can oyster shell flour sub for lime completely

Kind Sir said:

Greasemonkey is the organic guy I follow FYI. I also started organics pretty recently, the recipe Im giving you is from Buildasoil dot com. You can buy it premade, or put it together yourself.

From what I have learned, a big role in your soil recipe is quality EWC/Compost, also called "Humus."

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Keep following him u are gonna be lost in the moon., he says humus and virgin compost are the same so if i was referring to that then i was right., omg. Virgin compost is toxic it has gasses and diseases because is cooking mature compost is ready to use or semi mature, all of them are consider organic matter but humus is actually so old that there is no nutrients in it. Like i say examples like clay, sand ,perlite peat and others, u are lost bro and recommend u doing some reading. GL

I had to take this guy off of "Ignore" before I could see what he said lol.

tropicalcannabispatient said:

Keep following him u are gonna be lost in the moon., he says humus and virgin compost are the same so if i was referring to that then i was right., omg. Virgin compost is toxic it has gasses and diseases because is cooking mature compost is ready to use or semi mature, all of them are consider organic matter but humus is actually so old that there is no nutrients in it. Like i say examples like clay, sand ,perlite peat and others, u are lost bro and recommend u doing some reading. GL

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I am lost and you recommend I do some reading? Even if Im not super knowledgeable you are the ONLY person Ill ever put on an ignore list as I dont dabble in drama.

Kind Sir said:

I am lost and you recommend I do some reading? Even if Im not super knowledgeable you are the ONLY person Ill ever put on an ignore list as I dont dabble in drama.

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I forgot. @tropicalcannabispatient , he will say something really shitty and erase it later. Like I said, he already made my ignore list!
I was responding to him, but he erased it! I was not talking to you KindSir

MustangStudFarm said:

I forgot. Tropicalcannabis-something, he will say something really shitty and erase it later. Like I said, he already made my ignore list!
I was responding to him, but he erased it! I was not talking to you KindSir

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Yeah i was actually not even talking about u kindsir., it was to greasy monkey, i was actually trying to help u not to fallow wrong advice, or erroneous info., but do whatever u want u wont b the first or last in ignore me., but u know what? That i dont care and that doesn't take my sleep away., u just maybe got reading comprehension problems., because mustangstud understand it that it wasn't for you., i did say he will leave u in the moon, but i wasn't attacking u. read it again. Toke on ====~~

Kind Sir said:

I am lost and you recommend I do some reading? Even if Im not super knowledgeable you are the ONLY person Ill ever put on an ignore list as I dont dabble in drama.

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I was telling himmm to do some reading not to u?

pappybear said:

I am new to organics and i am trying to throw together a batch of super soil. Can i substitute dolomite lime with oyster shell flour. Andif so what is the ratio. Being my first attempt should i just follow the simple recipe that calls for lime? I only ask because i have oyster shell flour on hand and i hear its better anyway. Thanks in advance.

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Another 'short' answer (with apologies to GMM), is yes, you can sub OSF for dolomite on a 1 to 1 basis. I do it fairly regulary, mainly on re-amends where more Mg is not needed.

I do totally agree with GMM in that, that particular recipe's sauce is weak. The best way I can put it without more typing than I care to do right now.

Anyone who is serious about organics rather than just the idea of organics or, talking the talk, will have a worm bin. That is, walking the walk. Just that simple.

HTH

Wet

tropicalcannabispatient said:

Yeah i was actually not even talking about u kindsir., it was to greasy monkey, i was actually trying to help u not to fallow wrong advice, or erroneous info., but do whatever u want u wont b the first or last in ignore me., but u know what? That i dont care and that doesn't take my sleep away., u just maybe got reading comprehension problems., because mustangstud understand it that it wasn't for you., i did say he will leave u in the moon, but i wasn't attacking u. read it again. Toke on ====~~

