Butters' 400w SCROG Perpetual w/ Coco Hempy Style - Various Strains

I enjoy the info there is in this thread keep it going, nice healthy growth too, keep on growing.

Okay, here are the pics. Nothing too exciting. The 1st pic is the flowering mother. Way off center cuz the lights were off when I took the pic and it is freakin DARK in there. Couldn't see a damn thing.

As you can see, that screen is looking pretty full. And it'll be gettin a lot fuller as the flowering period progresses. I look forward to seeing this screen about 7 weeks from now to fully determine how the scrog technique works out. There will be plenty of room for improvement I'm sure.

The other pics of are my 2 clones. The roots may be few and little, but I'm happy

Not sure what I'm gonna do with these 2 clones at this point. Alot of that will be determined after I smoke this bluevenom that's in flower now. If the strain suits my needs, I'll keep'em as moms for the perpetual grow. If not, I've got like a dozen other strains to try out and give a run.

I also don't have an "official" veg area yet. Basically a bunch of cardboard box sides lines with mylar and put in the corner of my basement. To keep these as moms, I'll need more space to let'm bush out. This will give me a good oportunity to try my hand at fim'ing though. Likewise, I'll need to try some LSTing with them if I plan on putting them under the screen.

Also gotta think of what medium I want to use them in. Could stick with the coco in buckets...or go back to dwc to run a comparison to see which works better (yield, quality, etc...). Decisions decisions.

That's all for now. I'll try to get pics up once each week to show the progression.

-Butters

Its The Omega Garden! hahahaha =D

WHAT UP Butters!! how are things, from the looks of your pics quite well i'd say. your leaves are nice and rich looking, i like that good job, and the clones look soooo cute in their little modified aero-garden, nice diy on the reflector room for the cloneshow long are you gonna let them go? i cut mine at 60 days with just a "lite" sprinkling of amber trichs. might let one out of this upcoming group stay for 9-9.5 weeks, anyway great job my friend.



PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

Thanks for all of the kind words all.

I have noticed a bit of nute burn occurring on some of the lower leaves. I originally noticed this about a week ago but credited it to the temps running too high. At closer examination, it appears to be nute burn (yellowing starts on outside of leaves and works it way in).

Looks like I was right a few posts ago about pushing the nutes a little too heavy. Fortunately, this is pretty minor looking. I'll scale the ppm down quite a bit again.

Flowering is where I feel mistakes matter the most in my growing experience. I have mauled grows in veg only, with limited effect on final yield. Flowering appears to be different. More of a direct correlation between "mistakes" made in flower and end result of yield and quality. Problem is.....

...I'm a bit of a lazy grower. I found myself complaining a bit this morning (to myself) while all I was doing was bending down to pull some colas into different areas of the screen.

Meanwhile, I see Kat tying down like 20 limbs of her plants per day and Zen making veg lights outta shoe boxes and shit.

This needs to change for the flowering period. Must be more dilligent in caring for the giant flowering mother that I now have. Once those clones get fully rooted, I'll put them into veg for a minimum of a month and can get lazy with them a bit.

I like the idea of using one of the clones in about one month and putting it into flower under the screen. It'll need to be LST'd so it can be put under the screen come flower time. With this type of stagger, I'll have the 2 plants in flower in about one month's time. With the original BV mom finishing her flower time one month after that. At which point I can finally try this strain and determine what to do with my 2nd clone (put into flower vs keep as mom).

In the meantime, given my laziness, I should stick with the coco. It's half the work of hydro and hasn't been any problem for me. Time to get more of those 3 gallon paint buckets.

-Butters

lookin great butters

Gotdammit!!!"Meanwhile, I see Kat tying down like 20 limbs of her plants per day and Zen making veg lights outta shoe boxes and shit. " dude you made me spit coffee on my doggone report.LMFAO. but anyway madazz talked about a second or third screen he uses as the plants grow or stretch. well my friend i think that you should get you another screen put together cause that baby is going to stretch. only way to half way combat it is by keeping the light as close as possible, but hell you already know that. but just a tip, mine went into flower and by he time she was done she had grew damn near grew 16-17 inches. so yea just keep that in mind. and as far as the laziness issues, man please, i think coco is just is just an "EASIER" solution for the same old problem, "Fuck, I'm outta weed". because honestly dude if i spend an hour or two in my grow room everyday or every other day, i would rather be blowing some herb and swearing to God that i can see these plants growing, as opposed to "EVERYTHING ELSE" that comes with other forms of hydro. and i say "EVERYTHING ELSE" because in my opinion, compared to coco, it's a whole lotta shit you gotta do with other hydro. but that's just my opinion. but hey get that screen readyy man you gonna need it.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

howak47 said:

lookin great butters

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what up howak!!!

ZEN MASTER said:

but anyway madazz talked about a second or third screen he uses as the plants grow or stretch. well my friend i think that you should get you another screen put together cause that baby is going to stretch. only way to half way combat it is by keeping the light as close as possible, but hell you already know that. but just a tip, mine went into flower and by he time she was done she had grew damn near grew 16-17 inches. so yea just keep that in mind.

PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

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I do believe that you are correct with the idea of the 2nd screen Zen. This lady is already stretching like an olympic gymnast and we're only on week 1. In about 4 weeks time, I would anticipate her limbs actually being able to lift that screen.

I like Madazz's idea of lollipopping his type of scrog. Force it all right up top and use the screen as support for the weight. Given the spread of this plant under that screen, my canopy will not be able to stay too even. The limbs closest to the outside of the screen are very large and long...practically touching the edge of the screen already. Meanwhile, the center branches are barely even touching the screen. I fear I may not have left myself enough space on the screen to handle the flowering stretch. Lesson learned.

