Clones from clones from clones?

Frosteze

Frosteze

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I had a discussion earlier on whether or not a strain would lose anything the longer down the line if clones where taken from clones. My point was it's a genetic identical so how could it. I've also cloned over and over a G-13 strain for about 5 years and never did I notice any difference in the weed.

I looked for a discussion on this and could not find one.

What's everybody's thoughts on this?
 
*BUDS

*BUDS

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The pheno will go off. Eventually the new batch of clones will have issues and lost potency. You need to do thousands before this occurs. If you only took cuttings from the original mother it should stay the same, clone from a clone and so on is different.
 
Frosteze

Frosteze

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*BUDS said:
The pheno will go off. Eventually the new batch of clones will have issues and lost potency. You need to do thousands before this occurs. If you only took cuttings from the original mother it should stay the same, clone from a clone and so on is different.
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So then a clone from a clone somehow loses its genetic trait?
 
Dr. Who

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*BUDS said:
The pheno will go off. Eventually the new batch of clones will have issues and lost potency. You need to do thousands before this occurs. If you only took cuttings from the original mother it should stay the same, clone from a clone and so on is different.
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Horse shit!

Environmental conditions effecting plant.....

I run a strain from the 90's and it's lost nothing as far as quality goes!

Genetically speaking. The plant will loose nothing! The environment you grow in needs to be as close to the same IN EVERY ASPECT as you go from run, to run, to run. That includes cloning......

Buds, you have an environmental effect......

Doc
 
Frosteze

Frosteze

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Dr. Who said:
Horse shit!

Environmental conditions effecting plant.....

I run a strain from the 90's and it's lost nothing as far as quality goes!

Genetically speaking. The plant will loose nothing! The environment you grow in needs to be as close to the same IN EVERY ASPECT as you go from run, to run, to run. That includes cloning......

Buds, you have an environmental effect......

Doc
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Wouldn't be a "clone" otherwise.
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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I have done the same thing years back with a jack herer strain i had,i used to keep a plants till it got to flowering height then put it in flowering room,and take clones the day of the 12/12 off sced,then get them up to flowering height and clone them and just kept doing that for years never seen no difference in the end result,but now i do try and keep a mother,and graft other strains onto it.
 
TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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Dr. Who said:
Horse shit!

Environmental conditions effecting plant.....

I run a strain from the 90's and it's lost nothing as far as quality goes!

Genetically speaking. The plant will loose nothing! The environment you grow in needs to be as close to the same IN EVERY ASPECT as you go from run, to run, to run. That includes cloning......

Buds, you have an environmental effect......

Doc
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in my opinion clones of clones of clones seem to get better as the generations go by..is it possible that the strain evolves to fit your conditions? i had a misty plant that was cloned,cloned and cloned for 6 years,, as time went on it finished faster,50 days, became less branchy, great sog plant, and had gotten more potent than the original mother..i would say by the 20th clone mom it had already improved to fit my grow, and after say 100 clone of clone moms it kind of stabilized, always finishing in 50 days, always perfect after a week of veg to flower, and the best clone that was kept as the next mother produced 30-50 clones after just 4 weeks of veg being topped only once..
so,, does a strain actually evolve as clones of clones are kept? i never noticed it to degrade rather they improved..however some strains may degrade if there is stress or less than ideal conditions,,but i feel if conditions are good,and clones are not stressed, they get better and better...thoughts?
 
Frosteze

Frosteze

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TheChemist77 said:
in my opinion clones of clones of clones seem to get better as the generations go by..is it possible that the strain evolves to fit your conditions? i had a misty plant that was cloned,cloned and cloned for 6 years,, as time went on it finished faster,50 days, became less branchy, great sog plant, and had gotten more potent than the original mother..i would say by the 20th clone mom it had already improved to fit my grow, and after say 100 clone of clone moms it kind of stabilized, always finishing in 50 days, always perfect after a week of veg to flower, and the best clone that was kept as the next mother produced 30-50 clones after just 4 weeks of veg being topped only once..
so,, does a strain actually evolve as clones of clones are kept? i never noticed it to degrade rather they improved..however some strains may degrade if there is stress or less than ideal conditions,,but i feel if conditions are good,and clones are not stressed, they get better and better...thoughts?
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Perhaps you evolved to your plant's potential?
 
since1991

since1991

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It can happen. But its rare. Problems arise from viruses and certain fungal pathogens that go unseen. Like septoria and mosaic types, fungal infections that go unseen and are inside the plant. There is a bunch of viruses . And your cuts can look fine from the outside. What happens is cuts start taking longer and longer to root. They lose vigor. Yields and potency go down. They want to divert back to wild hemp. Etc. The plants lose immunity from pathogens and viruses over time. A long time. Like decades. Its very rare and for the most part it is horseshit.
 
