CFL's are stupid. I took them down.

ozone said:

High grade herb costs between 250 and 350 depending on the time of year. Its pretty much been that price for as long sa I can remember. My buddies love marijuana but there is no way we could smoke an ounce in one sitting.

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maybe they are used to schwag and prices for that? you know 80-100$ for an ounce.......

Ok so after reading this 19 page debate on whats good and whats not this is just my 2 cents.

Every op is different so you will have to make different choices that are right for you .This does not mean that you will not get a good grow for what you are puting into it. ie put in two cfl you get 13 gs dry. If that is what you are looking for then that is good for you.
As I first started out the only resources that I had were flo shop. and they did the job. With that said I'm wouldn't say that they were better then cfl lights or hid because I didn't know.

I have been growing with all different types now, I started my grow with two four flo that I got from a hydro shop. This didn't do that well for me because I didn't know what I was doing. They grew and I was happy.

I then changed to cfls. I was using six daylight 6500k 1650 lumens @ 26w. This made a big difference for the (three plants(clones) that I was growing) I could see them change right in from of my eyes. This could have been for many reasons, the fact that I had more info on the subject was a big factor. Never or less they started to feel up nicely.

I even started to flower with them and it worked. I started to see buds poping up and It was cool to see this. But after reading about different types of lighting ie flo cfl mh hps. I wanted more.
So I got a 600w dig hps/mh system and the differences are huge, there is no compar. to a cfl or flu. The hps has a its pros and cons but if you can figure a way to take away the cons the pros will end up in lbs.

I still will use flu and cfl in the way my op requires me to. I like that I can place any spec. that I want to change up things and see if there is a different out come.

We all will do what is right for our different situations the key is to do it with open eyes. Be willing to change things up a little and open to new ideas.

Who Knows maybe in a few years this debate will be about how L.E.D s are better then HID.
Technology is the wave of the future.

GLG

I sorta agree with fdd but if you added the cfl's just for side light penetration you'll like the results you get from that also and all you need is 4 - 6 over a 4ft span. If you get some clamp lights you can use the hood of the floro as a brace

bearo420 said:

its funny cfl people remind of apple pc people. deny till death that theres a much better option available. yeah you can use a cfl to grow, and an apple to browse, But when you want the real deal, and need more than easy to use, want to hang with the big boys you gotta step up and get HID. And I almost threw 4 cfls at the wall the other day after watching it stretch the shit out of my seedlings for 5 days. Had them an inch off plants and they were falling over stretching. CFLs are for kids. Its like build your grow box out of legos or wood. they both work but...If I use the cfls itll be to light a single 2inch of bud site that looks promising. So if i were to imagine how many cfls before I think i felt enough light it would have to be at least 25 cfls. That would be bright, but absolutely retarded. Same as anything over 5 or 6 cfls , i mean 50 bulbs in my eyes are also 50 oppurtunities for a fire or explosion. Where with my 1 400hps its 1 possibility. And if you havnt tried cfls yet. get one, youll see they all get damn hot. Especially after long use.

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If you are going to do word, excel and powerpuke then get windoze and a zune. Everybody running Vista, put your hands up....Come on, let's see them.

CFL's are new. You can grow better with other lamps. True. However, there was a day, when the results with the 'real lamps' was not so spectacular. White widow didn't happen over night. Do you think the breeder of AK-47 started with AK-47 or was it more like AK-123 or something.

My point is. Thru selective genetics, one could reasonably expect to produce a strain which 'did well' utilizing CFL's. And if that tipping point can be reached, well then, it is just a matter of time before we have new and exciting strains.

Of course, these are my opinions, and I'm probably wrong.

Your Grandfather said:

If you are going to do word, excel and powerpuke then get windoze and a zune. Everybody running Vista, put your hands up....Come on, let's see them.

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They make all of these programs for Mac as well. And as far as Vista goes, it will only be a matter of time before an all-inclusive Vista version of VirtualPC comes out. My Powerbook came with a full-XP version of VirtualPC when I bought it 3 years ago. I hardly ever use it, but every once in a while I have a .exe that I really need to run. I would just like to say that I am a Mac user, and proud of it.

