CALMAG IS NOT A THING

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Livingblacksoil said:
Two as one. Burgerfry, pineappleplum, kalecorn.

Can anyone help me understand why there's so many posts about CALMAG deficiencies on RIU?

Calcium and Magnesium are different, not interchangeable. Am I missing something, besides capitalism?

Come at me bro
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You are confused. CalMag is a thing. A "CalMag deficiency" is not a thing however. You could have a Mag deficiency, a Cal deficiency, or both.

The reason that they put them together is because Cal and Mag are antagonists to each other. Give a plant too much Cal and it will create a "Mag deficiency", and vice vs, which is why they are often applied together.
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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ComputerSaysNo said:
Who told you that? You really seem to be quite convinced. Are you a chemist?

Meanwhile, I couldn't resist going to the Advanced Nutrients website and reading about their CalMag product (it's called Sensi Cal Mag Xtra®). Uncovering the following:

Most Cal-Mag Additives Are Designed for… Tomatoes!​
And they lack the additional nutrients your cannabis is starving for.​
And just like you wouldn’t feed your dog fish food…​
You shouldn’t feed your complex plants a solution made for a vegetable.​
At least, you wouldn’t be doing your crop any favors.​
In fact, if you’ve ever used a generic Cal-Mag additive… only to watch your garden’s condition worsen over time...​

And, to be honest, that perfectly explains why CalMag has such a bad rep here. You've all been using the wrong CalMag (the tomato one). Of course it did nothing for you.
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tomatoes are not vegetables they’re fruits omg what a mess
 
Gregshed

Gregshed

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The definition of fruit doesn't satisfy everyone, to a botanist yes but it's legal standing is vegetable. There are plenty of vegetables which are botanically fruits but whose nutrition definition is vegetable. Tomatoes by law are traded under vegetable not fruit in most countries.

Before people disagree consider that many berries are botanically not berries, some fruits are botanically vegetables and many nuts are not nuts, I could call a coconut a seed not a nut.

It's a pointless argument, if we call a fruit a vegetable it is a vegetable and if we call some nuts nuts they aren't seeds or drupes unless your looking for it's botanical classification which as discussed doesn't satisfy its use or nutritional value.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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crimsonecho said:
tomatoes are not vegetables they’re fruits omg what a mess
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Gregshed said:
The definition of fruit doesn't satisfy everyone, to a botanist yes but it's legal standing is vegetable. There are plenty of vegetables which are botanically fruits but whose nutrition definition is vegetable. Tomatoes by law are traded under vegetable not fruit in most countries.

Before people disagree consider that many berries are botanically not berries, some fruits are botanically vegetables and many nuts are not nuts, I could call a coconut a seed not a nut.

It's a pointless argument, if we call a fruit a vegetable it is a vegetable and if we call some nuts nuts they aren't seeds or drupes unless your looking for it's botanical classification which as discussed doesn't satisfy its use or nutritional value.
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Tomato is a berry.
 
Gregshed

Gregshed

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Berries are botanically fruits but we don't take just one classification as the only classification which is where those arguments fall apart.

We can classify in many ways, tomato is also classified a vegetable so we have to accept there's more than one answer and no one answer satisfies all classifications.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Gregshed said:
Berries are botanically fruits but we don't take just one classification as the only classification which is where those arguments fall apart.

We can classify in many ways, tomato is also classified a vegetable so we have to accept there's more than one answer and no one answer satisfies all classifications.
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If we are talking about growing, we should be speaking botanically. We aren't discussing recipes here.
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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Gregshed said:
The definition of fruit doesn't satisfy everyone, to a botanist yes but it's legal standing is vegetable. There are plenty of vegetables which are botanically fruits but whose nutrition definition is vegetable. Tomatoes by law are traded under vegetable not fruit in most countries.

Before people disagree consider that many berries are botanically not berries, some fruits are botanically vegetables and many nuts are not nuts, I could call a coconut a seed not a nut.

It's a pointless argument, if we call a fruit a vegetable it is a vegetable and if we call some nuts nuts they aren't seeds or drupes unless your looking for it's botanical classification which as discussed doesn't satisfy its use or nutritional value.
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its not about satisfaction we’re talking about a botanical nute company talking about a botanical product so it is a fruit not a vegetable :)
 
Gregshed

Gregshed

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PJ Diaz said:
If we are talking about growing, we should be speaking botanically. We aren't discussing recipes here.
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I understand but technically plants can be classified as more than one thing so if your a botanist you will pay credit to all classifications.
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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Gregshed said:
And Rhubard crumble is actually a vegetable pie.
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and when botanists study for a way to grow rhubarb better they don’t start with “oh whats good for fruits“ lol

Gregshed said:
I understand but technically plants can be classified as more than one thing so if your a botanist you will pay credit to all classifications.
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sorry but botanists wouldn’t care about what you do with a plant if so cucumbers could also be classified as dildos
 
Gregshed

Gregshed

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crimsonecho said:
and when botanists study for a way to grow rhubarb better they don’t start with “oh whats good for fruits“ lol
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Unless your a dick botanist they are all open minded and accept there is no one single system to classify everything.

They would still call cucumber chilli pea salad for lunch salad not fruit bowl.

Don't think you understand botany with a closed mind sorry, technically there is no such thing as a veg or fruit fertilizer that just one of many arbitrary classifications.
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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Gregshed said:
Unless your a dick botanist they are all open minded and accept there is no one single system to classify everything.

They would still call cucumber chilli pea salad for lunch salad not fruit bowl.

Don't think you understand botany with a closed mind sorry, technically there is no such thing as a veg or fruit fertilizer that just one of many arbitrary classifications.
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yes there isnt one system there is a botanical system its an actual system, taxonomy and there are other systems like what that food means to you which is not a part of botany :)

there is no such thing as veg and fruit fertilizers and i never said there was lol
there are the needs of fruit bearing plants and greens and they differ greatly lol lol
 
Bukvičák

Bukvičák

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speedwell68 said:
I have. As I said. my mate is a Chemist. He has discovered that the PK 48 I am using is actually NPK 4-8-16 when used at the recommended 2ml per litre. Add that to the NPK 2-1.5-4 I was already using. I have got rid of the PK48. These are almost finished and I am not going to be putting another grow on for a while. I have plenty of time to decide what to do. I might yet just go with dry amendments and be done with it. But I will probably just use what I have just at a much lower concentration.
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I am not chemist but 1G per litre sounds high when used as a part of fertilizer programe.
 
Gregshed

Gregshed

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crimsonecho said:
yes there isnt one system there is a botanical system its an actual system, taxonomy and there are other systems like what that food means to you which is not a part of botany :)

there is no such thing as veg and fruit fertilizers and i never said there was lol
there are the needs of fruit bearing plants and greens and they differ greatly lol lol
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PJ Diaz said:
Technically, the word is *you're.
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You just made it clear to everyone why you want it to only be a fruit and how anal you are to only accept one classification.

There's your problem in a nut shell!
 
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