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DIY-HP-LED

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The graph treats only of temperatures. Neither population density nor energy use figure in.

Per Wiki, the Goose Bay average lows for Jan and Feb are below the -20 mark. Maybe the chart has nuances I don’t understand.

Going back to the graph and the data set, where was it collected from for the province? Historically it has been collected from manned and now automated weather stations and these are located near populated areas for practical reasons. The chart appears to be an average of reporting stations over time. If there are 100 stations in NFLD&L then 90 of them would be on the island where most of the population lives near the coast. So, if it is -20 in the interior of Labrador with one or two stations reporting it and those along the coast reporting warmer temps, it would make for a high overall average temp for the entire province. It matters where people live because that is where the weather stations are.
 

printer

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I’d imagine Kawawachikamach gets that cold on the regular. Boston has had temps below that mark. I remember a winter in DC when it hit seventeen below F, which is like -27°C. Maritime influence retreats before a brisk wind from the northwest.
It says that the location is the province's largest city.

I see you caught that now.
 

printer

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Going back to the graph and the data set, where was it collected from for the province? Historically it has been collected from manned and now automated weather stations and these are located near populated areas for practical reasons. The chart appears to be an average of reporting stations over time. If there are 100 stations in NFLD&L then 90 of them would be on the island where most of the population lives near the coast. So, if it is -20 in the interior of Labrador with one or two stations reporting it and those along the coast reporting warmer temps, it would make for a high overall average temp for the entire province. It matters where people live because that is where the weather stations are.
"province's largest city. "
 

Dorian2

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That apology is not good enough. This was an affront to our armed forces, their families, and every single Canadian citizen who gave and lost anything to those people.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I can’t believe he wasn’t vetted by the state department. A Ukrainian war hero who fought Russians in WW2? Nobody thought to check that out before we honoured a Nazi with standing ovations in parliament?

Shit like this only helps the populist.
Lots of Ukrainians fought with the Germans, after Stalin they were seen as liberators, in the beginning, but Hitler had a genocidal plan for them, but so did Stalin and tried first. If people knew some history, they would know this, once these guys made a deal with the Devil they were all in. I dunno anything about this particular guy, but I do know a bit of history, Jews lived more or less peacefully in Ukraine for centuries before the Nazis came.
 

CunningCanuk

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Lots of Ukrainians fought with the Germans, after Stalin they were seen as liberators, in the beginning, but Hitler had a genocidal plan for them, but so did Stalin and tried first. If people knew some history, they would know this, once these guys made a deal with the Devil they were all in. I dunno anything about this particular guy, but I do know a bit of history, Jews lived more or less peacefully in Ukraine for centuries before the Nazis came.
Yes, like you, I have some understanding of the geopolitical history of the region. Doesn’t our state department? Was it consulted?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Yes, like you, I have some understanding of the geopolitical history of the region. Doesn’t our state department? Was it consulted?
Foreign affairs obviously fucked up and should have vetted anybody from that era, a lot of people were let in after the war, during the early cold war and both sides made use of the worst of the Nazis. This guy might have been let in under national security concerns back then, Stalin was sending most Russian POWs to the gulag after the war. His government record could have sanitized decades ago, but his public one was obviously not, and perhaps they only looked at government records instead of using Google too!
 

CunningCanuk

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His government record could have sanitized decades ago, but his public one was obviously not, and perhaps they only looked at government records instead of using Google too!
I wonder if they checked anything. I would hope we are keeping track of the Nazis living among us.
 

CANON_Grow

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Seeing that Helmut Oberlander was WIDELY reported to be the last Nazi that was in Canada, and he is now dead, I can understand how the house speaker made this error. Yes it’s embarrassing, but unless he has made other comments that I haven’t seen that indicates this was anything other than an honest mistake, then removing him is extreme. If he feels that he should step down, I’m good with that.

Why hasn’t that Nazi been deported?

I prefer to judge a person’s character on their ability to admit when they are wrong, especially when it appears they had the best intentions. The alternative is no one ever admitting they were wrong because,, what’s the point? That sure sounds like the MAGA movement. No thanks, doesn’t look awesome to me.
 

printer

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A politician resigning due to a bad decision? That really happens?

Canada’s speaker resigns after inviting man who fought in Nazi unit to Zelenskyy visit
The Speaker of Canada’s House of Commons resigned on Tuesday after quick and fierce backlash for honoring a man who fought in a Nazi division during World War II.
Anthony Rota made a sudden but not unexpected announcement to the House of Commons to express “profound regret” and said he would step down as speaker by end of day Wednesday.