S-Town

just use the cfls and the shop lights at the same time.

valuablevariable said:

I read almost everything in this thread and ive gotta say youre all talking in circles.
HID and HPS growers are raving about their lights being used in big spaces, FL people are happy with cloning where the length of the tubes arent a problem and CFL growers are just tired about people downing them because for their needs, aka spacewise, it is doing fine.
If you want to veg 2 plants, get some CFLs
If your veging 10+ plants like fdd then go ahead and use the FL
If your growing/flowering more than 5 plants and have the space get you HID and HPS

My growbox is like 2x2x2 feet. Cant argue that i should use anything besides CFLs.
Why do i use this space? My room is small as shit and yet this way i can grow enough bud for myself till next harvest.

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Amen brother. Sorry but he's right.

my wife just broke a CFL on the kitchen floor. the haz-mat team is on the way.

fdd2blk said:

my wife just broke a CFL on the kitchen floor. the haz-mat team is on the way.

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Rollin on the Floor Laffin My Ass Off,,,,hahahaha

Keep on Growin

HoLE

lmao nice one.

dont understand the concept, i been growing using CFL's for a while and result is excellent, obviously if u use household cfl's u dont get much in way of anything, seems that to much toking slows the brain and research capabilility dips below par, when i saw this picture of a cfl grow area, i nearly pissed myself laughing, i saw someone who really is out there in the land of nod... ....
The CFL's in the picture are for your toilet not the grow room, probably around 30% PAR which is why your plants look so sick.

I grow Lowryders autoflower type plants in this scenario, I use Serial Linked Nlite CFL's T5HO 24w 55cm tubes,100% PAR, ( Photosyntesis Active Radiation )
2 Purple 2 Blue and 2 Gold, during Vegetative growth, and 4 Red and 2 Purple during the last 4 weeks. And a 125w red in the centre of the grow area of 1.2 sq meters, and the plants yield between 24- 42 grams pr plant. and the quality of yield is excellent, I have enclosed a schematics build of a CFL grow room, for 12-18 plants perfect for the stealth grower and those who dont want their house to glow in the dark. I use 220mm PC cooling fans, 8 at the top and 8 at the bottom, and four USB desktop mini fans, all fits into my 1.1m x 1.1 m semicircular grow area, with a height of 1m 25cm, Build Circular if possible for maximum light penetration and distribution i run these on 24hr costing me less than a £5 a week

See Picture of my setup

xyberia44 said:

dont understand the concept, i been growing using CFL's for a while and result is excellent, obviously if u use household cfl's u dont get much in way of anything, seems that to much toking slows the brain and research capabilility dips below par, when i saw this picture of a cfl grow area, i nearly pissed myself laughing, i saw someone who really is out there in the land of nod... ....
The CFL's in the picture are for your toilet not the grow room, probably around 30% PAR which is why your plants look so sick.

I grow Lowryders autoflower type plants in this scenario, I use Serial Linked Nlite CFL's T5HO 24w 55cm tubes,100% PAR, ( Photosyntesis Active Radiation )
2 Purple 2 Blue and 2 Gold, during Vegetative growth, and 4 Red and 2 Purple during the last 4 weeks. And a 125w red in the centre of the grow area of 1.2 sq meters, and the plants yield between 24- 42 grams pr plant. and the quality of yield is excellent, I have enclosed a schematics build of a CFL grow room, for 12-18 plants perfect for the stealth grower and those who dont want their house to glow in the dark. I use 220mm PC cooling fans, 8 at the top and 8 at the bottom, and four USB desktop mini fans, all fits into my 1.1m x 1.1 m semicircular grow area, with a height of 1m 25cm, Build Circular if possible for maximum light penetration and distribution i run these on 24hr costing me less than a £5 a week

See Picture of my setup

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when i read you grow lowryder i did piss myself laughing.



CFL's are stupid. point made.

Do you lowryder take cfl to be your lawfully wedded wife? .....and they lived happily ever after.

SmokerE said:

Do you lowryder take cfl to be your lawfully wedded wife? .....and they lived happily ever after.

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hahaha so true

SmokerE said:

Do you lowryder take cfl to be your lawfully wedded wife? .....and they lived happily ever after.

