Can I re pot in flower. In need of urgent help!

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I’m still not sure that is enough water. I do see runoff in last pic, which is good! Cannibas loves a good wet / dry cycle. Without knowing the plant or entire medium, it’s hard to guess the appropriate watering amount without just going by runoff.

For soil - good rule of thumb at this stage is approx 1qt per gallon pot. So that would have you watering 2.5-3 gallons for that size pot, which is closer to 10 liters. More or less, based on runoff..

I like cowboys idea of watering again in an hour. It’s not going to hurt any more than a flush and it may need a flush. Since you were growing in coco, then composte (alone? You mentioned pebbles?) and possibly underwatering, it’s also possible it has salt buildup, dried out roots, or both. Buildup would cause drainage issue, and if it’s bad enough to effect drainage, it would also cause wilting. A good flush would help with any of these possibilities. Random thoughts while I sit at work...lol(:
 
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Queen2Green said:
I’m still not sure that is enough water. I do see runoff in last pic, which is good! Cannibas loves a good wet / dry cycle. Without knowing the plant or entire medium, it’s hard to guess the appropriate watering amount without just going by runoff.

For soil - good rule of thumb at this stage is approx 1qt per gallon pot. So that would have you watering 2.5-3 gallons for that size pot, which is closer to 10 liters. More or less, based on runoff..

I like cowboys idea of watering again in an hour. It’s not going to hurt any more than a flush and it may need a flush. Since you were growing in coco, then composte (alone? You mentioned pebbles?) and possibly underwatering, it’s also possible it has salt buildup, dried out roots, or both. Buildup would cause drainage issue, and if it’s bad enough to effect drainage, it would also cause wilting. A good flush would help with any of these possibilities. Random thoughts while I sit at work...lol(:
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Thanks for that mate yeah I'm going to give her a good flush first thing in the morning she's in a 40 liter pot so is 5 liters enough for tomrorow considering I just have her 4 tonight I thibk I have been under watering these last 2 weeks. And it's just compost with added nutes just your standard compost mate cost me like 3.50 the strain is purple stardawg at first I thought her new purple stems where genetics but now I'm thinking stress
 
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Merkn4aSquirtn said:
Definitely need to fill the rest of the pot.
You’re probably not watering enough when you do.
Try saturating it enough to get back 10-20% water runoff.
I wouldn’t attempt another repot, you’ll end up hurting your final results.
Looks like you’re in transition to bloom. Adjust your nutrients accordingly and follow above directions and you should see an improvement. Gl
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I still think it needs more water than what you just gave it. I didn't even realize that you were in a 10g container. Its definitely underwatered and don't be scared to pour 2 or so gallons in. I also read that you're growing in coco too??? You should be running 2 or 3 gallons a day through there if thats the case. The chances of you overwatering in coco is almost nonexistent. Disregard that line if you're not in coco. Just a comment I read while scrolling through.
 
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Ben219191 said:
Thanks for that mate yeah I'm going to give her a good flush first thing in the morning she's in a 40 liter pot so is 5 liters enough for tomrorow considering I just have her 4 tonight I thibk I have been under watering these last 2 weeks. And it's just compost with added nutes just your standard compost mate cost me like 3.50 the strain is purple stardawg at first I thought her new purple stems where genetics but now I'm thinking stress
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Yvw! For a flush, you’re going to need a lot more water than that. A soil flush would be 3x the volume of your container so 120L. Not 100% sure with your medium. You want to run water slowly through the plant. You will know when you’re about done flushing because the runoff will look clean compared to when you started. It’s a good idea to flush prior to flowering anyways, to avoid salt and nutrient buildup. Especially when she’s been under watered, because the point of watering until 10-20% run off, is wet/dry cycle and to avoid nutrient and salt buildup in root zone.

Purple stems are probably not stress, more likely a deficiency, if not hereditary. Going to scroll back up and look at that.. maybe post a close up pic. Or I’ll get on computer when I get home and take a look..
Edit: Looked, and it appears to be isolated spots? Not sure. Could be numerous things. Need more info.

