Can You Adam And Eve It?
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Sanifsan
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His comment reminds me of what Issac Newton once said, "I feel like a child who, while playing by the seashore, has found a few bright colored shells & a few pebbles ...while the whole vast ocean of truth stretches out almost untouched and unruffled before my eager fingers."
skunkushybrid
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We're not only searching for answers on this Earth, our travels are in space too. We're constantly looking to the stars for answers. Also too, we are studying things on this earth we can't even see, quantum physics.
We know so much more since Newton's time, have advanced, I imagine, well past the great man's wildest dreams. our physical appearance hasn't changed much because we have learned the capabilities to survive our given environments. With better hygiene our health and life expectancy has doubled since Newton's time.
To say that we aren't close to discovering the truth could well be a wrong guess. We could be nipping at it's heels, the answer right in front of us. Isn't this usually the way? Obviously, of course, the answer may not be on this earth. We're looking for a catalyst, a beginning, for there must have been one. Even if you want to accept creation, there then must have been a start for this too, a catalyst for the catalyst. The fact is, whether you believe in creation or evolution, something HAS to come from nothing somewhere.
We know so much more since Newton's time, have advanced, I imagine, well past the great man's wildest dreams. our physical appearance hasn't changed much because we have learned the capabilities to survive our given environments. With better hygiene our health and life expectancy has doubled since Newton's time.
To say that we aren't close to discovering the truth could well be a wrong guess. We could be nipping at it's heels, the answer right in front of us. Isn't this usually the way? Obviously, of course, the answer may not be on this earth. We're looking for a catalyst, a beginning, for there must have been one. Even if you want to accept creation, there then must have been a start for this too, a catalyst for the catalyst. The fact is, whether you believe in creation or evolution, something HAS to come from nothing somewhere.
and heres where the idea gets crazy... how can something come from nothing??? whether science or religion has the answer i don't know... but i still believe there is someone or something out there that has a much better idea then us... and i hope to one day whether here or elsewhere learn that answer myself... i guess what the real point is and what i believe is that we are here to learn... knowledge is power and i believe that when our physical bodies die here that our learning doesn't come to an end but that is just the beginning of our learning... i think our true purpose is understanding and i think we get more then 60 to 90 years to do that... i think we are put here because you have to have an understanding of the physical part of the universe before you can grasp the unknown part... i think death is just the beginning but we are put here to make the most of life and we should not hasten towards death but be willing to accept it when it comes... but i could be wrong...
skunkushybrid
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really nice frth, what a nice thing to believe (I mean it, no sarcasm). I really like the sound of it, 60-90 years (although we haven't always lived this long have we. Used to die a lot younger, apart from moses of course, wasn't he 900 odd?) to find enough understanding to qualify for the next level.
I'm assuming that this understanding has something (a lot) to do with faith in one of the gods. A belief, if you like. A strong enough belief, a real belief, real enough so that you can transcend. I honestly remember believing something very similar when I was your age, still do now a little if I'm honest. Only I miss the part out about transcendence now.
When I was much younger i really believed that if I believed enough i could travel out of my body. I suppose i did in a way, within my mind's eye at least. I don't believe it now of course, and I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that opinions will change as we get older, as reality reveals it's true harshness, as innocence disappears.
I'm assuming that this understanding has something (a lot) to do with faith in one of the gods. A belief, if you like. A strong enough belief, a real belief, real enough so that you can transcend. I honestly remember believing something very similar when I was your age, still do now a little if I'm honest. Only I miss the part out about transcendence now.
When I was much younger i really believed that if I believed enough i could travel out of my body. I suppose i did in a way, within my mind's eye at least. I don't believe it now of course, and I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that opinions will change as we get older, as reality reveals it's true harshness, as innocence disappears.
i can accept that... but i hope my views won't change i can also hope there is another level... pandora's box... the world is full of evils and harshness but there is hope also and that is our light in the darkness... i guess hope and faith are the same thing if you think about it... i just wish that so many people wouldn't give up on hope and that seems to be the way the worlds headed... and without the light of hope then we will be consumed by the darkness...
skunkushybrid
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hope and faith are completely different. I really wish you wouldn't keep insinuating that because i have no faith I have no hope. Faith in what? Hoping you're not going to die? Cease to exist?
When you're brain dies you are dead. just because an individual dies this does not mean that the rest of mankind give up hope. I think belief in an afterlife is vain, it is an individuals belief that someone such as he could not cease to exist. It really is hard to imagine not existing any more, it is the worst fear of all. Hell, in fact. We are in heaven now, that is what I believe.
