captainmorgan
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Who is that directed at?
Chaos
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Who is that directed at?
captainmorgan
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This is medicine for me and I don't just go for the highest THC content, I've culled stains that have tested as high as 28% THC because that was all they had and nothing else, I grow GG#4 but prefer to smoke Chaos.
Stonironi
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I agree with you 100% but dude was saying how embarrassing the test results were so he should post them instead of just being rude. I don't care what it tests at. Mine has a great flavor and packs a good punch and is covered in trichs. so it can't be that low!! That is all I'm saying.
captainmorgan
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Pretty sure I have posted lab results here of both Chaos and Chaos BX2 including terpene profiles, mid to high teens for THC so far,I have 2 Chaos 4x4's started so we'll see what they are like. Many labs inflate their test numbers because it's better for business. I had a conversation with Ben who is one of the owners PSI labs when they opened, we discussed how high some tests had gotten, some well over 30%, he told me that dispensary's had told him higher test scores would help his business, you know what they were asking for.
TheMan13
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ISO accredited labs (like Iron Laboratories) would lose everything playing games like that and it would catch up to them quickly. I believe PSI had sullied their reputation in 2015 at the MI HTCC by failing to honestly complete their Bio Analysis and/or note obvious pest and mold issues in samples.
DemonTrich
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From what I remember reading, yes. This was at least 3 yrs ago.
DemonTrich
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Who's bashing the chaos strain? I smoke that one exclusively as well as make my rosin from it as well. Between chaos, darlins net, and mob boss, it's hard to pick a daily winner.
Tyleb173rd
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Dude......
DirtyEyeball696
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I got a good dentist
Kush Is My Cologne
Kush Is My Cologne
captainmorgan
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captainmorgan
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PSI opened in spring 2015 which is less than 2 years.
DirtyEyeball696
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I love chaos
Kush Is My Cologne
Kush Is My Cologne
captainmorgan
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I've had some good conversations with Ben at PSI so I sent him a email with questions about accreditation's and the whole 2015 Cup controversy. He told me I could post his response so here it is.
"Accreditation
Accreditation is a benchmark, and helps distinguish labs that don't know what they're doing from others that can meet basic minimum standards. However, my partner Lev has a PhD in chemistry and has worked in labs and used mass spectrometry for over a decade. Even our newest hire, Mark, has worked in an environmental testing lab for over five years.
That said - we are currently "Pending Accreditation" with PJLA, and will be fully accredited by 2017. We've delayed the process thus far to save on costs in the lab, and to our client base. To date we have seen these costs as unnecessary - especially since our data has been accurate and reproducible.
Lab Comparison and Blind Proficiency Test
Accreditation will be important, especially in light of HB4209. However, comparing your lab's results with those of all the other cannabis testing laboratories in the country in a blind proficiency test is the only real way to prove that your methods are robust and your data are accurate.
ACCL
We are currently accredited by the ACCL (Association of Commercial Cannabis Laboratories), Our acceptance into the association is in recognition that we have performed and passed the requisite quality, security, and accountability reviews, including a nationwide proficiency test.
Emerald Test
This past Spring, we participated in the Emerald Proficiency Test and Inter-laboratory Comparison along with many of the most professional cannabis testing labs throughout the country. We decided to take the test because, as you know, we are dedicated to achieving the most accurate scientific data for our clients. I'm proud to say that received the Emerald Test Badge as one of the nation's top performing labs in the Emerald Test.
2015 High Times Cannabis Cup
You are correct in that we did share the testing with Iron Labs at the 2015 cup. Iron Labs' mold reporting created a little bit of a scandal. Essentially, they reported that an unusually high number of samples (a statistical anomaly for High Times' contestants) had mold or fungus issues.
After Iron Labs published that so many samples had mold, we went back to perform thorough microscopy on a number of the samples in question. Even after said analyses, we were unable to find evidence of such egregious mold hyphae.
High Times ended up having to put out a press release due to the Iron Labs mold issue, letting folks know that: 1.) Iron Labs claimed there was a lot of mold, but 2.) not one of the 72 judges complained about an unusual smell or taste, 3.) no mold or fungus was discovered during the intake process, and finally, 4.) PSI Labs retested a few of the samples and concurred that none of the mold was so egregiously present that it should be disqualified.
