Creation, Destruction, Preservation

Finshaggy

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This is the holy trinity. The undeniable forces of the universe...
Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva

Destruction and Restoration. These are Shiva...Destruction is a neccisary force (like when you lose your ego), some things become corrupt, some things time comes, so there are just things in the universe that must be destroyed.
But this is not a bad thing. Destruction makes way for a new creation, or restoration of an old creation.

Shiva (
/ˈʃɪvə/; Sanskrit: शिव Śiva, meaning "auspicious one") is a major Hindu deity, and is the destroyer god or transformer among the Trimurti, the Hindu Trinity of the primary aspects of the divine. God Shiva is a yogi who has notice of everything that happens in the world and is the main aspect of life. Yet one with great power lives a life of a sage at Mount Kailash.[2] In the Shaiva tradition of Hinduism, Shiva is seen as the Supreme God. In the Smarta tradition, he is regarded as one of the five primary forms of God.[3] Followers of Hinduism who focus their worship upon Shiva are called Shaivites or Shaivas (Sanskrit Śaiva).[4] Shaivism, along with Vaiṣṇava traditions that focus on Vishnu and Śākta traditions that focus on the goddess Shakti, is one of the most influential denominations in Hinduism.[3]
Lord Shiva is usually worshipped in the abstract form of Shiva linga. In images, He is represented as a handsome[5] young man[6] immersed in deep meditation or dancing the Tandava upon Apasmara, the demon of ignorance in his manifestation of Nataraja, the Lord of the dance, goodness, humility, and every good quality a human should have. It is said that He looks like an eternal youth because of his authority over death, rebirth and immortality. He is also the father of Ganesha and Murugan (Kartikeya).

In a way destruction is nothing more than a rebirth.

Shiva (Sanskrit: Auspicious One), or Siva, is one of the main Deities of Hinduism, worshipped as the paramount lord by the Saivite sects of India. Shiva is one of the most complex gods of India, embodying seemingly contradictory qualities. He is the destroyer and the restorer, the great ascetic and the symbol of sensuality, the benevolent herdsman of souls and the wrathful avenger.
Shiva was originally known as Rudra, a minor deity addressed only three times in the Rig Veda. He gained importance after absorbing some of the characteristics of an earlier fertility god and became Shiva, part of the trinity, or trimurti, with Vishnu and Brahma.
Shaivism, or Saivism, is one of the most popular Hindu cults. It embraces many theological practices, although all agree on three principles: pati. or God; pasu, or individual soul; and pasa, or bonds that confine the soul to earthly existence. The aim of Shaivites is to rid their souls of bondage and achieve shivata, the "nature of Shiva". They achieve this through ascetic practices and penances, with an emphasis on yoga and renunciation. Many Shaivites become wandering sadhus, or hold men. Shiavites mark their foreheads with three horizontal marks representing the three aspects of Shiva.
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kali_on_shiva.jpgStory of Shiva and Kali​
The love between the Divine Mother and her human children is a unique relationship. Kali, the Dark Mother is one such deity with whom devotees have a very loving and intimate bond, in spite of her fearful appearance. In this relationship, the worshipper becomes a child and Kali assumes the form of the ever-caring mother.
Kali is the fearful and ferocious form of the mother goddess. She assumed the form of a powerful goddess and became popular with the composition of the Devi Mahatmya, a text of the 5th - 6th century AD. Here she is depicted as having born from the brow of Goddess Durga during one of her battles with the evil forces. As the legend goes, in the battle, Kali was so much involved in the killing spree that she got carried away and began destroying everything in sight. To stop her, Lord Shiva threw himself under her feet. Shocked at this sight, Kali stuck out her tongue in astonishment, and put an end to her homicidal rampage. Hence the common image of Kali shows her in her mêlée mood, standing with one foot on Shiva's chest, with her enormous tongue stuck out.​
The Fearful Symmetry

Kali is represented with perhaps the fiercest features amongst all the world's deities. She has four arms, with a sword in one hand and the head of a demon in another. The other two hands bless her worshippers, and say, "fear not"! She has two dead heads for her earrings, a string of skulls as necklace, and a girdle made of human hands as her clothing. Her tongue protrudes from her mouth, her eyes are red, and her face and breasts are sullied with blood. She stands with one foot on the thigh, and another on the chest of her husband, Shiva. Awesome Symbols!

