SSE, and Lake Kivu in Rwanda. On 21 August 1986, possibly triggered by a landslide, the lake suddenly emitted a large cloud of CO2, which suffocated 1,700 people and 3,500 livestock in nearby villages.[1] Though not completely unprecedented, it was the first known large-scale asphyxiation caused by a natural event. To prevent a repetition, a degassing tube was installed in 2001, though additional tubes are needed to make the lake safe.[2]
Today, the lake also poses a threat due to its weakening natural wall. A geological tremor could cause this dike to give way, allowing water to rush into downstream villages all the way into Nigeria.

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Lake Nyos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Eart is shifted on it's axis in any way, I can see how these lakes could be a major factor.

OK - i'm on this thread now - GREAT CONJUNCTIONS happen all the time!! The planets revolve around the sun so line up very, very often (astronomically speaking). The Earth, Sun and galactic center are in a line twice EVERY year (at least). The Sun is releasing solar flares all the time - very rarely do they interfere with terrestrial electronics. But earthquakes and floods? come on! we know what causes those and it ain't the way the planets line up... ever. also note - there is a black hole at the center of our galaxy (the Milky Way) - in fact a back hole resides at the center of most galaxies. But a browse through any recent astronomical publication can tell you that.

and Noah's flood? really? that is a biblical event so you can't read it as history and besides, it is well known that all cultures in that region have a global-flood myth after one year the Euphrates overflowed (it overflows every year like the Nile, Amazon, etc..) but this particular year it was bad (it rained for days on end - not forty days and nights but about 5 solid days and nights of rain) and the flooding was severe and a lot of people lost their lives. A Sumerian king (Ziusudra i think) loaded up a boat with animals and other goods to distribute (or sell not clear which) to the flood victims and voila! instant mythical flood story (and the real story behind it).

Precession - it is a 26,000 cycle. It is the wobble in the Earth's axis. So the Earth is rotating once about every 24 hours (a day) and revolving or going around the Sun every 365 days or so (a year) but it also wobbles on its axis - like a spinning top. That wobble takes 26,000 years (or thereabouts) to draw one circle. Look up precession in wiki - it has a great little spinning top to demonstrate it.

And to say the Mayan's calendar is so much more accurate than ours is nonsense. Accurate compared to what? Time is a man-made concept and we use astronomical events to mark time - as a convenience. A day could just as easily be 20 hours or 10 - but we chose to base it on day/night cycles. And it isn't even a more accurate astronomical event predictor - because of precession! the very thing you think makes it most accurate is the very thing that causes it to "lose" time because it doesn't take precession into account. Even the astrologers (a bunch of bullshit artists btw) take precession into account when they babble about what "house" your zodiac sign is in (though they do this inaccurately)?

And while i'm on the subject of zodiac signs - how many here are born in the first two weeks of December? I don't know how to tell you this but your birth sign is Ophiuchus (oh-fee-cuss) or (oh-fee-ah-cuss) - what? the astrologers never heard of that one i guess. Oh wait - that is because it would be the 13th zodiac sign and we all know 13 is an unlucky number.
... and this BS continues to be believed.

Well that went nowhere. Like I said before....only time will tell. However, I will have to argue about the Mayan calender being the most precise.

Among their other accomplishments, the ancient Mayas invented a calendar of remarkable accuracy and complexity. At right is the ancient Mayan Pyramid Chichen Itza, Yucatan, Mexico. The Pyramid of Kukulkan at Chichén Itzá, constructed circa 1050 was built during the late Mayan period, when Toltecs from Tula became politically powerful. The pyramid was used as a calendar: four stairways, each with 91 steps and a platform at the top, making a total of 365, equivalent to the number of days in a calendar year.

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History & info - the Mayan calendar

When it comes to explaining the meaning of the Mayan Calendar in the larger perspective, Jenkins’ idea is essentially that the Mayan Long Count, the 5,200 tun (tun = 360-day period) cycle that ends December 21, 2012, is really nothing but an attempt to calibrate a fifth of a precessional cycle of the earth, a cycle which is currently estimated by modern astronomers to approximately 25,920 years. At the ending date of the Long Count Jenkins supposedly identifies an alignment of the Midwinter Solstice sun with the galactic center. He also claims that this event is what the Maya had targeted and had hit on with some super human accuracy. Since Jenkins surmises that the precessional cycle is relevant for the changing of the ages he then postulates that a new age, corresponding to a new precessional cycle, will begin at the end of the Long Count. His basic assumption is thus that the Mayan calendar is based on an astronomical, or physical, cycle; the precessional cycle of the earth.

