Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 44 27.5%
  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 42 26.3%
  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 74 46.3%

  • Total voters
    160

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
good...it would be good for them to be the leaders in at least one modern industry.
you don't want to try to freeze them out of everything, or they might be tempted to try to take everything...nor should they be. they should be offered ample opportunities to join the modern world, as quickly as possible. the more their citizens become used to the decadent western lifestyle, the more they'll resist giving it up. the more their economic futures are tied to the rest of the modern western world, the more they'll be drawn into that same world. i would much rather have china as a peaceful, willing neighbor, than a looming menace.
and the news is just good for the world. we could effectively build a solar farm right now in almost any major desert in the world that could supply energy for everyone. if we could do it for half the price, so much the better.
my question is why the fuck aren't we doing that? or at least building farms that will supply our national energy needs? we could replace EVERY oil and coal powered plant in the country, we could shut down aging facilities for sorely needed maintenance, and just keep regional centers for emergency use...so why the fuck aren't we doing that?
I’m also curious about “try to take everything”. How? Certainly not by force of arms.

I see no need to artificially let them be world leaders in any major technology. No point in encouraging their nascent imperial ambitions.
 

injinji

Well-Known Member
Yeah I saw a new front coming in...it won't effect me, highs upper 70's, lows in upper 50's, low 60's, moisture in the air, if I had a auto or 2, be the time...js.

Heck I still have baby tomatoes, and green peppers growing now...this shit's nuts...Texas go figure
I had some late tomatoes that were kicking ass. Cold got them in October (I think). A few in raised beds down at the riverhouse made it through that one, but the one before the Christmas storm got them.

It's not just the weather, but I'm not doing a spring crop this year, and I've grown during the winter for the last four or five years. The return has not been worth the work the last couple of years.
 

BudmanTX

Well-Known Member
I had some late tomatoes that were kicking ass. Cold got them in October (I think). A few in raised beds down at the riverhouse made it through that one, but the one before the Christmas storm got them.

It's not just the weather, but I'm not doing a spring crop this year, and I've grown during the winter for the last four or five years. The return has not been worth the work the last couple of years.
my return has been about the same, with the heat this year i'm surprised the ones i have are still alive......over 60 days of over 100 degrees plus, and from the looks of it, we might be getting the same this year. We're on record for the least amount of rain in one year with only 11 inches, i'm surprised i got anything at all.....this weekend if all fairs well, i got some soil mixing to do, and reclaming as well......
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
“overcome”?
How do smaller stations get you past the need for transoceanic transmission?
you wouldn't have one centralized production facility, you would have a separate one in each geographically separate area...one on the east side of the rockies, one on the west side, one in the Australian desert, a larger one communally run in an African desert....you could put them relatively close to settled area, it would in fact probably be preferable, less lines, less area being environmentally impacted.
this seems fairly representative of what i'm suggesting, which leads me to believe im far from the first to suggest it...
https://landartgenerator.org/blagi/archives/127
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
I’m also curious about “try to take everything”. How? Certainly not by force of arms.

I see no need to artificially let them be world leaders in any major technology. No point in encouraging their nascent imperial ambitions.
as in Taiwan...as in whatever they can seize by force of arms in the confusion that russia's break up will cause...
and i didn't suggest letting them be the leader in any kind of technology, i specifically said areas that are deeply involved in resource collection...
 

injinji

Well-Known Member
my return has been about the same, with the heat this year i'm surprised the ones i have are still alive......over 60 days of over 100 degrees plus, and from the looks of it, we might be getting the same this year. We're on record for the least amount of rain in one year with only 11 inches, i'm surprised i got anything at all.....this weekend if all fairs well, i got some soil mixing to do, and reclaming as well......
Last year at the end of the rainy season (late Aug/early Sep) we were three inches ahead of the record for that time of year. We did not beat the record because when it stopped raining everyday, it stopped all together.Most years I do a few late season plants since rot is such a big problem for me. I will admit to growing Darwin Dope, but I lost more than my usual amount due to dry weather.