2016 High Times Cannabis Cup & 2016 Medical Country Fair Cup
After that debacle, PSI Labs has been the exclusive testing lab for the last two High Times' cannabis cups."
"Accreditation
Accreditation is a benchmark, and helps distinguish labs that don't know what they're doing from others that can meet basic minimum standards. However, my partner Lev has a PhD in chemistry and has worked in labs and used mass spectrometry for over a decade. Even our newest hire, Mark, has worked in an environmental testing lab for over five years.
That said - we are currently "Pending Accreditation" with PJLA, and will be fully accredited by 2017. We've delayed the process thus far to save on costs in the lab, and to our client base. To date we have seen these costs as unnecessary - especially since our data has been accurate and reproducible.
Lab Comparison and Blind Proficiency Test
Accreditation will be important, especially in light of HB4209. However, comparing your lab's results with those of all the other cannabis testing laboratories in the country in a blind proficiency test is the only real way to prove that your methods are robust and your data are accurate.
ACCL
We are currently accredited by the ACCL (Association of Commercial Cannabis Laboratories), Our acceptance into the association is in recognition that we have performed and passed the requisite quality, security, and accountability reviews, including a nationwide proficiency test.
Emerald Test
This past Spring, we participated in the Emerald Proficiency Test and Inter-laboratory Comparison along with many of the most professional cannabis testing labs throughout the country. We decided to take the test because, as you know, we are dedicated to achieving the most accurate scientific data for our clients. I'm proud to say that received the Emerald Test Badge as one of the nation's top performing labs in the Emerald Test.
2015 High Times Cannabis Cup
You are correct in that we did share the testing with Iron Labs at the 2015 cup. Iron Labs' mold reporting created a little bit of a scandal. Essentially, they reported that an unusually high number of samples (a statistical anomaly for High Times' contestants) had mold or fungus issues.
After Iron Labs published that so many samples had mold, we went back to perform thorough microscopy on a number of the samples in question. Even after said analyses, we were unable to find evidence of such egregious mold hyphae.
High Times ended up having to put out a press release due to the Iron Labs mold issue, letting folks know that: 1.) Iron Labs claimed there was a lot of mold, but 2.) not one of the 72 judges complained about an unusual smell or taste, 3.) no mold or fungus was discovered during the intake process, and finally, 4.) PSI Labs retested a few of the samples and concurred that none of the mold was so egregiously present that it should be disqualified.
2016 High Times Cannabis Cup & 2016 Medical Country Fair Cup
After that debacle, PSI Labs has been the exclusive testing lab for the last two High Times' cannabis cups."
TheMan13
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It was shared by both, but pests and mold were only present in the Iron Laboratories test results as they commonly are. It's tough to artificially inflate THC numbers from calibrated equipment to please clients, but not "seeing" the pests and molds keep their product marketable ...
I can specifically recall many judges and members here noting an extreme case of powdery mildew on one of those PSI samples that looked "frosty" only from a distance.
I'm sure PSI has come a long way since 2015, but they'll need to get accredited if they want to play in our new legislative game of "quality assurance".
captainmorgan
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If PSI did such a bad job at the cup, why did they get rid of Iron labs and give all the testing to PSI this year, makes no sense.
TheMan13
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The pest and mold results are/were never released publicly and it likely wasn't appreciated that Iron Laboratories was so honest. I'm sure HT would rather not have pests and molds found in their entries ...
captainmorgan
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Not exactly a secret if it's discussed on forums.
TheMan13
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That's what got PSI into trouble, Iron Labs was just responding to the mass inquiries/fallout.
Iron Labs is by far the best we have at finding that shit brother, PSI needs/needed work on their Bio Analysis and/or ethics IMHO.
I had a slight unknown thrip infection once diagnosed very early by Iron Labs years ago on my winning entry ...
TheMan13
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@captainmorgan If you can send your next samples to both labs and give us a real time blind comparison. It would be nice to know where the quality of our labs are today.
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