Pebbles are good for drainage as long as they are mixed in with medium. If you added pebbles to the bottom of pot only, that will not help with drainage.
Edit: I see after you said no pebbles, you forgot. Are you only using compost then? From what I understand, compost on its own drains and dries quickly. It also compacts over time. That would possibly explain the sudden drainage issue, if the compost is getting compacted.

Merks point is exactly why I mentioned it being in coco prior veg, before the compost. Coco must stay wet at all times. So if it was under watered at that point - it would possibly have damaged roots and nutrient and/or salt buildup. Would need more info on that also. How long ago did you transplant?

If you decide not to go with the flush, I would give her at least 2 more gallons (7.5L) of water in the morning. Id honestly water until 20% runoff. Unless there’s new info, like she’s had drastic change for the worse. Then maybe get more advice first.

I mainly grow indoors. So it’s possible I’m overlooking something that could be causing this. I’m pretty positive she’s just thirsty. Let us know what happens. I’m emotionally invested in this girl now, haha!
 
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Queen2Green said:
Yvw! For a flush, you’re going to need a lot more water than that. A soil flush would be 3x the volume of your container so 120L. Not 100% sure with your medium. You want to run water slowly through the plant. You will know when you’re about done flushing because the runoff will look clean compared to when you started. It’s a good idea to flush prior to flowering anyways, to avoid salt and nutrient buildup. Especially when she’s been under watered, because the point of watering until 10-20% run off, is wet/dry cycle and to avoid nutrient and salt buildup in root zone.

Purple stems are probably not stress, more likely a deficiency, if not hereditary. Going to scroll back up and look at that.. maybe post a close up pic. Or I’ll get on computer when I get home and take a look..
Edit: Looked, and it appears to be isolated spots? Not sure. Could be numerous things. Need more info.

Pebbles are good for drainage as long as they are mixed in with medium. If you added pebbles to the bottom of pot only, that will not help with drainage.
Edit: I see after you said no pebbles, you forgot. Are you only using compost then? From what I understand, compost on its own drains and dries quickly. It also compacts over time. That would possibly explain the sudden drainage issue, if the compost is getting compacted.

Merks point is exactly why I mentioned it being in coco prior veg, before the compost. Coco must stay wet at all times. So if it was under watered at that point - it would possibly have damaged roots and nutrient and/or salt buildup. Would need more info on that also. How long ago did you transplant?

If you decide not to go with the flush, I would give her at least 2 more gallons (7.5L) of water in the morning. Id honestly water until 20% runoff. Unless there’s new info, like she’s had drastic change for the worse. Then maybe get more advice first.

I mainly grow indoors. So it’s possible I’m overlooking something that could be causing this. I’m pretty positive she’s just thirsty. Let us know what happens. I’m emotionally invested in this girl now, haha!
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Thank you for taking the time to write that up really appreciate it.... So starting of with the cooc soil she was in before she was doing amazing in it no issues at all it was just the pot was to small, so she was re potted to this big 40 liter pot around a month and half ago and was doing even better!! A month and half down the line and I think bk what your saying about compost getting compact is happening as before it was easily movable in the pot now its solid compact compost! I took your advice and watered her 7 liters in the morning I see alot of run off water that looked quite clear so was happy with that. I will add this, I've not been adding alot of feed I wanted an organic plan with not much feed so she's been getting maybe 3 drops of baby bio each Saturday.... And yes the purple stems I'm unsure why they have appeared I mean she's purple stardawg would it be genetics?? Well 2 days after 8 liters and she's looking like this today I mean the pot is heavy as fuck!! So I know she can't need any more water surely!!! And another big added note is I live in the UK!!! Our weather has been shit we have like 4 days of a sun a week ther 3 are cloudy and raining. Our highest temps have been maybe 22 one day this weekk rest around 17 I'm just adding this in so you get a rough understanding of my grow environment.... Anyways guys this is her today still looking sad and it's killing me... When I'm back from work I'll take close ups of the purple and rest of the plant
 

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Ben219191

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Queen2Green said:
Yvw! For a flush, you’re going to need a lot more water than that. A soil flush would be 3x the volume of your container so 120L. Not 100% sure with your medium. You want to run water slowly through the plant. You will know when you’re about done flushing because the runoff will look clean compared to when you started. It’s a good idea to flush prior to flowering anyways, to avoid salt and nutrient buildup. Especially when she’s been under watered, because the point of watering until 10-20% run off, is wet/dry cycle and to avoid nutrient and salt buildup in root zone.