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if you consider sand and perlite as humus, then it's unfortunate.
Also if you read my posts I SPECIFICALLY said that compost and humus are essentially the same when finished. Not sure where you gleamed anything about virgin compost
If it's erroneous, please show me how.
And you're right, I know nothing of growing cannabis.
Lead ya to the moon is what I say...
But like said, I'm fairly laidback, but i'll say one thing, arguing with me publicly on a forum isn't the wisest thing, when it comes to growing organically.
So fire away my friend.

greasemonkeymann said:

not really though man, the end result is the same.
depends on if the compost is done or not.
But you are right if you are referring to compost in it's "unfinished" nature

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here, i'm quoting my earlier post, since you didn't read it.

tropicalcannabispatient said:

compost even if it is mature is nothing more than decomposing organic matter in is decaying stage supplies nutrients., humus is nothing more than organic matter already decomposed and depleted of its nutrients, is more of a really stable material that still 'maybe' have some nutrient values but in other words in a so fuckt up stage that plants can't even use them, they are done, finito, finish, in mature compost are living organisms breaking down nutrients for plants to absorb, humus anyways is still called organic matter but really with no value, even clay is a type of humus, humus is just really hard to define. Take it or leave it.

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and ya hear that fellas?
"humus anyways is still organic matter, but really with no value"

good to know that one...
and I"M the one leading guys to the moon....

tropicalcannabispatient said:

Keep following him u are gonna be lost in the moon., he says humus and virgin compost are the same so if i was referring to that then i was right., omg. Virgin compost is toxic it has gasses and diseases because is cooking mature compost is ready to use or semi mature, all of them are consider organic matter but humus is actually so old that there is no nutrients in it. Like i say examples like clay, sand ,perlite peat and others, u are lost bro and recommend u doing some reading. GL

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and you are quite foolish if you think humus is free of nutrients
Go bag up some leaves, let them compost, and then have it checked for it's nutritional content..
How do trees stay green?
Mythical fairy that sprinkles nitrogen at night?

Wetdog said:

Another 'short' answer (with apologies to GMM), is yes, you can sub OSF for dolomite on a 1 to 1 basis. I do it fairly regulary, mainly on re-amends where more Mg is not needed.

I do totally agree with GMM in that, that particular recipe's sauce is weak. The best way I can put it without more typing than I care to do right now.

Anyone who is serious about organics rather than just the idea of organics or, talking the talk, will have a worm bin. That is, walking the walk. Just that simple.

HTH

Wet

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good information to know regarding being able to sub the oyster flour for the dolomite lime, if experience has proved that's possible, then that's good to know.
I would have thought it wasn't soluble enough
And there isn't any need for apologies my friend, I never ever claim to be 100% accurate... (see sig)
I'd say a lot to do with that is depending on if you are using peat or coco, also.

tropicalcannabispatient said:

I was telling himmm to do some reading not to u?

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Just wanted to say im sorry and to forget about it. I never use ignore and shouldnt have said that. No reply is necessary, I wanted to say post #21 confused me and thats why I replied the way I did. Im truly a kindhearted person and I apologize if I caused you any aggravation. Take care man.

Kind Sir said:

Just wanted to say im sorry and to forget about it. I never use ignore and shouldnt have said that. No reply is necessary, I wanted to say post #21 confused me and thats why I replied the way I did. Im truly a kindhearted person and I apologize if I caused you any aggravation. Take care man.

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fairly certain he was simply instigating... Can't think of any other reason to say something that inflammatory and incorrect
It's all good man, we all know you are a mellow dude.
Sometimes the ignore feature is a damn good tool though.

greasemonkeymann said:

here, i'm quoting my earlier post, since you didn't read it.


and ya hear that fellas?
"humus anyways is still organic matter, but really with no value"

good to know that one...
and I"M the one leading guys to the moon....