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that's funny.

xyberia44 said:

dont understand the concept, i been growing using CFL's for a while and result is excellent, obviously if u use household cfl's u dont get much in way of anything, seems that to much toking slows the brain and research capabilility dips below par, when i saw this picture of a cfl grow area, i nearly pissed myself laughing, i saw someone who really is out there in the land of nod... ....
The CFL's in the picture are for your toilet not the grow room, probably around 30% PAR which is why your plants look so sick.

I grow Lowryders autoflower type plants in this scenario, I use Serial Linked Nlite CFL's T5HO 24w 55cm tubes,100% PAR, ( Photosyntesis Active Radiation )
2 Purple 2 Blue and 2 Gold, during Vegetative growth, and 4 Red and 2 Purple during the last 4 weeks. And a 125w red in the centre of the grow area of 1.2 sq meters, and the plants yield between 24- 42 grams pr plant. and the quality of yield is excellent, I have enclosed a schematics build of a CFL grow room, for 12-18 plants perfect for the stealth grower and those who dont want their house to glow in the dark. I use 220mm PC cooling fans, 8 at the top and 8 at the bottom, and four USB desktop mini fans, all fits into my 1.1m x 1.1 m semicircular grow area, with a height of 1m 25cm, Build Circular if possible for maximum light penetration and distribution i run these on 24hr costing me less than a £5 a week

See Picture of my setup

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ROFLMAO....lowryder...lol...cfls....lol......stupid cfls......

videoman40 said:

I believe that you are mistaken here, Home Depot does carry T-5's.
Finding a home depot employee with knowledge and who is willing to help you, is what you'll never find. Try looking at there under the counter lighting.
You'll find some T-5's there.
Peace

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Omg I nearly spit my coffee out on that one......lmao sooooooooo true....good products and horrible service...normally all u find by my local home depot and lowes is former students that just graduated from highschool and have no clue wth you are talking about.....Oh and to relate to the topic at hand I did a grow on just using cfls in a small grow cab closet and it was ok....the lights have to be as said before right on top of the plants to get any penetration....giving u a small plant with tight internodes....also I had to run 8 bulbs and the heat these little bulbs give out was crazy....good ventilation is a must also I found myself adjusting the light every single day..which can be a pain in the booty......In closing they do work but u need a lot of them,good venting, and need to constantly adjust ur lights...

If you can read i did not say i grow lowryder, but "lowryders" plural.... type plants, ie, small and auto, it seems there is alot of people with severe dyslexia in here, and yes there are good auto flowering bud out there, obviously, have not quite reached your part of redneck woods yet, ,,, I suppose you all still use 33.3 dial up modems too, ha ha ha ha ha , but hey there again thats why i see setups with toilet light bulbs.

NLITES Work!!! And unless you are commercial grower with shit loads of space and unlimited electricity supplies "as most of you sucess stories" in here, i am amazed you have time to hang around forums at all, as you all must well be well loaded $$$$$$$ and with your own branded seeds, let alone your own your own highly successfull seedbanks, , Attending the ganja cup in Damme with all your most excellent weed, ha ha ha ha ha , exponents of the Ganaja revolution of growing, and passing your years of intimate knowledge on, to us mere mortals. we bow and scrape for your most excellent knowledge...

when i used them my plant looked good but that was for only 2weeks then i was on to real light. and mine gave off allmost no heat and i dident have a vent weird. but if you have been using shop lights and hid lights it would appear that the cfl's are not working as good because there not how long did you use them for? just a thought.

xyberia44 said:

If you can read i did not say i grow lowryder, but "lowryders" plural.... type plants, ie, small and auto, it seems there is alot of people with severe dyslexia in here, and yes there are good auto flowering bud out there, obviously, have not quite reached your part of redneck woods yet, ,,, I suppose you all still use 33.3 dial up modems too, ha ha ha ha ha , but hey there again thats why i see setups with toilet light bulbs.

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I wouldn't waste my time with "ruderalis" genetics. Read what this has to say about ruderalis.

Cannabis ruderalis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About the autoflowering not reaching my part of the redneck woods......well in my hands I have

White Russian
Jack Herer
Skunk #1
Heavy Duty Fruity
Black Domina
Northern Lights
Pot O' Gold


I would much rather ruderalis stay in the ditches and what not where it belongs.