Coco Coir???

since1991

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Coco is the easiest medium to grow in unless your going to grow 100% hydro. It is totally different to soil and should be treated as such.
Every time you water your plants in coco you give the roots 30% oxygen which is coco main strength. Plants love growing in it. You will always need calmag when growing in coco. I'm growing 4 auto in coco at the moment. I feed everyday with nutes and calmag and I use a root enhancer, shogun to be exact. Make sure that the nutes you are using are designed specifically for coco. I use canna coco plus and feed them canna coco a and b. Of course you have lots of other things to get right like temps of grow room air flow etc, but I swear buy canna products each to their own I know, but give it a crack. All the best with your grow
Growing in coir is 100% growing in hydroponics if you use mineral fertilizers to feed them. Even if your hand feeding them manually. No semi hydroponics....no sub category....it is hydroponics. There are no "grades" of hydroponics. It either is or isnt. Hand feeding pots full of Promix with mineral ferts is hydroponics no matter what it "looks" like. Flood tables , buckets, tubing, pumps, and reservoirs doesnt constitute growing hydroponically. This is just for automation. And no you dont always need a calmag supplement when using coir medium. And contrary to popular myth you do not need a coco specific nutrient brand to use the medium for growing. What i suggest is buying a pH and electrical conductivity meter. And learn how to use it. Its quite simple. Also start with a nutrient brand that is simple, complete and no additives. And know what your starting base water consists of. Growing in coco coir is very forgiving but like all other mediums it has its own properties and certain guidelines should be adhered to. Educate yourself.
 
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Johnnygrows420

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Growing in coir is 100% growing in hydroponics if you use mineral fertilizers to feed them. Even if your hand feeding them manually. No semi hydroponics....no sub category....it is hydroponics. There are no "grades" of hydroponics. It either is or isnt. Hand feeding pots full of Promix with mineral ferts is hydroponics no matter what it "looks" like. Flood tables , buckets, tubing, pumps, and reservoirs doesnt constitute growing hydroponically. This is just for automation. And no you dont always need a calmag supplement when using coir medium. And contrary to popular myth you do not need a coco specific nutrient brand to use the medium for growing. What i suggest is buying a pH and electrical conductivity meter. And learn how to use it. Its quite simple. Also start with a nutrient brand that is simple, complete and no additives. And know what your starting base water consists of. Growing in coco coir is very forgiving but like all other mediums it has its own properties and certain guidelines should be adhered to. Educate yourself.
Since I've never used coco before I'm just gunna run GH Flora Nova Bloom start to finish to keep it simple. I buy purified water it is ph 5.6 ppm 22 out of the bottle. My tap water is ph 9.0 ppm 350 out of the tap. If I mix 50/50 it's ph 7.0 ppm 150ish. So should I just use the purified ro water or the 50/50 water in your opinion. I've tried to read up on the coco but everyone says somethin different ya know....but thanks for the input man.
 

Resinhound

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All "natural" water has minerals present,these minerals provide for your plant.In a medium like coco that tends to hold cal/mag,tap water is your friend.Highly chlorinated water or with high contaminants,thats when you really need ro...but then you better put back what you took out.So why use RO to take out the very minerals that you will have to replace? Anything under 500ppm is generally considered safe for human consumption,350 is average drinking water in the us.
 

Johnnygrows420

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All "natural" water has minerals present,these minerals provide for your plant.In a medium like coco that tends to hold cal/mag,tap water is your friend.Highly chlorinated water or with high contaminants,thats when you really need ro...but then you better put back what you took out.So why use RO to take out the very minerals that you will have to replace?
OK so the 50/50 mix at 150ish Ppm's then or the straight tap at 350ppm.....I'm just learning this ppm thing
 

Johnnygrows420

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50/50 will definately be fine,I suspect pure tap would be just fine as well.
What's up bro.....ok let me ask you this....if I were to use straight tap and my PPM'S were calling for 350ppm it the tap water is 350 ppm how could I add nutes cause it would take it over the 350ppm mark? Sorry if this sounds stupid but I'm just learning the whole ppm thing
 

Resinhound

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Thats one of the reasons for cutting it.Calcium carbonates arent the best for the short term with other forms that are more availiable in our nutrients.If you use ro you should use cal/mag supplement to get to 150ppm....either way you should have that as a base.
 

Johnnygrows420

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I'm gunna water/Reed every other day during veg toward bloom I'm going to everyday....the only thing I'm gunna use is GH Flora Nova Bloom start at 1/4 strength and work up till I noticed slight leave tip burns then I'll back it down a hair....will slight nute burn stunt an autoflower?
 