When you're brain dies you are dead. just because an individual dies this does not mean that the rest of mankind give up hope. I think belief in an afterlife is vain, it is an individuals belief that someone such as he could not cease to exist. It really is hard to imagine not existing any more, it is the worst fear of all. Hell, in fact. We are in heaven now, that is what I believe.
Scepter1987
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Prove It... And I am serious, can you actually prove that you exist and are not just a mind set? Ponder that for a minute... As far as the God thing, I believe, I dont know how far into this debate i am going to go with it, but i may jump in a few times, quick question, If there is not God and he does not exist, tell me, How did the earth come to form? And I dont want any of this "Big Bang Theory" Bull Shit. I want something that would make sence.
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Scepter1987
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How can you honestly say that with a straight face...?
Scepter1987
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I believe in God, but I found this on a site and I thought I would throw it out there for the Hell of it.
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Best of Luck to you, I wont try, I will just stick to talking to myself..
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Best of Luck to you, I wont try, I will just stick to talking to myself..
skunkushybrid
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The same way you can say you believe in a fairy tale.
Scepter1987
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Fair enough i suppose... but earth seems more like a hell to me... Nobody likes eachother, they are always fighting and arguing about themselves, everything is about what We, The human being want, and more into it, we personally in our own minds care about ourselves nothing else.
i don't believe that you have no hope skunk... i just think the ideas of hope and faith are closlely related if not the same thing... i don't understand why faith has become a religious term... i mean i can have faith that everyone in the world will come together to make it a better place... or i can hope that everyone in the world will come together to make it a better place??? is there a difference???
skunkushybrid
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okay, if that's the definition of faith you are using, then I have plenty of that. I've said before that I believe Mankind will prosper, and one day conquer the stars. This is faith, when you compare it to the doomsayers.
Scepter, nobody likes each other because we haven't evolved to the next stage yet. we haven't liked each other for thousands of years, but I believe that we have moved forward in the liking each other stages. Yes, we still have wars, petty arguments that lead to murder... but we have moved on. Maybe due to stricter police control, maybe this has to be the future. If we are to survive, maybe we NEED to be controlled.
Scepter, nobody likes each other because we haven't evolved to the next stage yet. we haven't liked each other for thousands of years, but I believe that we have moved forward in the liking each other stages. Yes, we still have wars, petty arguments that lead to murder... but we have moved on. Maybe due to stricter police control, maybe this has to be the future. If we are to survive, maybe we NEED to be controlled.
Sanifsan
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I very much believe the same idea...Just live your life and have fun...believe me it will end in a blink of an eye....Does a 9 month old fetus about to be born has any idea about this world even though it is already in this world? I can only say that same is true with this world and the next....Also does it not take 9 months from two cells joining together to a baby being ready with eyes, ears, heart, brain, etc...to be born already equiped with the necessary limbs and organs for this world? So why do you think you don't need 90 years in this world to get ready for the next? there are plenty of examples like these "true opinions" that one can use to deduct the possiblity of the after-life
preoQpydDlusion
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Ill agree with that. if were gonna get off this planet, the only ppl that are going to leave are gonna be rich, government-chosen folk who can start an orderly and prosperous culture. at least for a few generations.
im happy i wont be around to see that, i love this planet
Sanifsan
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you're right, we are close to the truth...closer than ever before....but certain things need to come and pass first so that we may be pushed into that age of truth...and I say that age is at the door and we can hear it's footsteps....
Well, to everyone who doesn't believe in God and to those who don't believe it is worth talking about, why is this thread 24 pages long. Kind of ironic don't you think... I challenge you all to find ONE word wrong in the bible and SERIOUSLY PROVE IT. And don't feed me some crap about opinions or some Da Vinci Crap either, 80% of that movie's statistics and "facts" were completely fabricated.
Oh and by the way there is no such thing as an athiest....... Push him out of a plane and he will be praying to God before he hits the ground.
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Oh and by the way there is no such thing as an athiest....... Push him out of a plane and he will be praying to God before he hits the ground.
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skunkushybrid
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If I were the one dying, i would think of my family. Maybe a little terror too. Praying, no. What would be the point in praying? It's not going to stop you from dying. Praying is for well before you are dying, when that moment comes praying will be the furthest thing from anybody's mind.Well, to everyone who doesn't believe in God and to those who don't believe it is worth talking about, why is this thread 24 pages long. Kind of ironic don't you think... I challenge you all to find ONE word wrong in the bible and SERIOUSLY PROVE IT.
Ditto.
Oh and by the way there is no such thing as an athiest....... Push him out of a plane and he will be praying to God before he hits the ground.
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