Commercial ac units vs ideal air 5 ton mega split

Apalchen · May 29, 2019

I don’t know how much the cuts are but imo for this situation you need proven cuts. This isn’t a grow in your grandmas basement. This is a business with investors, pheno hunting is playing and a luxury or for people who aren’t legal and don’t know where to get clones. Especially considering your running a rdwc how are you gonna adjust the nutes when one pheno wants all
Kinda food and other are sensitive. I ran seeds all last year well over a 100 diff phenos looking and playing and found 4 what I would call keepers and only 2 of those would be good enough to go to market and beat out competitors.

Trust me they licensed too many growers for your state your gonna need to bring it to stay in business. Not to mention how does testing work in your state are you have to pay to have every diff plant tested since it can’t/won’t be the same as the other seeds.

If those clones are too pricey find some more there are proven cuts all over the country and some prob right down the road from you but to go this hard and then pheno hunt your main room looks like a mistake from over here.

Not trying to be negative but just saying from outside looking in that is a mistake.

Apalchen · May 29, 2019

Sorry if sounded condescending but even with a small op I never let untested seeds in the main flower room. I got more herms than keepers out of all those seeds I ran.

bdt1981 · May 30, 2019

Renfro said:
lol whatever works for ya. I have found that you need to shotgun 100 seeds to find that rare one that has the best quality and yield. You can sometimes get lucky but unless you shotgun a bunch of beans you really don't know what you don't know.

I figure it's worth it for grade A genetics that will sell very easy at highest prices. Yeah you can shotgun beans and spend a lot of time or just go right to the winner and make money.

It will all sell. The price difference for mediocre and top shelf isnt much here. But probably cuz they havent saw real top shelf yet. The strain can be top shelf but without the proper handling after harvest it isnt top shelf anymore.

bdt1981 · May 30, 2019

Apalchen said:
Sorry if sounded condescending but even with a small op I never let untested seeds in the main flower room. I got more herms than keepers out of all those seeds I ran.

Hermies are mainly caused by user error. If not you are selecting the wrong gear or getting from the wrong bank. Just sayin. I have had a couple herm on me but it was because of light schedule getting fucked. Some strains are a little more sensitive to stress and herm out. Like 24hr veg will herm some strains out. Any fuck up in light schedule will as well.
As for plants wanting more nutrient i believe there is a happy medimum that they will all do well with. Cultured solutions nutes run pretty low ppm. Ill run all exactly the same. If some show signs of needing a lil more ill give them all a little more. But growing in ebb n flo and on an aeroflo i have always fed the same mix to all strains and have never ever had an issue that was a nutrient deficiency. Ever. So if u have issues and your nute ph is on check out your root zone just to be sure.

Renfro · May 30, 2019

bdt1981 said:
Hermies are mainly caused by user error.

I think that depends on the type of hermie. If you just get some bananas (female staminate flowers) then thats often environmental stress and therefore user caused. If it has both female flower and actual male pollen sacs then it's a genetic hermie and not caused by stress. I have had some plants that busted out bananas like crazy, lots of them, starting in early flower, one was a GDP another was a deathstar, other plants of other strains in that same run didn't have any issues so I think that was a genetic tendency.

bdt1981 · May 30, 2019

Renfro said:
I think that depends on the type of hermie. If you just get some bananas (female staminate flowers) then thats often environmental stress and therefore user caused. If it has both female flower and actual male pollen sacs then it's a genetic hermie and not caused by stress. I have had some plants that busted out bananas like crazy, lots of them, starting in early flower, one was a GDP another was a deathstar, other plants of other strains in that same run didn't have any issues so I think that was a genetic tendency.[/QUOTE i have saw pollen sacs not just nanners on some that were mid to late flower. I guess if the plant started out with both flowers then it could be genetics or it could be stress during veg. Wouldnt you think you can herm a plant while its in veg? But it wouldnt really show until flower.

Renfro · May 30, 2019

Wouldnt you think you can herm a plant while its in veg? But it wouldnt really show until flower.

I dunno. I just see the pollen sacs and I consider that to be totally genetic, the bananas I think thats a genetic tendency and stress can bring it out but some plants may just bust the bananas without stress. In the end it's all genetic, some strains aren't prone to popping bananas and others are. Environment can be a trigger for the genes.

bdt1981 · May 31, 2019

Renfro said:
I dunno. I just see the pollen sacs and I consider that to be totally genetic, the bananas I think thats a genetic tendency and stress can bring it out but some plants may just bust the bananas without stress. In the end it's all genetic, some strains aren't prone to popping bananas and others are. Environment can be a trigger for the genes.