I've got to do a soil mix too. I've already planted pepper and tomato seeds, and have reclaimed most of my seed tray soil from last year already. Need to go to the co-op and one of the box stores for ingredients.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
you wouldn't have one centralized production facility, you would have a separate one in each geographically separate area...one on the east side of the rockies, one on the west side, one in the Australian desert, a larger one communally run in an African desert....you could put them relatively close to settled area, it would in fact probably be preferable, less lines, less area being environmentally impacted.
this seems fairly representative of what i'm suggesting, which leads me to believe im far from the first to suggest it...
https://landartgenerator.org/blagi/archives/127
That totally misses my point about longitude and insolation. Where is the power for Midwestern foundries coming at 2am local?
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
Finally! Winter is over, spring is here. From now on, spring starts Jan 1st. Warmest NYE ever measured in NL, hottest day in Jan just happened. Throughout much of Europe records have been broken, sometimes with 10degrees Celsius. 25C in Spain... 20C in Switzerland... geez, that's where people normally go for winter sports.

 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Finally! Winter is over, spring is here. From now on, spring starts Jan 1st. Warmest NYE ever measured in NL, hottest day in Jan just happened. Throughout much of Europe records have been broken, sometimes with 10degrees Celsius. 25C in Spain... 20C in Switzerland... geez, that's where people normally go for winter sports.

Was 10 C here in NS on NYE the grass is green and there is no snow, was some for a week, but it got rained away, 0C here now in the evening. We are at 46 deg north on the Atlantic coast. Usually we get a couple of months of winter now, January and February, it used to be from November until April 50 or 60 years ago.
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
Was 10 C here in NS on NYE the grass is green and there is no snow, was some for a week, but it got rained away, 0C here now in the evening. We are at 46 deg north on the Atlantic coast. Usually we get a couple of months of winter now, January and February, it used to be from November until April 50 or 60 years ago.
15C on NYE here, midnight temp. Previous record was from last year, 13.2C. Average is 6... We had a week of frost in Dec, down to -8, everyone skating everywhere, looked like a real winter, snow and all. And then the temps went up again rapidly. I'm using barely 10% of the natural gas I normally do around this time. Winters changed a lot too here over the past 50 years but it's mostly this century things are going very rapid.
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
I got one word for you: night.
I got one too: heat

Ok a few more: a common misconception about cloudy places ( https://www.wur.nl/en/newsarticle/Greatest-peaks-in-solar-yield-on-cloudy-days.htm ) Solar power is extremely suitable for decentralizing power supply. The nr1 obstacle for more solar power, the only obstacle atm in NL, isn't resources yet, solar panels aren't sold out, it's the infrastructure. Even our otherwise great power grid can't handle such a rapid expansion. It takes only half the suitable roofs in NL to power it all (except yeah, night).
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
That totally misses my point about longitude and insolation. Where is the power for Midwestern foundries coming at 2am local?
ok, then they do have to be hooked together, and that would require a better infrastructure than we have, it seems. but it is still well within the realm of possibility, all that really stands in the way is the avarice of some...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
ok, then they do have to be hooked together, and that would require a better infrastructure than we have, it seems. but it is still well within the realm of possibility, all that really stands in the way is the avarice of some...
I think sending electricity from Aus or Mali to the Midwest may be a serious technical challenge.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
I think sending electricity from Aus or Mali to the Midwest may be a serious technical challenge.
that is not necessarily required. if they build the infrastructure in redundant phases, you only have to be able to get it from one to the next.
build the things so they're at their peaks 3 hours apart...sun rises, hits station one for 2 hours of sub optimal results, 3 hours of optimal results, then another 2 hours of sub optimal results...as station one hits the middle of it's cycle, station 2 is coming on line...8 to 10 equidistantly spaced facilities may not provide all the power the world needs, but it would sure as fuck help...and they could bolster each other through the most demanding parts of each day.
am i talking out of my ass? you know i am, but i'm offering at least semi realistic suggestions...i hope
 

Magicbeanz007

Well-Known Member
Well, boys & girls or whatever, the End of Humankind seems to be approaching relatively rapidly & it seems we/they can't/won't do fucking anything substantial to stop it.