“That public recognition has caused pain to individuals and communities, including the Jewish community in Canada and around the world, in addition to survivors of Nazi atrocities in Poland, among other nations,” he said.

Canadian lawmakers gave a standing ovation to Yaroslav Hunka, 98, after Rota recognized him as a “hero” following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s historic speech in Parliament on Friday — a moment that produced some of the best visuals from Zelenskyy’s visit.
But the story took a twisted turn and burst into global headlines over the weekend when it came out that Hunka was part of the First Ukrainian Division, also known as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS under the Nazis.

“This was an embarrassment to Canadians and was completely unacceptable,” Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly said Tuesday before meeting with Cabinet.

Some opposition parties began to make calls for Rota’s resignation early Monday, when NDP House Leader Peter Julian said Rota broke a “sacred trust” with lawmakers.

But the issue only came to a head on Tuesday, when representatives of each party met with Rota. He remained in the speaker’s chair and presided over House of Commons proceedings Monday after apologizing despite much of the debate focusing on him.
Liberal House Leader Karina Gould said Rota invited and recognized Hunka “without informing either the government or the Ukrainian delegation or any parliamentarian that he was going to do this.”

Rota apologized on Monday after he became aware of Hunka’s Nazi past, although his comments have been brief and he has not taken questions from the media.

“I am deeply sorry that I have offended many with my gesture and remarks,” he said in Parliament.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called it “deeply embarrassing” for Canada, but he has not apologized following calls from opposition parties.
Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre posted on social media that Trudeau and Rota have “brought shame on Canada” but Rota’s resignation does not excuse “Trudeau’s failure to have his massive diplomatic and intelligence apparatus vet and prevent honoring a Nazi.”

State Department spokesperson Matt Miller was asked about the bizarre incident at his daily briefing in Washington and said “The Canadian government said they were not aware of that individual’s past and expressed regret for it, and that seems like the appropriate step.”
In Ottawa, some of Rota’s colleagues stepped forward to defend his character.

“I was elected with Anthony in 2004,” said Health Minister Mark Holland. “He’s a profoundly good man.”
Citizens’ Services Minister Terry Beech described it a “regrettable mistake” and said “nobody has been harder on Anthony Rota than Anthony Rota.”
The Liberals tried to strike the comments and recordings of Hunka’s recognition from the House of Commons record on Monday but the other parties opposed the move.

“It was an ugly reminder of what survivors of the Holocaust know too well: that we must never forget,” said Conservative MP Marty Morantz. “Deleting the text of the speaker’s words from [the official record] would have only one purpose: to try to forget what happened and wash the record clean.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
A politician resigning due to a bad decision? That really happens?

Canada’s speaker resigns after inviting man who fought in Nazi unit to Zelenskyy visit
The Speaker of Canada’s House of Commons resigned on Tuesday after quick and fierce backlash for honoring a man who fought in a Nazi division during World War II.
Anthony Rota made a sudden but not unexpected announcement to the House of Commons to express “profound regret” and said he would step down as speaker by end of day Wednesday.

“That public recognition has caused pain to individuals and communities, including the Jewish community in Canada and around the world, in addition to survivors of Nazi atrocities in Poland, among other nations,” he said.

Canadian lawmakers gave a standing ovation to Yaroslav Hunka, 98, after Rota recognized him as a “hero” following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s historic speech in Parliament on Friday — a moment that produced some of the best visuals from Zelenskyy’s visit.
But the story took a twisted turn and burst into global headlines over the weekend when it came out that Hunka was part of the First Ukrainian Division, also known as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS under the Nazis.

“This was an embarrassment to Canadians and was completely unacceptable,” Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly said Tuesday before meeting with Cabinet.

Some opposition parties began to make calls for Rota’s resignation early Monday, when NDP House Leader Peter Julian said Rota broke a “sacred trust” with lawmakers.

But the issue only came to a head on Tuesday, when representatives of each party met with Rota. He remained in the speaker’s chair and presided over House of Commons proceedings Monday after apologizing despite much of the debate focusing on him.
Liberal House Leader Karina Gould said Rota invited and recognized Hunka “without informing either the government or the Ukrainian delegation or any parliamentarian that he was going to do this.”

Rota apologized on Monday after he became aware of Hunka’s Nazi past, although his comments have been brief and he has not taken questions from the media.