For future reference Butters, only wait until 1/2 the surface area of the screen is filled up...then flower. No more of this 2/3 shit.

I'll try to get pics up tomorrow if possible. Definitely by Friday. I think my clones may be starting to have an issue but I'm not 100% sure what yet. A bit of yellowing on the very top leaves. Even a little browning at the very top of those tiny leaves. I'm wondering if it's heat related (only 84f at most though) or the fact that they are ready for some light nutes in the AG. The roots are still looking good though.

-Butters

Yikes!

This is the site that I woke up to this morning. Leaves are REALLY drooping here. I'm assuming it's from underwatering. I think it had been a couple of days since I watered/fed it last. I threw in about a little over a half gallon of water/nutes.

I remember Zen posted some crazy pics of how quickly they can recover from underwatering in coco. I have decided not to leave for work until I see some signs of recovery. Can't be losing my baby now.

While I had the camera out, I took a pic of the clone issue that I'm having. See that yellowing? What the hell is that?

-There are no nutes in that system and there hasn't been any.

-potential for pH fluctuations but it usually hasn't looked like that in past grows.

-Temp is consistently between 77f to 84f.

-Got a small fan in there to circulate air.

Any ideas anyone? Potential solutions?

-Butters

dude.. i was thinking about growin with the screen method for a future so ill keep checkin back to see the progress.. i dont know much about plant problems.. maybe shes layin down in heat ready to produce some massive colas lol.. in all seriousness do have have a ph pen or ppm meter... water meter?

Captain Chaos! will you Weave them into the screen or just let em grow? if you weave em you could veg em longer and they would fill out like crazy, just wondering.

Peace - The doc

greenearth5 said:

dude.. i was thinking about growin with the screen method for a future so ill keep checkin back to see the progress.. i dont know much about plant problems.. maybe shes layin down in heat ready to produce some massive colas lol.. in all seriousness do have have a ph pen or ppm meter... water meter?

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Yeah. I have a pH tested (not a good one though ) and a ppm meter (again, nothing special).

I'm so tempted to call it an effect of ph swings too. That's the biggest problem that I have in the AG system.

But then another thought dawned on me. That's not distilled water in there. It's tap that I filtered through a Britta and I let sit out over a coupla days so that the chlorine would evaporate.

If my water has Chloramine...that won't do shit. It'll still cause havok.

I plan on hitting up the Walmart and getting some distilled water today to transplant into the system.

Thanks for checking in GreenEarth

-Butters

Dr High said:

Captain Chaos! will you Weave them into the screen or just let em grow? if you weave em you could veg em longer and they would fill out like crazy, just wondering.

Peace - The doc

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Weave'm eh?

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Now that's a pretty clever idea. Have you seen any journals where people had done that?

Wonder what the effect would be? Totally different way to fill the screen...probably a fuller screen too (as it plays out in my imagination).

Oh great....now you've got my wheels turning again Doc! I'm really liking that idea.

She's almost a week into flower so it's probably not a good idea to try this now. But be weaving her from the get'go in veg, I imagine that I could have an (almost) entirely horizontal plant grow. I definitely have to search around to see if others have done this. Haven't come across it yet.

-Butters

And BTW everyone. My sagging plant yesterday...recovered in less than 20 minutes. This coco stuff is pretty cool.

pretty cool to see it with your own eyes aint it? sometimes when is feeding time if they are drooping a little, i'll feed them, fill up a bowl, and see if i can see them perking back up. but as far as the weaving thing goes i saw once(and i can't remember where)where this guy did the weaving thing. he was flowering and vegging in the same space i believe, but he had a 3'x3' screen set up with one plant. and during veg an the stretchy part of flowering every time a branch would grow another node he would just weave it over and under with the node sitting on top of the wire. and by the time it finished stretching he had the whole screen filled. mind you he would let it get a little height before he would weave it each time. sorry i cant remember where i saw it .



PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

dude.. ive dumped straight tap water into my resevoir before and it didnt hurt my plants.. my tap water ppm is 210 constantly and smells of chlorine and other chemicals that the freakin city pollutes it with.... but it hasnt hurt my plant...

99% of the time i use wal mart distilled water .. 1 gallon cost 65cent and it has 0 ppm literally... the distilled is so easy to work with and you can pour extra nutes in the water because the 0 ppm.. with ph.. i learned ph isnt a big problem at all... i only monitor mine once a week maybe 2'ice a week.. mainly whenever i do a res change and when i add more water I check the ph... and adjust it accordingly.. i did more harm keeping it at a solid 5.8 then letting it go from 5.3-6.5 on its own

Good luck man

(Butters) said:

Yeah. I have a pH tested (not a good one though ) and a ppm meter (again, nothing special).

I'm so tempted to call it an effect of ph swings too. That's the biggest problem that I have in the AG system.

But then another thought dawned on me. That's not distilled water in there. It's tap that I filtered through a Britta and I let sit out over a coupla days so that the chlorine would evaporate.

If my water has Chloramine...that won't do shit. It'll still cause havok.

I plan on hitting up the Walmart and getting some distilled water today to transplant into the system.

Thanks for checking in GreenEarth

-Butters

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Hey Butters, about the clones. How long have they been in there and do they have any roots yet? You can give them a little bit of nutes right from the start. They are not a seedling and don't have the stuff in them to get them going. I don't use any gel or powder on the cuttings and have mostly 100% success rate. I make a week mix with a few different things and it works well. The nutes I use are the Foxfarm tiger bloom at 1/2 tsp per gallon. along with Superthrive, hydroguard (can't get that anymore, use a beneficial bacteria) and hygrozyme (or any other enzyme product). Yours looks like a micro nutrient deficiency. They can start to yellow when cloning but seem to start at the bottom not the top. The plant starts to use what it has available in it since it has little or no roots to feed it.