In other words we're fucked as a species/organism & it appears that it's inevitable.

A new United Nations report shows the world is on a “catastrophic pathway” toward a hotter future unless governments make more ambitious pledges to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the head of the UN said last week.

That’s the latest blunt assessment by the United Nations in its 42 page report. The report says that most countries have failed to uphold promises to make deep cuts to greenhouse gas pollution, in order to avoid the most catastrophic effects of climate change.

According to the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, meeting the more ambitious target of a 2.7 degree Fahrenheit temperature rise would require eliminating fossil fuels almost entirely by 2050.

A review of all the national commitments submitted by signatories of the Paris climate accord until July 30, found that based on detailed information from signatories, this would result in emissions rising nearly 16 percent by 2030, compared with 2010 levels.

“The 16 percent increase is a huge cause for concern,” according to Patricia Espinosa, the UN’s chief climate negotiator, reports the BBC.

“It is in sharp contrast with the calls by science for rapid, sustained and large-scale emission reductions to prevent the most severe climate consequences and suffering, especially of the most vulnerable, throughout the world.”

This shows the world is heading in the wrong direction. Scientists recently confirmed that to avoid the worst impacts of hotter conditions, global carbon emissions needed to be cut by 45 percent by 2030.

That is only 14 years away folks, to curtail at the minimum & reduce simultaneously carbon emissions, or it's fucking game over.

Hah, Ha & Ha :)

What are the odds of that occuring?

None?

The COP26 climate conference is scheduled to take place in Glasgow in just over six weeks’ time. The main focus of the event is to keep alive hopes of limiting the rise in global temperatures by persuading nations to cut their emissions.

Yet, out of the 191 countries taking part in the agreement, only 113 have so far come up with improved pledges. Alok Sharma, the British minister who will chair the COP26 conference, said nations that had ambitious climate plans were “already bending the curve of emissions downwards.”

“But without action from all countries, especially the biggest economies, these efforts risk being in vain,” Sharma added. A recent study by Climate Action Tracker found that of the G20 group of leading industrial nations, only a handful including the UK and the US have strengthened their targets to cut emissions.


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Based on the data from the Climate Action Tracker, it is apparent that many countries are trying to fall in line with their targets, but the UN is still waiting for updated plans from many asshole countries. “There are some real laggard nations that we hope to hear from,” says the policy director for the Climate and Energy Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. They include China, which is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases, as well as Japan, Australia, South Korea, and Brazil.

Another analysis shows that China, India, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey – together responsible for 33 percent of greenhouse gases – have yet to submit updated plans, like not even a fucking word

None/nada/zip

Additionally, the study finds that Brazil, Mexico, and Russia all expect their emissions to grow rather than shrink.

Yup, we're on the right track alright.

Excellent!!!

Humankind will abandon all tribal instincts & greed & come together and save the Planet!!!

I doubt it

This ain't fucking Hollywood, you dumb fucks, & I don't see a happy ending here.

None whatsoever.

Reality is a bitch, ain't it.

Wear a mask/get a jab :)
watch this and explain why its wrong please mr. climatologist

 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
that is not necessarily required. if they build the infrastructure in redundant phases, you only have to be able to get it from one to the next.
build the things so they're at their peaks 3 hours apart...sun rises, hits station one for 2 hours of sub optimal results, 3 hours of optimal results, then another 2 hours of sub optimal results...as station one hits the middle of it's cycle, station 2 is coming on line...8 to 10 equidistantly spaced facilities may not provide all the power the world needs, but it would sure as fuck help...and they could bolster each other through the most demanding parts of each day.
am i talking out of my ass? you know i am, but i'm offering at least semi realistic suggestions...i hope
your enemy is longitude as illustrated by time zones. There are several hours when all of North America is in darkness. At those times the eastern Sahara or the Outback are in full sun.
Heavy industry needs power 24/7.
 
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