Kali's fierce form is strewed with awesome symbols. Her black complexion symbolizes her all-embracing and transcendental nature. Says the Mahanirvana Tantra: "Just as all colors disappear in black, so all names and forms disappear in her". Her nudity is primeval, fundamental, and transparent like Nature — the earth, sea, and sky. Kali is free from the illusory covering, for she is beyond the all maya or "false consciousness." Kali's garland of fifty human heads that stands for the fifty letters in the Sanskrit alphabet, symbolizes infinite knowledge. Her girdle of severed human hands signifies work and liberation from the cycle of karma. Her white teeth show her inner purity, and her red lolling tongue indicates her omnivorous nature — "her indiscriminate enjoyment of all the world's 'flavors'." Her sword is the destroyer of false consciousness and the eight bonds that bind us.

 

rolly187

Member
isn't the holy trinity a christian thing...
thats as far as i read, too much information for me and my bong to handle at this point in the night.
Is this just an information post? or is there a question or anything debatable in there?
 

Finshaggy

Well-Known Member
isn't the holy trinity a christian thing...
thats as far as i read, too much information for me and my bong to handle at this point in the night.
Is this just an information post? or is there a question or anything debatable in there?
The holy trinity was part of Hinduism before Christianity, or Judaism or anything.

The Rig Veda (Hindu Bible) is the oldest human text we have discovered so far.
 

Finshaggy

Well-Known Member
And yes, you could debate some things in there, such as the importance and necessity of these forces, or any single one of them.

But it is informative, and I will add to it eventually.

Shiva is My God, Myself, My father, My future, and My past.
So I am always learning things about Shiva, and FROM Shiva :)
 

Zaehet Strife

Well-Known Member
The holy trinity was part of Hinduism before Christianity, or Judaism or anything.

The Rig Veda (Hindu Bible) is the oldest human text we have discovered so far.
nuh uh, cave men drew drawings... that was the writing they had back in the day lol. they worshiped the sun, for it provided them with warmth/food/light. love the pics by the way, shiva is the hottest summon on final fantasy.
BESTshiva.jpg
 

mindphuk

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The holy trinity was part of Hinduism before Christianity, or Judaism or anything.

The Rig Veda (Hindu Bible) is the oldest human text we have discovered so far.
"If you were asked to name an old book, you would probably name something by Homer. Perhaps you might think of Beowulf. Someone religiously minded might mention Vedic texts, or perhaps the earliest writings found in the Hebrew Bible. While these literary classics are, indeed, old, a learned library science professional could probably tell you that the earliest books are from the ancient cultures of Mesopotamia and the Middle East: Sumerian, Akkadian and Egyptian."
http://www.masteroflibraryscience.com/the-20-oldest-books-of-all-time.html


http://www.onlinedegree.net/the-10-oldest-books-known-to-man/
Instructions of Shuruppak -- Dating back to circa 3000 BCE

Epic of Etana -- Legendary king of Kish Etana is the subject of an epic dating back to around 2600 BCE

Pyramid Texts -- Considered by most historians, archaeologists, and theologians to be amongst the oldest religious documents in the world, the Pyramid Texts compile together inscriptions found on ancient Egyptian tombs for 10 members of the royal family. The writings accompanying these kings and queens span nearly 250 years, with the earliest discovered in the pyramid of Fifth Dynasty ruler Unas (also referred to as Unis) and dating to somewhere between 2400 and 2300 BCE.

Code of Urukagina -- Widely thought of as the very first political treatise ever committed to writing, what makes the Code of Urukagina unique to the other texts on this list is the fact that nobody has yet to actually unearth it. However, that it exists (or existed at one point) is undisputed. Clay tablets discovered during Urukagina’s reign over Legash between 2380 and 2360 BCE make a number of references to the work.

Palermo Stone - Dating back to the 25th Century BCE

The Wisdom of Ptah-Hotep -- The actual date of the papyrus scrolls that comprise The Wisdom of Ptah-Hotep (occasionally referred to as The Maxims of Ptah-Hotep or The Instructions of Ptah-Hotep) is disputed, with some claiming 2400 BCE and others around 2600 BCE – if not older.