“I am deeply sorry that I have offended many with my gesture and remarks,” he said in Parliament.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called it “deeply embarrassing” for Canada, but he has not apologized following calls from opposition parties.
Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre posted on social media that Trudeau and Rota have “brought shame on Canada” but Rota’s resignation does not excuse “Trudeau’s failure to have his massive diplomatic and intelligence apparatus vet and prevent honoring a Nazi.”

State Department spokesperson Matt Miller was asked about the bizarre incident at his daily briefing in Washington and said “The Canadian government said they were not aware of that individual’s past and expressed regret for it, and that seems like the appropriate step.”
In Ottawa, some of Rota’s colleagues stepped forward to defend his character.

“I was elected with Anthony in 2004,” said Health Minister Mark Holland. “He’s a profoundly good man.”
Citizens’ Services Minister Terry Beech described it a “regrettable mistake” and said “nobody has been harder on Anthony Rota than Anthony Rota.”
The Liberals tried to strike the comments and recordings of Hunka’s recognition from the House of Commons record on Monday but the other parties opposed the move.

“It was an ugly reminder of what survivors of the Holocaust know too well: that we must never forget,” said Conservative MP Marty Morantz. “Deleting the text of the speaker’s words from [the official record] would have only one purpose: to try to forget what happened and wash the record clean.”
I guess all Tories, people who blamed Trudeau are gonna apologize now...
 
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
A politician resigning due to a bad decision? That really happens?

Canada’s speaker resigns after inviting man who fought in Nazi unit to Zelenskyy visit
The Speaker of Canada’s House of Commons resigned on Tuesday after quick and fierce backlash for honoring a man who fought in a Nazi division during World War II.
Anthony Rota made a sudden but not unexpected announcement to the House of Commons to express “profound regret” and said he would step down as speaker by end of day Wednesday.

“That public recognition has caused pain to individuals and communities, including the Jewish community in Canada and around the world, in addition to survivors of Nazi atrocities in Poland, among other nations,” he said.

Canadian lawmakers gave a standing ovation to Yaroslav Hunka, 98, after Rota recognized him as a “hero” following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s historic speech in Parliament on Friday — a moment that produced some of the best visuals from Zelenskyy’s visit.
But the story took a twisted turn and burst into global headlines over the weekend when it came out that Hunka was part of the First Ukrainian Division, also known as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS under the Nazis.

“This was an embarrassment to Canadians and was completely unacceptable,” Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly said Tuesday before meeting with Cabinet.

Some opposition parties began to make calls for Rota’s resignation early Monday, when NDP House Leader Peter Julian said Rota broke a “sacred trust” with lawmakers.

But the issue only came to a head on Tuesday, when representatives of each party met with Rota. He remained in the speaker’s chair and presided over House of Commons proceedings Monday after apologizing despite much of the debate focusing on him.
Liberal House Leader Karina Gould said Rota invited and recognized Hunka “without informing either the government or the Ukrainian delegation or any parliamentarian that he was going to do this.”

Rota apologized on Monday after he became aware of Hunka’s Nazi past, although his comments have been brief and he has not taken questions from the media.

“I am deeply sorry that I have offended many with my gesture and remarks,” he said in Parliament.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called it “deeply embarrassing” for Canada, but he has not apologized following calls from opposition parties.
Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre posted on social media that Trudeau and Rota have “brought shame on Canada” but Rota’s resignation does not excuse “Trudeau’s failure to have his massive diplomatic and intelligence apparatus vet and prevent honoring a Nazi.”

State Department spokesperson Matt Miller was asked about the bizarre incident at his daily briefing in Washington and said “The Canadian government said they were not aware of that individual’s past and expressed regret for it, and that seems like the appropriate step.”
In Ottawa, some of Rota’s colleagues stepped forward to defend his character.

“I was elected with Anthony in 2004,” said Health Minister Mark Holland. “He’s a profoundly good man.”
Citizens’ Services Minister Terry Beech described it a “regrettable mistake” and said “nobody has been harder on Anthony Rota than Anthony Rota.”
The Liberals tried to strike the comments and recordings of Hunka’s recognition from the House of Commons record on Monday but the other parties opposed the move.

“It was an ugly reminder of what survivors of the Holocaust know too well: that we must never forget,” said Conservative MP Marty Morantz. “Deleting the text of the speaker’s words from [the official record] would have only one purpose: to try to forget what happened and wash the record clean.”
Did he resign only from the speakership? That would mean he is still a MP.
 
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