But what about the roads? Common argument against Libertarian/Anarchy Debunked.

Dr Kynes

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Sorry Deprave but we have to stash this one in the bad idea pile ..along with cocaine factories, lsd hotels, crack houses, and meth labs all being legal in the USA. All bad ideas



edit: I forgot about heroin huts...bad idea
cocaine factrories were legal in the us, and the good ole USA was the world's #1 producer of cocaine, and #2 producer of morphine and opium worldwide. not on foreign soil either, right here in the USA! california's #1 cash crop in the 1850's to the 1890's was opium poppies. up until 1912 opium morphine and heroin were legal for cultivation and sale anyplace in the US till it got tax-hibited by congress.

crack houses are just low rent cocaine bungalows, why you hate poor people who like smoking crack? and bobby and whitney?

meth labs are soon gonna be just another industry shipped overseas, since kids today dont have enough basic education in the sciences. if we dont ramp up funding for science programs in schools now, where will bikers get their tweak?
 

Dr Kynes

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Perhaps, it's yet to be seen in any real implementation, usually only with a backdrop of war, which tends to muck things up pretty well. I believe "no ruler" only implies we should rule ourselves, not that we should have no rules at all. But maybe not.
total self rule would either be true democracy (wait, hold your laughter till the end!) or some fictional paradise of perfect peaceful fuzzy bunny mahatma ghandi clones weaving homespun cloth on the dirt floor of their gilligan's island style grass huts.
 

tomahawk2406

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cocaine factrories were legal in the us, and the good ole USA was the world's #1 producer of cocaine, and #2 producer of morphine and opium worldwide. not on foreign soil either, right here in the USA! california's #1 cash crop in the 1850's to the 1890's was opium poppies. up until 1912 opium morphine and heroin were legal for cultivation and sale anyplace in the US till it got tax-hibited by congress.

crack houses are just low rent cocaine bungalows, why you hate poor people who like smoking crack? and bobby and whitney?

meth labs are soon gonna be just another industry shipped overseas, since kids today dont have enough basic education in the sciences. if we dont ramp up funding for science programs in schools now, where will bikers get their tweak?

that would be a boss ass job. workin in a coke factory........
 

Dr Kynes

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that would be a boss ass job. workin in a coke factory........
actually no. its not. cocaine is extracted from the coca leaves with gasoline toluene and sodium hydroxide. the fumes are deadly, toxic and only in the best of times, unbearable horrible. look up "Defatting" for what cocaine factories do to the workers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defatting_(medical)

long term exposure to powerful solvents and caustics like these results in permanent disfiguring dermatitis, infections and eventually premature death.

working in a cocaine factory safely would be like working in a well run commercial chemical factory. boring, and tedious. until there is a "product" spill at the loading dock, then shit might get a little fun. i'd rather work in a marijuana factory.
 

tomahawk2406

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actually no. its not. cocaine is extracted from the coca leaves with gasoline toluene and sodium hydroxide. the fumes are deadly, toxic and only in the best of times, unbearable horrible. look up "Defatting" for what cocaine factories do to the workers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defatting_%28medical%29

long term exposure to powerful solvents and caustics like these results in permanent disfiguring dermatitis, infections and eventually premature death.

working in a cocaine factory safely would be like working in a well run commercial chemical factory. boring, and tedious. until there is a "product" spill at the loading dock, then shit might get a little fun. i'd rather work in a marijuana factory.
lol way to totally shit on dream job. didnt know they used toluene. i work with that shit all day. we run it through our paint guns to either clean them or thin the actual paint so it can run through our guns. what about a quality tester?
 

ginjawarrior

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WHY, YES YOU CAN KITTY!what about the roads kitty?
How can we have Roads in a voluntary (anarchist/ libertarian society)

Well the argument for a minarchist or moderate libertarian society is relatively simple. Moderate Libertarians, Minarchist, or Teabaggers (as some like to call them) are not anarchist, they believe in minimal government so often this would include a government that would both build and repair roads. As for the real anarchist and anarchist libertarians the idea of how we would have roads is mere speculation but there is many possible ways it could work. I will describe some examples in this post.