Well i have found a couple seeds over the years here and there in just like one or 2 buds. That would mean that there had to be a polen sack. With seeds not being across the entire plant then i would assume there was only 1 pollen sack and it was hidden almost inside the female flower. Where the pollen was not able to get free. So u think that one pollen sack would be a genetic thing and not a stress deal? Idk really. I do know that out of all the seeds i have got from attitude and midweeksong i have not saw even 1 unstable plant where it was just over ran with male flowers. I have grown nearly 100 different strains had over 40 growing at one time feeding all the exact same nutrient mix. Maybe im just lucky. Idk.

Renfro · May 31, 2019

bdt1981 said:
That would mean that there had to be a polen sack.

There is a difference between a pollen sac and a banana though and a banana is a cause for a seed here and there where a pollen sac is a cause for a bunch of seeds as it releases way more pollen.

Renfro · May 31, 2019

bdt1981 said:
So u think that one pollen sack would be a genetic thing and not a stress deal?

I am saying that both genetics and stress are a factor.

Some strains stress out easier and harder, thats genetic. Some strains won't make any hermie pollen no matter how stressed they get.

bdt1981 · May 31, 2019

Renfro said:
There is a difference between a pollen sac and a banana though and a banana is a cause for a seed here and there where a pollen sac is a cause for a bunch of seeds as it releases way more pollen.

So the little nanners can produce seeds? I never looked into it but i thought they were sterile little dicks.

Apalchen · May 31, 2019

I hope your prove me wrong but I think that’s a big mistake. Once everyone gets going and going to market you are gonna need to be either some of the best flower or some of the cheapest. That’s the main two markets of buyers. You have set yourself up to grow top shelf flower but refuse to acknowledge how important the right genetics are. You are indoor the over head is high you need to sell at top prices especially since your buying luxury type equipment (uc and chillers).
Wouldn’t it just be better to come to market with top shelf the first time and every time that way you build a brand and reputation of quality flowers. Quality sells and then cheap sells. The ones falling in the middle are gonnabe hard to move. It’s not like Ohio or Florida where they only licensed a few grows and people get stuck buying whatever is available.
If you end up in the lower market from the start then what happens when market gets flooded with greenhouse herb, yet they have a fraction of the cost in overhead.

Not to mention the simple economics of it all how you gonna hit 3 a light with all diff phenos growing diff sizes and shading each other. The canopy management will be a nightmare. So even if like you say they will buy it anyways there would be less of it than if your were to monocrop in each system.

Apalchen · May 31, 2019

As far as herms from stress I think that I should be able to stress a plant and it not throw pollen all over my crop. It’s not like I’ve got light leaks or I’m there beating them or feeding them crazy nutes. This isn’t my first rodeo. A lot of the seeds I run are newer strains and while admittedly I get very few herms when I order from the older more proven strains that’s not what I want to smoke or grow. A lot of the older breeders gear is just not as good as it was when it first came out I don’t know if they have lost the original breeding pairs or it’s genetic drift or what. But I’ve noticed a difference over the years from the same strains from same breeders.

Renfro · May 31, 2019

bdt1981 said:
So the little nanners can produce seeds? I never looked into it but i thought they were sterile little dicks.

yes of course they can make pollen. I have had an entire room ruined by a single plant that threw a bunch of nanners and I didn't catch it in time to tear it out before it shit pollen all over the place. Seeded the whole room to various degrees.

I knew one guy that was opening a dispensary grow out here in Colorado about 6 years ago. He had his buddy that was a grower as an employee. They had a big collection of various bag seeds that they had collected over the years. BAG SEEDS! Alert! They are there for a reason. So anyway about half of his plants made bananas and seeded his whole room. There were little exploded banana husks all over his drainage trays. It was terrible and I warned him that was likely to happen. They also ruined a room because an employee watered the plants after running a weedeater outside the building and they had mites after that. smh it was terribly unprofessional.

bdt1981 · May 31, 2019

Renfro said:
yes of course they can make pollen. I have had an entire room ruined by a single plant that threw a bunch of nanners and I didn't catch it in time to tear it out before it shit pollen all over the place. Seeded the whole room to various degrees.

I knew one guy that was opening a dispensary grow out here in Colorado about 6 years ago. He had his buddy that was a grower as an employee. They had a big collection of various bag seeds that they had collected over the years. BAG SEEDS! Alert! They are there for a reason. So anyway about half of his plants made bananas and seeded his whole room. There were little exploded banana husks all over his drainage trays. It was terrible and I warned him that was likely to happen. They also ruined a room because an employee watered the plants after running a weedeater outside the building and they had mites after that. smh it was terribly unprofessional.