En-hedu-ana’s Hymns -- Frequently considered the very first explicitly named author in recorded history, Sumerian En-hedu-ana (also known as Enheduana or Enheduanna) worked as a high priestess in the service of Nanna, the moon god. The high priestess lived from 2285 to 2250 BCE

The Epic of Gilgamesh -- As with other ancient texts, historians and literary critics cannot pinpoint the exact date when The Epic of Gilgamesh was written, though it was likely around 2000 BCE. Many of the stories – most especially the one involving a massive divine flood intending to eliminate all life on Earth as a means of renewal – likely inspired those found in the Bible and later texts.

The Code of Ur-Nammu -- Written and between 2100 and 2050 BCE, The Code of Ur-Nammu discusses the legal philosophies of the titular Sumerian king.

Coffin Texts -- As with the ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts, the Coffin Texts involve a series of spells and incantations found on sarcophagi throughout the country. Dating back to the Middle Kingdom – which spanned between 2200 and 1800 BCE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas
The Vedas are among the oldest sacred texts. The Samhitas date to roughly 1500–1000 BCE, and the "circum-Vedic" texts, as well as the redaction of the Samhitas, date to c. 1000-500 BCE, resulting in a Vedic period, spanning the mid 2nd to mid 1st millennium BCE, or the Late Bronze Age and the Iron Age

Although the Vedas are indeed old, it is technically incorrect to keep referring to them as the oldest human texts we have discovered.
 

cannawizard

Well-Known Member
And yes, you could debate some things in there, such as the importance and necessity of these forces, or any single one of them.

But it is informative, and I will add to it eventually.

Shiva is My God, Myself, My father, My future, and My past.
So I am always learning things about Shiva, and FROM Shiva :)
**with Love and Respect... i believe its Lord Shiva ;)

--cheers Fin
 

sso

Well-Known Member
lord of the dance and enjoyer of cannabis, lover and a devout husband and artist to boot.

not a bad fellow :)
 

Finshaggy

Well-Known Member
"If you were asked to name an old book, you would probably name something by Homer. Perhaps you might think of Beowulf. Someone religiously minded might mention Vedic texts, or perhaps the earliest writings found in the Hebrew Bible. While these literary classics are, indeed, old, a learned library science professional could probably tell you that the earliest books are from the ancient cultures of Mesopotamia and the Middle East: Sumerian, Akkadian and Egyptian."
http://www.masteroflibraryscience.com/the-20-oldest-books-of-all-time.html


http://www.onlinedegree.net/the-10-oldest-books-known-to-man/
Instructions of Shuruppak -- Dating back to circa 3000 BCE

Epic of Etana -- Legendary king of Kish Etana is the subject of an epic dating back to around 2600 BCE

Pyramid Texts -- Considered by most historians, archaeologists, and theologians to be amongst the oldest religious documents in the world, the Pyramid Texts compile together inscriptions found on ancient Egyptian tombs for 10 members of the royal family. The writings accompanying these kings and queens span nearly 250 years, with the earliest discovered in the pyramid of Fifth Dynasty ruler Unas (also referred to as Unis) and dating to somewhere between 2400 and 2300 BCE.

Code of Urukagina -- Widely thought of as the very first political treatise ever committed to writing, what makes the Code of Urukagina unique to the other texts on this list is the fact that nobody has yet to actually unearth it. However, that it exists (or existed at one point) is undisputed. Clay tablets discovered during Urukagina’s reign over Legash between 2380 and 2360 BCE make a number of references to the work.

Palermo Stone - Dating back to the 25th Century BCE

The Wisdom of Ptah-Hotep -- The actual date of the papyrus scrolls that comprise The Wisdom of Ptah-Hotep (occasionally referred to as The Maxims of Ptah-Hotep or The Instructions of Ptah-Hotep) is disputed, with some claiming 2400 BCE and others around 2600 BCE – if not older.

En-hedu-ana’s Hymns -- Frequently considered the very first explicitly named author in recorded history, Sumerian En-hedu-ana (also known as Enheduana or Enheduanna) worked as a high priestess in the service of Nanna, the moon god. The high priestess lived from 2285 to 2250 BCE

The Epic of Gilgamesh -- As with other ancient texts, historians and literary critics cannot pinpoint the exact date when The Epic of Gilgamesh was written, though it was likely around 2000 BCE. Many of the stories – most especially the one involving a massive divine flood intending to eliminate all life on Earth as a means of renewal – likely inspired those found in the Bible and later texts.