So without further ado lets speculate how roads might work in a voluntary society:

Laying road is not the most complicated or expensive thing in the world especially when not done by the government in market that is tainted by government which sets artificially changes value it can never know the value so contractors can charge them whatever they want, inefficiency at its finest. The thing that catches people up is how to build roads within already existent neighborhood but the reality is, that is simply not how it works. Roads are in fact built before the communities are filled with people. A builder would have a much tougher time trying the sell his house if there is no road proving access to and from the home. A store would have a much tougher time trying to get any customers if they did not build any roads going to and from the surrounding neighborhoods.

In the circumstance that a road builder is wanting to build a road on already acquired land, he can use options and nondisclosure contracts in order to avoid any holdout problem. That is to say he can purchase the option to buy a spot of land from a series of landowners while also agreeing to a nondisclosure contract so that the owner of the last spot of land the road builder needs is not aware that they are the last person, and thus will not be tempted to charge a ridiculous sum of money for their land.And if there is someone who has some kind of sentimental value to their property and refuses to sell it for any price, then the road builder can buy options contracts for another route, or he can simply tunnel them. underneath

Neighborhood roads would likely be funded by Homeowner’s Associations and car insurance companies wanting to minimize their payouts for vehicle repair such as tires. Roads going to and from businesses would likely be funded by the businesses themselves wanting more customers. These residential and business roads could also be funded through voluntary donations. Highways could likely be funded by charging a monthly bill based on usage or perhaps this voluntary society would rely much more heavily on public transportation rather than private. It’s impossible to know these things in advance but the truth is that roads aren't just going to disappears, we won't just decide to no longer have roads, the demand will still be there. While eminent domain laws do seem tempting for the purpose of building roads, they are not a necessity, and the increased efficiency of these voluntary organizations would more than make up for the higher cost of buying the land voluntarily rather than corrosively, as well as avoid all of the other inherent problems that come along with using coercion. Finally I would like to add that we already have the roads and we also have the private companies with the means to repair them.


So How do you think Roads would work without Government?
Digging tunnels would be astronomically expensive for the vast majority of roads.

With the rest of your "hand waving" the problems away it's clear you really haven't looked into this properly
 

ChesusRice

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working in a cocaine factory safely would be like working in a well run commercial chemical factory. boring, and tedious. until there is a "product" spill at the loading dock, then shit might get a little fun. i'd rather work in a marijuana factory.
My father had a job at a drug company. There was a spill of codeine on the floor. All production had to stop while the FBI came in to inventory and supervise the clean up. This was before the DEA.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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so you dont have the equipment or the expertise to make roads . . other people do . . .the government doesnt press a button and then puff sim city graphics start making roads with dollars signs blipping all over the screen

please fear what you dont understand

this shit is comedic gold . . . .you cant have roads without a government lol cause the people who own private business dont actually build em lmfao

let me know when the sky is falling i tell you how to build a roof
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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this shit is comedic gold . . . .you cant have roads without a government lol cause the people who own private business dont actually build em lmfao
Wow. And to think all those private contractors the govt hires to build roads , with all their road laying equipment,don't actually exist.

All those neighborhoods started don't actually start with the building of roads by Private businesses at all. The government does it!

Government is the bestest ever!!!!!!!!
 

deprave

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Lets get rid of Public roads altogether

I really want to pay 13 tolls on the way to work everyday
It would be worth it if you kept 30,000$+ extra a year and the roads were built for realistic costs....regardless 13 tolls, you must have a ridiculous commute..it would probably be like 3 or 4 tolls that cost a knickle or a dime for most people.
 

ChesusRice

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It would be worth it if you kept 30,000$+ extra a year and the roads were built for realistic costs....regardless 13 tolls, you must have a ridiculous commute..it would probably be like 3 or 4 tolls that cost a knickle or a dime for most people.
We tried the whole private road building excercise 160 years ago
it was a dismal failure
 
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