Damm no shit. That would blow. I didnt think them little dix created pollen. Bag seed huh? My very first kill bud i grew from bagseed back in 2010. Only under a 400. Using peters 15-30-15 the whole grow. Every seed all 7 was female and grew some kill. I have pix somewhere in my content here. I think it was 2011 or 2012 that i made my first seed order. Was skunkberry by jordan of the isles. Some bank from canada. Then was attitude multiple orders from there then midweeksong. Seems like that wss about the time i created my accnt on here. Like 2012. Its been a long road glad its finally legal here. Nothing i rather do than make a living growing the trees!

bdt1981 · May 31, 2019

Apalchen said:
I hope your prove me wrong but I think that’s a big mistake. Once everyone gets going and going to market you are gonna need to be either some of the best flower or some of the cheapest. That’s the main two markets of buyers. You have set yourself up to grow top shelf flower but refuse to acknowledge how important the right genetics are. You are indoor the over head is high you need to sell at top prices especially since your buying luxury type equipment (uc and chillers).
Wouldn’t it just be better to come to market with top shelf the first time and every time that way you build a brand and reputation of quality flowers. Quality sells and then cheap sells. The ones falling in the middle are gonnabe hard to move. It’s not like Ohio or Florida where they only licensed a few grows and people get stuck buying whatever is available.
If you end up in the lower market from the start then what happens when market gets flooded with greenhouse herb, yet they have a fraction of the cost in overhead.

Not to mention the simple economics of it all how you gonna hit 3 a light with all diff phenos growing diff sizes and shading each other. The canopy management will be a nightmare. So even if like you say they will buy it anyways there would be less of it than if your were to monocrop in each system.

top shelf has more to do with just strain selection. It has lots to do with the time and care u take when its harvested. Prices here are ranging from about 2200 to 2500, i heard some saying 3000 but doubtful. 2500 for top shelf and 2200 for mid. Almost better to grab a high yielding strain. Im not a fool. Canopy managment is an area that is very important and im very good at. I know better than to mix phenos. On the uc ill be able to run 6 different strains/phenos. 2 per system. The way they are setup allows that and 1 1000watt light goes over 4 buckets. So 16 plants of each pheno/strain i select. Nothing i can do about my first run. If i buy seeds or if i buy a high dollar clone they both will need to veg for 60 days minimum to be able to take big cuts from. Those 60 days im waiting im not going to just waste. Im going to throw something in my systems to flower. Better to use first run as practice on new system anyway. I been thinking about those 900 dollar strains and im going to talk to my father in law about maybe selecting 6 to keep as mothers. I mean whats 6k more when ur spending 100k already right. But impossible to buy 96 cuts at 900 each u feel me.

bdt1981 · May 31, 2019

Apalchen said:
As far as herms from stress I think that I should be able to stress a plant and it not throw pollen all over my crop. It’s not like I’ve got light leaks or I’m there beating them or feeding them crazy nutes. This isn’t my first rodeo. A lot of the seeds I run are newer strains and while admittedly I get very few herms when I order from the older more proven strains that’s not what I want to smoke or grow. A lot of the older breeders gear is just not as good as it was when it first came out I don’t know if they have lost the original breeding pairs or it’s genetic drift or what. But I’ve noticed a difference over the years from the same strains from same breeders.

ime.
It has been a while since i last ordered. I bought white alien and grapegod and got nlXchronic and gsc from midweeksong for free. The best free seeds ever i must say

bdt1981 · May 31, 2019

The thing is every seed i have got from a bank has been awesome. Free or paid for. Every single one was kill ass trees. Some tasted better than others and some yielded more but they were all pretty fire ass bud. I think what is going to sell best is pretty bud that smells fire and a strain that they havent heard of. As well as the name of it. If it looks and smells good and they havent heard of it and it has a cool ass name like old time moonshine or sleestack or maybe white fire alien. They gonna want it.

bdt1981 · May 31, 2019

Apalchen said:
As far as herms from stress I think that I should be able to stress a plant and it not throw pollen all over my crop. It’s not like I’ve got light leaks or I’m there beating them or feeding them crazy nutes. This isn’t my first rodeo. A lot of the seeds I run are newer strains and while admittedly I get very few herms when I order from the older more proven strains that’s not what I want to smoke or grow. A lot of the older breeders gear is just not as good as it was when it first came out I don’t know if they have lost the original breeding pairs or it’s genetic drift or what. But I’ve noticed a difference over the years from the same strains from same breeders.

Have you ever spent 900$ on a clone? I know the doggies nutts are the most expensive seeds i ever saw and everyone that ever spoke on them said that they a joke. Just sayin.

Apalchen · Jun 3, 2019

Never spent 900 on a clone and most of the time I wouldn’t, that being said those are the breeders selected keepers and he is a pretty well known breeder who puts out a lot of fire. And yes I wasn’t thinking you would buy a tray of them at that price, just one to use as a mother. And yes I understand if you get everything done soon you will need to fill up and run whatever you got for first run. But if building your grow is gonna take a min and getting your paperwork final then you kinda got time to grab a clone or two and throw in a 4x4 tent at a buddies house or something and get em big enough to take clones from.

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