mindphuk
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I think the following essay summarizes my take on this
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/1173181319/
Make sure you read all the way to the bottom of the page.
Correct Use of The Word Energy
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http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/1173181319/
Make sure you read all the way to the bottom of the page.
eye exaggerate
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...I like the be careful part. it's job number one, even in messy times
It's more like exploratory, words and meaning come together here and form something new.
eye exaggerate
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GreenGurl
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MP, I'll just speak for myself and say when I use the word energy, I am hardly ever talking about measurable potential in the exact scientific sense and I am never relying upon others to understand what "energy" means in a scientific sense. However, I would argue that my varied use of that word merely illustrates that my tendency is to discuss the mysterious aspects of life with my friends, over the empirical. And sometimes, making sense of the word is not the point, but like an abstract painter, one may be trying to get as close to "reality" as possible via completely inaccurate or alternative means.There is truth [edit] WHICH CAN BE FOUND in patterns, and really bizarre associations. I will always prefer a really accurate metaphor over empirical description; that's just my intuitive nature. I blame my previous run ins with string theory and duality; Heisenberg should know what I'm talking about.
cannabineer
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Great Scott, mindphuk, that was a mind ... uhh, violation. My cerebellum is sore. cn
GreenGurl
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How perfectly absurd.
Dislexicmidget2021
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Lol,reading that same book myself,great read so far!
eye exaggerate
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...here's something that I just read along those lines: "permanent rotation of the exchange of attributes" <---a given description for energy in a (depth) psychological context. Same, but different. So there's a + symbol and a - symbol. It's to say the 'we' emerge from that rotation 'green'. (neutral)MP, I'll just speak for myself and say when I use the word energy, I am hardly ever talking about measurable potential in the exact scientific sense and I am never relying upon others to understand what "energy" means in a scientific sense. However, I would argue that my varied use of that word merely illustrates that my tendency is to discuss the mysterious aspects of life with my friends, over the empirical. And sometimes, making sense of the word is not the point, but like an abstract painter, one may be trying to get as close to "reality" as possible via completely inaccurate or alternative means.There is truth [edit] WHICH CAN BE FOUND in patterns, and really bizarre associations. I will always prefer a really accurate metaphor over empirical description; that's just my intuitive nature. I blame my previous run ins with string theory and duality; Heisenberg should know what I'm talking about.
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...being as high as I am, I re-read this last post and saw 'us' as a neutral body to receive and hand off energy. Cosmic Hot-Potato
I kid...But really, when I visualize it, I can see it. A neutral body that is the expression of energy - take in too much negative and 'yer 'gravitationally lensed' in that way. Too much positive and 'yer manic. There's a tie-in here (for me) that says energetic centres
) ) in the body are neutral and our understanding of a situation switches from on or off accordingly. We'll either 'hold' the weight of that energy we took in and learn from it, or it passes through us as positive feelings.There, that one was for all who get miffed by the use of 'scientifications'
Beefbisquit
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People misuse a ton of words and chalk it up to subjectivity. Language is useless unless it has objectivity, when truth can be defined by by anyone, to mean anything, it's utterly useless. Language isn't art, and mixing the two and expecting the objectivity of language to seamlessly mix with the subjectivity of art is just silly.
I love the ghost example, some people claim ghosts are pure energy; but we know what energy is. It's quantifiable, it reacts causally with reality, yet ghosts pass through walls without interacting physically with them. Ghosts "shake chains" and bang doors, but can disappear into a "mist"....
Either we have no idea what energy is (lol) or ghosts aren't real.
I love the ghost example, some people claim ghosts are pure energy; but we know what energy is. It's quantifiable, it reacts causally with reality, yet ghosts pass through walls without interacting physically with them. Ghosts "shake chains" and bang doors, but can disappear into a "mist"....
Either we have no idea what energy is (lol) or ghosts aren't real.
cannabineer
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Unfortunately, Beef, ime objectivity is a boundary condition, asymptotic, ever unreachable. Language isn't art or math ... it's a hybrid; neither, both. The words we use, the ideas they [re]present, the very hinge of our perception and cognition ... these things are maddeningly redeemingly subjective. There is no truth, but the wise man collects facts. cn
RyanTheRhino
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Luger187
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hahahahahahahahaah
eye exaggerate
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How perfectly absurd.