Purple stems are probably not stress, more likely a deficiency, if not hereditary. Going to scroll back up and look at that.. maybe post a close up pic. Or I’ll get on computer when I get home and take a look..
Edit: Looked, and it appears to be isolated spots? Not sure. Could be numerous things. Need more info.

Pebbles are good for drainage as long as they are mixed in with medium. If you added pebbles to the bottom of pot only, that will not help with drainage.
Edit: I see after you said no pebbles, you forgot. Are you only using compost then? From what I understand, compost on its own drains and dries quickly. It also compacts over time. That would possibly explain the sudden drainage issue, if the compost is getting compacted.

Merks point is exactly why I mentioned it being in coco prior veg, before the compost. Coco must stay wet at all times. So if it was under watered at that point - it would possibly have damaged roots and nutrient and/or salt buildup. Would need more info on that also. How long ago did you transplant?

If you decide not to go with the flush, I would give her at least 2 more gallons (7.5L) of water in the morning. Id honestly water until 20% runoff. Unless there’s new info, like she’s had drastic change for the worse. Then maybe get more advice first.

I mainly grow indoors. So it’s possible I’m overlooking something that could be causing this. I’m pretty positive she’s just thirsty. Let us know what happens. I’m emotionally invested in this girl now, haha!
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Well just got back from work and this is her now I definitely think it's an issue with either over/under watering... I'm more swaying towards the over watering side only beacuse after the 8 liters she didn't perk up at all just carried on looking droopy her leaves look okay it's more the stem/branch thats dropping, she's heavy as hell to lift feels as if she's got plenty of water the top soil feels moist since the 8 liters but the only thing is her leaves feel firm it's not like her leaves are full and soft there like papper to touch, omg I'm so confused it's like she has signs of under and over watering which can't even be the case!!! She's driving me crazy lol even after a nice run off with clear water she still doesn't look happy surely after a nice water she would perk right up not carry on looking droopy.. my theory is I'm going to give her 3 days no water if she hasn't perked up by then I've got no choice but to re pot lift her out see what's going on down there. If u think I'm making a big mistake tell me or if I'm jjsy being an idiot and she's still thirsty and I'm reading the signs wrong
I'm still quite new to all this.
 

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Well just got back from work and this is her now I definitely think it's an issue with either over/under watering... I'm more swaying towards the over watering side only beacuse after the 8 liters she didn't perk up at all just carried on looking droopy her leaves look okay it's more the stem/branch thats dropping, she's heavy as hell to lift feels as if she's got plenty of water the top soil feels moist since the 8 liters but the only thing is her leaves feel firm it's not like her leaves are full and soft there like papper to touch, omg I'm so confused it's like she has signs of under and over watering which can't even be the case!!! She's driving me crazy lol even after a nice run off with clear water she still doesn't look happy surely after a nice water she would perk right up not carry on looking droopy.. my theory is I'm going to give her 3 days no water if she hasn't perked up by then I've got no choice but to re pot lift her out see what's going on down there. If u think I'm making a big mistake tell me or if I'm jjsy being an idiot and she's still thirsty and I'm reading the signs wrong
I'm still quite new to all this.
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Yvw, darn was hoping when you didn't post yesterday all was good. Ok, so definitely not underwatered as she would have for sure perked up. I don't think overwatered either based on what you were watering in that pot size and your prior explanations.