Resinhound

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I'm gunna water/Reed every other day during veg toward bloom I'm going to everyday....the only thing I'm gunna use is GH Flora Nova Bloom start at 1/4 strength and work up till I noticed slight leave tip burns then I'll back it down a hair....will slight nute burn stunt an autoflower?
nah,thats part of watching your plant bro..if she starts to burn back off a bit.Dont worry about stunting,just enjoy your first run in coco.After a couple all this will be old stuff to you :)
 

since1991

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Yup. After a couple rounds of growing in coco coir you will wonder why youve never used it before. I did. I used all the mediums. Especially pro mix and peat based mixes. Alot. For years. Then about 8 .....maybe 10 years ago i switched to coco coir. Took me two rounds to figure it out and dail it in as the quality of brand coco coirs were really shitty back then. Now the coco out there is pretty damn high quality. Most of it anyways. I will never grow in anything else (maybe lol). Serious though. Its so easy to use. Its like rockwool slab drip back in the nineties but even better. Its perfect for cannabis.
 
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Johnnygrows420

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Yup. After a couple rounds of growing in coco coir you will wonder why youve never used it before. I did. I used all the mediums. Especially pro mix and peat based mixes. Alot. For years. Then about 8 .....maybe 10 years ago i switched to coco coir. Took me two rounds to figure it out and dail it in (quality of brand coco coirs were really shitty back then). I will never grow in anything else (maybe lol). Serious though. Its so easy to use. Its perfect for cannabis.
That's what I'm after a lil bit of eazz
 

since1991

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Once you get coco dialed and can whip up a mean ass crop of sticky buds consistently with it your going to want to set up a simple drip irrigation for it. Talk about EASY!!! Put that shit on cruise control. Let the drippers and feed lines handle the work.
 

Skunk Baxter

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What's up bro.....ok let me ask you this....if I were to use straight tap and my PPM'S were calling for 350ppm it the tap water is 350 ppm how could I add nutes cause it would take it over the 350ppm mark? Sorry if this sounds stupid but I'm just learning the whole ppm thing
No, it's not stupid. Better to ask than waste an entire grow.

When a nute company's feeding schedule calls for, say, 500 PPM, they mean 500 PPM of their product. If you start with tap water of 350, then you'd need to add that to the total - so if they say use 500 PPM of their product, and you're starting with tap of 350, you're shooting for 850 as the final number.

Where you want to start being careful is if you're starting with tap water that already has a lot of dissolved solids, like 350 or 400 - especially if you're adding supplements like calmag, because you don't know what those 350 parts per million are. A lot of people seem to assume that it's a roughly equal mix of calcium and magnesium, and there've been a lot of posts here that seem to be based on that false assumption - no offense, because they mean well, but there's a lot of misinformation in some of those posts. It completely depends on the geology of the region in which you live.

For example, if you live in an area where the geology is primarily limestone, most of the dissolved solids are probably going to be calcium carbonate - with no magnesium at all, or possibly just trace amounts. It's quite possible for someone in a limestone region to see magnesium deficiency in their leaves, add a full dose of calmag, and correct the magnesium problem - but boost the calcium content way beyond what it ought to be, and in some cases cause lockout or even worse. I learned that once the hard way when all the phosphoric acid in my PH down, plus the phosphates in my PK boost nutes, combined with the calcium carbonate in my water and the calcium in my calmag and formed calcium phosphate, which precipitated out as a non-soluble white substance that turned my res cloudy and robbed my plants of both calcium and phosphates.

For a new hydro grower, it can be very helpful to think about nutes and dissolved solids from an entirely different frame of reference. Don't think of them as nutrients - just think of them as chemicals. Every time you add one to your water, you are creating an entirely new chemical compound - and every time you add another nute or supplement to that compound, you are creating still another compound, which is going to react in a very specific way to whatever you add to it next. Temperature, aeration, PH Up or PH Down, even the sequence in which you add each ingredient can all have an effect on the final product in your reservoir.

That's one reason I like to keep things as simple as possible - I try to add only what it needs, when it needs it, and only as much as it needs. No more. One of my mottos is, "When in doubt - don't." You can always add some more later, but it's pretty difficult to take it out again without dumping the res. I try to look at PPMs as a bank account in reverse - I try never to waste any extra PPMs, because if you dump too much shit into the tub, it's surprising how fast you can hit 1500 PPM without even knowing you were coming anywhere near it.
 

Johnnygrows420

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Once you get coco dialed and can whip up a mean ass crop of sticky buds consistently with it your going to want to set up a simple drip irrigation for it. Talk about EASY!!! Put that shit on cruise control. Let the drippers and feed lines handle the work.
That's sounds cool.....does it cost much to set up?
 

Skunk Baxter

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Pocket change. You can buy most of that shit at Lowe's and an aquarium store for 10% of what you'd pay at a grow shop. Just take a long, hard look at a drip system, then take a walk in the right couple of aisles at Lowe's, looking carefully at their tubing and shit. You can engineer most of that shit yourself for pennies on the dollar.
 
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