[video=youtube;aHun58mz3vI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHun58mz3vI[/video]
Beefbisquit
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How can there be facts without objectivity?
cannabineer
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It is probably a semantic consequence of my not-quite-normal thought processes. Facts are mundane. Truth is an abstraction. I think that solid objectivity requires a basis in truth. It could very well be that my Weltanschauung, and thus my personal semantics, are other-than-consensus (pronounced "out there"). cn
dtp5150
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energy is potential.
sexual energy is the perception of a future sexual encounter. gas is energy in the fact there is potential for it to be burned. a spring is energy in the fact that it can store potential movement or stress or resistance etc.
a motor uses "energy" (electricity which has the potential to do many things) and creates energy ( the ability to move things ), and absorbs energy in the form of heat and friction, which each themselves have potential to do something else.
Thus, energy is never lost or created.
you cannot say that the dynamic of social situations contains no energy. that would just be ignorant. there are reasons terms such as "situations coming to a head" exist, or why people have honeymoons and then get divorced.
People attracting, reacting, and retracting is energy movement.
For example, I think we can all imagine what a dull workplace environment feels like and what a vibrant one feels like.
There are a few dimensions of reality and we cannot limit ourselves to play in just one. Living in just the scientific material world and ignoring the metaphysical world, or the other way around, doesn't create balanced individuals. It is often the mixing of seemingly separate but interrelated concepts that spawn enlightenment.
another way to look at it is this...u see how some people get all the luck in the world? liked by everyone and praised? They get all kinds of good awesome nurturing energy from everyone donated in little chunks, get the awesome job huge paychecks .wealthy and family life luck all over the place. Well, they are usually very nice and donate to charity and whatever, to spread the good energy around, show them just how awesome life can be. This energy in the form of gifts and whatever makes other people feel good. So its a chain of energy starting from people giving another the courage/social responsibilty to spread the goodness around. This also works with the energy, or momentum, of bad agendas. people who are abused, littered with bad energy, often spread this bad energy around. Theres many ways to see this concept. Its all based on potential. Example of bad energy: Being in the same room as a psychopath murderer who kills anyone and he has no handcuffs. Or, being threatened by a mean person with a weapon. Both of these situations have a potential for a negative outcome. Even if something goes bad or not, this potential happened, and energy was transfered, and an appropirate reaction underwent and thus went on to potentiate further transfers of energy.
sexual energy is the perception of a future sexual encounter. gas is energy in the fact there is potential for it to be burned. a spring is energy in the fact that it can store potential movement or stress or resistance etc.
a motor uses "energy" (electricity which has the potential to do many things) and creates energy ( the ability to move things ), and absorbs energy in the form of heat and friction, which each themselves have potential to do something else.
Thus, energy is never lost or created.
you cannot say that the dynamic of social situations contains no energy. that would just be ignorant. there are reasons terms such as "situations coming to a head" exist, or why people have honeymoons and then get divorced.
People attracting, reacting, and retracting is energy movement.
For example, I think we can all imagine what a dull workplace environment feels like and what a vibrant one feels like.
There are a few dimensions of reality and we cannot limit ourselves to play in just one. Living in just the scientific material world and ignoring the metaphysical world, or the other way around, doesn't create balanced individuals. It is often the mixing of seemingly separate but interrelated concepts that spawn enlightenment.
another way to look at it is this...u see how some people get all the luck in the world? liked by everyone and praised? They get all kinds of good awesome nurturing energy from everyone donated in little chunks, get the awesome job huge paychecks .wealthy and family life luck all over the place. Well, they are usually very nice and donate to charity and whatever, to spread the good energy around, show them just how awesome life can be. This energy in the form of gifts and whatever makes other people feel good. So its a chain of energy starting from people giving another the courage/social responsibilty to spread the goodness around. This also works with the energy, or momentum, of bad agendas. people who are abused, littered with bad energy, often spread this bad energy around. Theres many ways to see this concept. Its all based on potential. Example of bad energy: Being in the same room as a psychopath murderer who kills anyone and he has no handcuffs. Or, being threatened by a mean person with a weapon. Both of these situations have a potential for a negative outcome. Even if something goes bad or not, this potential happened, and energy was transfered, and an appropirate reaction underwent and thus went on to potentiate further transfers of energy.
Heisenberg
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Conflation at it's best. Scientific words can not be used outside of science and still hold any sort of credible meaning. Using energy to describe spiritual, psychological and metaphysical concepts is a legitimate method to help you to convey the ideas, but does nothing to give them validity. You seem to be using energy as a way to skip over the mechanics of your theory. What are the principals governing this chain of bad and good energy? How is bad energy transferred? Is it subject to entropy? What distinguishes bad energy from good energy? What allows this energy to influence luck? These are just a few of the questions it would seem need to be answered before we could believe these ideas reflect reality.