It's not light nutes, you probably don't need nutes in straight compost. If anything, you'd likely have to much nutes rather than little. Have you checked root zone ph? I didn't think was that at first, due to her looking good overall minus the drooping..but with watering eliminated and you mentioning the leaves paper dry. It's always a possibility.

Heat will make then droop but you said UK & weathers been mild and rainy. What's the humidity and air circulation like? If it's been warm and hit a cool spell with rain and humidity she could drop because of that. That wouldn't cause dry leaves though. If you have a microscope, take a look for bugs too. Compost being compacted would affect breathing, drinking, roots, and cause dry leaves and drooping.

Numerous other possible causes. I would check rootzone ph and pop her out asap and see what's going. I only say that due to the straight compost medium easily compacts. I wouldn't wait 3 days, go ahead and do it as soon as she dries up. If compacted you're going to need to break it up a bit. Youll want her wet again to do that with least damage, can moisten once out of pot if needed. You don't want to chip away at a rootzone that's cemented up. Chopsticks work well for that, if you have some real ones that can be disinfected prior. I would also add soil/perlite or something to the compost when transplanting so doesn't compact in flower.

Don't worry too much, she is still plenty healthy. There's tons of reasons leaves will droop.. Just a matter of elimination and you'll figure it out!
 
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Ben219191

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Queen2Green said:
Yvw, darn was hoping when you didn't post yesterday all was good. Ok, so definitely not underwatered as she would have for sure perked up. I don't think overwatered either based on what you were watering in that pot size and your prior explanations.

It's not light nutes, you probably don't need nutes in straight compost. If anything, you'd likely have to much nutes rather than little. Have you checked root zone ph? I didn't think was that at first, due to her looking good overall minus the drooping..but with watering eliminated and you mentioning the leaves paper dry. It's always a possibility.

Heat will make then droop but you said UK & weathers been mild and rainy. What's the humidity and air circulation like? If it's been warm and hit a cool spell with rain and humidity she could drop because of that. That wouldn't cause dry leaves though. If you have a microscope, take a look for bugs too. Compost being compacted would affect breathing, drinking, roots, and cause dry leaves and drooping.

Numerous other possible causes. I would check rootzone ph and pop her out asap and see what's going. I only say that due to the straight compost medium easily compacts. I probably wouldn't wait 3 days, go ahead and do it when you get a chance. If compacted you're going to need to break it up a bit. Chopsticks work well for that, if you have some real ones that can be disinfected prior. I would also add soil/perlite or something to the compost when transplanting so doesn't compact in flower.

Don't worry too much, she is still plenty healthy. There's tons of reasons leaves will droop.. Just a matter of elimination and you'll figure it out!
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My exact thinking. I've eliminated over watering by leaving her 2 days to dry out no perking up I then fed her around 8 liters still nothing with good run off... I'm at work tomrorow but finish early on Fridays so I'm off straight away to get a new pot and compost and see what the hell is going on down there when I take her out.. Don't get me wrong I'm very worried I've never taking a flower out this big and in pre flower she's around 3 and half foot nearly 4... I carefully cracked her open near one of her drainage holes the soil looked and felt normal I took a pic nothing much can just see her roots..but yeah I will get some pics of what she looks like once she's out of there and let you know what the problem is that's if i figure it out lol. I have a mate who's not been able to get down who's grown for awhile who's going to help re pot her. Before any one says why have I not asked him I have frequently lol and he says without seeing in person it's hard to tell as like you say drooping can be caused by numerous things normally is watering but not this time I don't think... Thanks for all your info and help it's helped me masivley to not over panic and think I've killed her haha
 
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You may have dried her out too much. This creates channels in soil that water flows through leaving the rest of plant dry. Get a helper & turn her upside down pop her out & have a look. If she is sopped I would rapidly in shade trim back any root that appears rotted & pop into new medium & then water her back in & pack soil tightly. Cannabis hates wet feet. I leave mine 4 days no water but then they must be watered & fed slowly & completely allowing all soil to wet. Avoid pouring water into one spot! Another is I would pretty much lollipop her out. Leave the last three buds on big limbs & air her out of fan leaves once she has recovered a bit. You could put her into a larger pot as well & pack new soil around root ball.
 