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since1991

since1991

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Best thing you can do is if you start from.a pack of seeds to save all the males or male pollen if you dont have the room. Seed out a few buds. Collect the seeds and store them away. You always have a fresh set of seeds of that variety you can sift through down the road. Giving out cuts to your bros, and saving males to make seeds are the best and pretty much only way to save something you really like. And those two things are the least practised in the growing community. Wonder why really great varieties and phenotypes are lost and gone forever? Rite there is your answer.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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TheChemist77 said:
in my opinion clones of clones of clones seem to get better as the generations go by..is it possible that the strain evolves to fit your conditions? i had a misty plant that was cloned,cloned and cloned for 6 years,, as time went on it finished faster,50 days, became less branchy, great sog plant, and had gotten more potent than the original mother..i would say by the 20th clone mom it had already improved to fit my grow, and after say 100 clone of clone moms it kind of stabilized, always finishing in 50 days, always perfect after a week of veg to flower, and the best clone that was kept as the next mother produced 30-50 clones after just 4 weeks of veg being topped only once..
so,, does a strain actually evolve as clones of clones are kept? i never noticed it to degrade rather they improved..however some strains may degrade if there is stress or less than ideal conditions,,but i feel if conditions are good,and clones are not stressed, they get better and better...thoughts?
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Environmental response again.. "evolves" is not the word I would use. "Adapts" or "adjusts" is closer. Taller and less "branchy" is a "common" adaptation to lighting conditions.....I have seen that one myself.

Doc
 
Corso312

Corso312

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Its strain dependent, my buddy had a sick Blueberry skunk..after about 5 years it was garbage..but for 3.5-4 years it was amazing.

Nother friend has been running a Hollands hope for 10 plus years..hasn't lost a thing.
 
TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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Dr. Who said:
Environmental response again.. "evolves" is not the word I would use. "Adapts" or "adjusts" is closer. Taller and less "branchy" is a "common" adaptation to lighting conditions.....I have seen that one myself.

Doc
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thanks doc,, its always a pleasure!!
 
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T.H.Cammo

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People often get distracted by the term "Clone". They tend to think of each clone as a "new generation" - and as such, each generation may be liable to some form of mutation. In that context, it is only logical to allow for the possibility of some sort of mutation - somewhere down the line.

The point is; the clones we are talking about are not a "New Generation" - they are a surviving part of the original plant. What's to change?

The Chemist said his clones of clones just got better - maybe it was just his growing skills that got better and better! Or maybe it was improved environmental conditions, who knows? I keep coming back to the fact that they are a surviving part of the original plant.
 
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adower

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No way. I use clones of clones for ages. Can't tell the genetics are weakening. If anything it's probably environment that cause less of a yield
 
Thc247

Thc247

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Frosteze said:
I had a discussion earlier on whether or not a strain would lose anything the longer down the line if clones where taken from clones. My point was it's a genetic identical so how could it. I've also cloned over and over a G-13 strain for about 5 years and never did I notice any difference in the weed.

I looked for a discussion on this and could not find one.

What's everybody's thoughts on this?
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i think yes after a while but i also say that second run on wards is better than the first run either down to learning what it needs also plants adapting to enviroment but i do find my first run is good but second onwards is inproved ive had a plant 2 1/2 years clones from clones and its still as fire as always but i also heard from a friend that his clones lost there vigor
 
AlbinoAcorn

AlbinoAcorn

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I know a guy whos been taking clones from the same strain since the 70s so I dont believe that BS about loss of potency or anything like that. As long as your mother plants and clones are healthy and the environment is good you will be fine.
 
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