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Here dude learn something new. Organic matter - stuff that came from biological sources (should be biological matter. Diamonds and graphite don't decompose!) This includes humus, mature compost, immature compost, freshly cut plants, live plants, etc. Now it is organic matter or not? U learn always something new everyday., just be open and don't think u know everything...

tropicalcannabispatient said:

Here dude learn something new. Organic matter - stuff that came from biological sources (should be biological matter. Diamonds and graphite don't decompose!) This includes humus, mature compost, immature compost, freshly cut plants, live plants, etc. Now it is organic matter or not? U learn always something new everyday., just be open and don't think u know everything... though guy

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you are completely correct, I will immediately take out all my humus from my soil and compost pile, thank you for enlightening me.
Did you mean "tough guy"?
My diamonds I love to use for it's awesome CEC rate, good stuff.
I still fail to see where I was supposed to learn something...

maybe we could get back on topic instead of ruining OP's thread with argumentative banter

provide helpful insight, recipes and other things rather than simply arguing ya know?

sunni said:

maybe we could get back on topic instead of ruining OP's thread with argumentative banter

provide helpful insight, recipes and other things rather than simply arguing ya know?

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or we could simply acknowledge that he is categorically incorrect.
Sunni you should know that 99.9% of my posts are purely helpful insight.

greasemonkeymann said:

if you consider sand and perlite as humus, then it's unfortunate.
Also if you read my posts I SPECIFICALLY said that compost and humus are essentially the same when finished. Not sure where you gleamed anything about virgin compost
If it's erroneous, please show me how.
And you're right, I know nothing of growing cannabis.
Lead ya to the moon is what I say...
But like said, I'm fairly laidback, but i'll say one thing, arguing with me publicly on a forum isn't the wisest thing, when it comes to growing organically.
So fire away my friend.

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Read man. Learn something. To this end, soil scientists break up the components of soil into categories. The portion that is the stable organic component is then refered to as humus, the portion that it is sand, clay, and related particles is silicates, the OM that is still decaying is, surprisingly, decaying organic matter. A simple way to look at this from the scientists perspective is to think of potting mix made from 1/3 peat, 1/3 compost, 1/3 sand or perlite. Peat is pretty much in its final state. It may have been that way for thousands of years, and may continue to be. Peat is humus. The compost, even if mature, is still breaking down and supplying nutrients. It is the decaying OM. The sand is the silicates.

greasemonkeymann said:

you are completely correct, I will immediately take out all my humus from my soil and compost pile, thank you for enlightening me.
Did you mean "tough guy"?
My diamonds I love to use for it's awesome CEC rate, good stuff.
I still fail to see where I was supposed to learn something...

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U say that i was incorrect at saying that humus is not organic matter when IT IS.. That is your new learning of the day, and by the way i dont consider this an "argument" rather i classified as a lotttt of good info for people that grows organically. So people can come to this thread and learn something new that maybe they ignored. Happy growing to everyone!! Im done and out!! Peaceeeeee!!

tropicalcannabispatient said:

U say that i was incorrect at saying that humus is not organic matter when IT IS.. That is your new learning of the day, and by the way i dont consider this an "argument" rather i classified as a lotttt of good info for people that grows organically. So people can come to this thread and learn something new that maybe they ignored. Happy growing to everyone!! Im done and out!! Peaceeeeee!!

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holy crap man.
WHEN did I say that at all??
You got some good herb my friend, orrr are possibly putting rocks of some sort in your bowls
All the love to ya, but I think you umm, totally mistook what I said, like completely.
just to clear things up, innnnn a totally pacifist Friday kinda way...
you said two things that I disagree with (in a purely factual way, and with all respect)
"compost and humus are 'very' different" WRONG
and the comment regarding humus being "old" and having "no nuntrients in it". My theory is that you are confusing it with peat bog, another type of humus, that is in fact, very old, and almost devoid of nutrients, in the traditional macro sense.
I never, ever, ever, said anything about it being organic???
nor did I say anything about virgin compost being humus.

Seriously man, you are totally manifesting some crazy shit.
It's alllll right there, still written down, and the thread is short. go re-read it, and we can have a nice big bro-hug after..
Lets just leave it at that.
And i'm still confused about the whole "diamonds" reference...