The Code of Ur-Nammu -- Written and between 2100 and 2050 BCE, The Code of Ur-Nammu discusses the legal philosophies of the titular Sumerian king.

Coffin Texts -- As with the ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts, the Coffin Texts involve a series of spells and incantations found on sarcophagi throughout the country. Dating back to the Middle Kingdom – which spanned between 2200 and 1800 BCE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas
The Vedas are among the oldest sacred texts. The Samhitas date to roughly 1500–1000 BCE, and the "circum-Vedic" texts, as well as the redaction of the Samhitas, date to c. 1000-500 BCE, resulting in a Vedic period, spanning the mid 2nd to mid 1st millennium BCE, or the Late Bronze Age and the Iron Age

Although the Vedas are indeed old, it is technically incorrect to keep referring to them as the oldest human texts we have discovered.
I will look these things up.
But I don't believe you, I think this is the ONLY evidence you've ever given of anything.
And usually you are...less than helpful...When it comes to discussion with me :lol: :)
 

Finshaggy

Well-Known Member
It's not about, "Is Shiva still alive in the universe"
It is about, "Can you still hear/feel it?"
 

mindphuk

Well-Known Member
I will look these things up.
But I don't believe you, I think this is the ONLY evidence you've ever given of anything.
And usually you are...less than helpful...When it comes to discussion with me :lol: :)
You know, go fuck yourself. I have always provided any evidence asked for. As for being helpful, when you say stupid incorrect shit, telling you how it is wrong is helpful, that you don't see it that way is not my fault.
 

Beefbisquit

Well-Known Member
I will look these things up.
But I don't believe you, I think this is the ONLY evidence you've ever given of anything.
And usually you are...less than helpful...When it comes to discussion with me :lol: :)
Fin, buddy, pal, old cock....

The evidence is right there man, here let me help; you seem to have trouble with trivial tasks and interpreting the basics of the English language.

CLICK HERE FINSHAGGY

FIRST LINK SAYS THIS;
"The Pyramid Texts were a collection of Egyptian mortuary prayers,
hymns, and spells intended to protect a dead king or queen and ensure
life and sustenance in the hereafter. The texts, inscribed on the
walls of the inner chambers of the pyramids [from c. 2686-c. 2160
BC]., are found at Saqqarah in several 5th- and 6th-dynasty pyramids,
of which that of Unas, last king of the 5th dynasty, is the earliest
known. The texts constitute the oldest surviving body of Egyptian
religious and funerary writings available to modern scholars."

-Encyclopedia Britannia-


SECOND LINK SAYS THIS;
The Rigveda of Hinduism is proposed to have been composed between 1700–1100 BCE[2] making it possibly the world's oldest religious text still in use.

THIRD LINK;
Has a table of written languages used before 1000BC, most of which pre-date the Hindu writings.

Here's an excerpt from just above the table;
"A very limited number of languages are attested from before the Bronze Age collapse and the rise of alphabetic writing: The Sumerian, Hurrian, Hattic and Elamite language isolates, Afro-Asiatic in the form of the Egyptian and a number of ancient Semitic languages, Indo-European (Anatolian languages, Mycenaean Greek and traces of Indo-Aryan[1][2][3]), and Sino-Tibetan (Old Chinese). There are a number of undeciphered Bronze Age records, like the Linear A (encoding a possible "Minoan language", Proto-Elamite and a "Harappan language" (Indus script)."


So, in less than 2 minutes, and by typing 5 words, I proved you wrong.

Seems like 85% of what you say is incorrect based solely on ignorance. All of the evidence is right at your finger tips, you're just too stupid/lazy/stubborn to find it.
 

sso

Well-Known Member
I feel closer than to call him that ;)

More like "Not a bad human phenomenon". Shiva is only a description of what IS. Not a real person/god.
And, you're right. It's not at all :)
ive come to think that many "gods" of ancient past. were just people whose legend just grew and grew.
 

Finshaggy

Well-Known Member
You know, go fuck yourself. I have always provided any evidence asked for. As for being helpful, when you say stupid incorrect shit, telling you how it is wrong is helpful, that you don't see it that way is not my fault.
No you haven't or I wouldn't always ask for evidence, THEN say you never prove anything. And that's ALWAYS how it goes :lol:
 
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