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The True Meaning of the Mayan Calendar

Another important calendar for the Maya was the Venus cycle. The Maya were skilled astronomers, and could calculate the Venus cycle with extreme accuracy.

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Maya calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The accuracy of the Mayan calendar was amazing. The old calendar had 18 months and 20 days each. There was a name for each month and day, and at the end of the year there were 5 extra days belonging to no particular month. The calendar showed 28 weeks, each of 13 numbered days or a total of 364 days with only one day left over. The Mayan calendar is one of the most accurate in all the world and considering that the Mayan long count or the beginning of their calendar took place in 3113 B.C. one has to re-consider how these people were able to understand with such accuracy the movements of the planetary bodies around the earth.

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Van De Bogart


I could go on for hours with this but I'll stop here. Your saying that all of these people are wrong? The Mayans based their calender off of the celestial cycles which IMO is pretty damn accurate.

What I am saying (apparently not very clearly) is NO calendar is more accurate since they are all based on an arbitrary event.
It is the celestial objects that are giving us the accuracy - not the other way around. Another words, if you base a calendar on astronomical events then it will be accurate - because it is arbitrary. I'm not saying that they didn't achieve some great accomplishments because they did. But no better than any other primitive peoples and at a much later date that the folks in the fertile crescent area.

But if you'd like me to nitpick - I will go in order..
1) so the calendar is accurate within a day - holy cow! amazing.
2) they were off by a year and some guy picks an arbitrary occurrence and says the calendar predicts it? this ain't even close to science my friend. Here is the news - pick any day/time of any epoch and i guarantee you can find some celestial event occurring during that time. Today for example, there is a shadow transit of Europa, and an eclipse of both Ganymede and IO and as a bonus - there is an occultation of IO - oh no! what do we do?
But this guy did worse than that - he picked a great conjunction and then assigned it to the calendar and then worked backwards from that. Very deceitful and complete bunk.
3) as did the Egyptians, Sumerians, Persians, etc.. since Venus is clearly visible and easily studied - while amazing - this is certainly no super-human feat.
4) So they made a calendar that was accurate for 18 months containing 20 days. I'm sure they could make one that was 20 months with 12 days or any other ARBITRARY number in there. This ain't rocket science - an accurate calendar would be worthless so of course the calendar is accurate but it isn't as accurate as our calendar since it measures different things. It's the equivalent to saying a yardstick is better than a meter-stick. Neither is better or more accurate - they are measuring two different things.

You keep giving me these science-free links and then telling me we are getting nowhere. But I present a mountain of scientific evidence and you just send me more pseudo-science which makes me think you don't know the difference.

I have given you evidence that planetary conjunctions mean absolutely nothing for climate/potential for disaster on earth and they sure as hell don't have any effect on solar cycles as one of the many, many non-science links i've browsed thanks to you inferred. And what is your response? you said - we'll see. Not - boy i better study some astronomy or cosmology before these assholes fool me again. Not you - you just keep on believing.

Now i have demonstrated ad naseum the myth of the Mayan calendar prophesy/accuracy and yet you still persist. There are many, many links debunking your claims - what is it about them that makes you not believe them (is it because they are using hard science?) and what is it about the pseudo-science links that make you believe? Is it because you believe in other conspiracies so naturally distrust what scientists say?

I apologize if I am sounding cynical and facetious but I am building a strong case of evidence and you won't budge.

Do you really, I mean really believe that ancient folks are able to predict the end of the world because of a planetary conjunction and modern astronomy /astrophysics and cosmology can not?

If your goal is to convince to believe something without evidence - you have a slight chance - but now you are asking me to believe in something DESPITE the evidence and i'll tell you right now - no way in hell. You might as well try to convert me to some religion - you'll get just as far.

I will conclude by asking for your indulgence if anything I've said is insulting. I mean no disrespect. I am just frustrated debating with someone who isn't swayed by evidence.

Erniedytn said:

Well that went nowhere. Like I said before....only time will tell. However, I will have to argue about the Mayan calender being the most precise.



History & info - the Mayan calendar




The True Meaning of the Mayan Calendar





Maya calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Van De Bogart


I could go on for hours with this but I'll stop here. Your saying that all of these people are wrong? The Mayans based their calender off of the celestial cycles which IMO is pretty damn accurate.

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