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My exact thinking. I've eliminated over watering by leaving her 2 days to dry out no perking up I then fed her around 8 liters still nothing with good run off... I'm at work tomrorow but finish early on Fridays so I'm off straight away to get a new pot and compost and see what the hell is going on down there when I take her out.. Don't get me wrong I'm very worried I've never taking a flower out this big and in pre flower she's around 3 and half foot nearly 4... I carefully cracked her open near one of her drainage holes the soil looked and felt normal I took a pic nothing much can just see her roots..but yeah I will get some pics of what she looks like once she's out of there and let you know what the problem is that's if i figure it out lol. I have a mate who's not been able to get down who's grown for awhile who's going to help re pot her. Before any one says why have I not asked him I have frequently lol and he says without seeing in person it's hard to tell as like you say drooping can be caused by numerous things normally is watering but not this time I don't think... Thanks for all your info and help it's helped me masivley to not over panic and think I've killed her haha
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No problem, I could tell u were a bit panicked when you worried about killing her. She is far from dead, you are good seriously. Plenty of time to recover, and as long as your careful when transplanting it's fine.

Happy to hear your mate is coming by to help, sooner is better and then you can tip her wet. I said that at first then I edited to dry after thinking about size and damage risk of doing alone since you said sopping wet lol.

Roots in that pic look good and can see medium loose there.. so I doubt is badly compacted. Maybe a bit mid pot hence your drainage issue. Honestly the more you talk about it, I doubt that's the issue either.

Check the ph first if you can. I sure your mate will have some ideas too. It would be a shame to tip her for no reason. Best of luck, I look forward to an update:leaf:
 
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Queen2Green said:
No problem, I could tell u were a bit panicked when you worried about killing her. She is far from dead, you are good seriously. Plenty of time to recover, and as long as your careful when transplanting it's fine.

Happy to hear your mate is coming by to help, sooner is better and then you can tip her wet. I said that at first then I edited to dry after thinking about size and damage risk of doing alone since you said sopping wet lol.

Roots in that pic look good and can see medium loose there.. so I doubt is badly compacted. Maybe a bit mid pot hence your drainage issue. Honestly the more you talk about it, I doubt that's the issue either.

Check the ph first if you can. I sure your mate will have some ideas too. It would be a shame to tip her for no reason. Best of luck, I look forward to an update:leaf:
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Thank you so much she's getting re potted soon as i finish work fingers crossed all goes well.. Still has a bit of a droop this morning not got any worse pots still heavy like a mother fucker it's like it's not getting lighter 2 days since watering.... Well this is the last pic of her before she's re potted wish me luck guys. I won't bore u with daily updates I'll leave it 2-3 days and send pics to show how she did with re potting ill post pics tonight of what she looked like being taken out. Lol I need this girl to survive she's me few months of free smoke lmao can't have a her being poorly
 
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Her this morning and shit guys I just thought isn't it bad to re pot a plant unless she's dry as a damp lift out could cause the rootball to rip apart??? She has been 2 days since watering thought I'd ask lol
 

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I have had deer rip 5 and 6 weeks into flowering plants right out of the ground, and I have found them laying on the ground all wilted up, and I have just stuck them back into ground the best I could adding some new soil to the top of the hole and every plant I have ever had to do that to has come right back and finished out nicely, yeah some had many branches n' shit torn away from the plant, but none of that really effected the plant because everyone of them looked all proud in a few days, so I feel like any kind of re-potting and at anytime has really no ill effect on a mature cannabis plant!
 
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you should water her 10 liters per day every morning otherwise it's not gonna be enough
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So this is an underwatering issue then?? It's what I've been thinking today. Droopy stem/branch but leaves dry like paper no clawing leaves nothing! If your telling me 10 liters every morning I've been watering her so wrong and she's been getting like 3 liters every 2-3 days! But she dropped before I watered her then someone said give her 8 liters so I did and she still drooped
 
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