Budworms! Everything you need to know

pndit5040

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The aim of this thread is to teach people everything there is to know about the budworms that are attacking your plants. The common name of this insect is the Tobacco Budworm. It has a few other names that are synonymous but that one will lead you to the most relevant information in case you want to do further research.

Identification

The tobacco budworm varies greatly in appearance so it can easily be confused with other species. Making an accurate ID of your attacker can be important because some species have built up resistances to certain treatments. Luckily for us growers, if you find a caterpillar on your plants you can be 99% sure its a tobacco budworm. If you live in Africa, Europe, New Zealand, Australia or Asia its going to be the species Helicoverpa armigera. If you live anywhere else its going to be the species Heliothis virescens. The distinction between these two species is not important however since they can both be treated using the same methods.

Most people find the larval form (caterpillar) on their plants so I won't spend much time describing the adult moth. The caterpillars are initially pale green and often have black dots covering their body. Thin dark lines run down the length of the abdomen and tend to be darker around the second and third segments. As the larva ages (progresses in instars) the black dots may develop a red border around them. The abdomen is also covered with numerous microspines that give the caterpillar a rough feel. The head capsule is nearly always a light brown color. Again I wouldn't worry too much if this description doesn't completely match up with the caterpillar you find. There is great phenotypic variation in the tobacco budworm so there can be different colors and designs.

Lifecycle

The tobacco budworm goes through an egg, larvae, pupae and adult moth stage. This is important to know so that you can realize where all potential dangers lie. Eggs are spherical and white to yellowish in color. They are about 5mm in diameter so it can be difficult to spot them. An adult female moth can lay more than 500 eggs so this is a huge problem! This problem made even worse if growing indoors since the conditions are perfect for the speedy development of the eggs and larvae. Eggs can hatch anywhere from three to 14 days after being laid. Indoors, you can expect them to hatch closer to the three day range. If possible the moth will lay these eggs close to the reproductive tissue of the host plant (our precious buds).

When the caterpillar has developed through all six of its instars (phases of growth) it will burrow 1-7 inches into the soil and begin to pupate. Don't let this happen! It will probably take 15-30 days for a caterpillar to mature so you have plenty of time to keep a look out for these things. Keep in mind though that when the caterpillars are very young they are only a few centimeters long and will be similar in color to the plant. Regardless of how vigilant you may be, never reuse soil that was involved in an infestation. Keep bags of unused soil closed so budworms don't develop secretly and surprise you in the next grow.

The adult moth is a light brown color. The banding on the wings is different depending which species you're talking about but just to be safe kill any moths that make it into your grow room.

Management

As with many other problems, the best method of managing these pests is to prevent them from entering into your grow space in the first place. Do don't bring anything from outside into your indoor grow. This includes soil, pots, gloves, clothing thats been touched by wild vegetation and ANYTHING else. Any of these items could be carrying eggs.

If you have an outdoor grow or you failed to keep your indoor grow pest free and you come under attack from the budworm there is still hope! Bt insecticide can save the crop as long as you act quickly. This insecticide is actually a bunch of tiny bacteria! Bt stands for Bacillus thuringiensis, a bacterium that produces a protein deadly to the tobacco budworm. The protein interacts with a intestinal lining of the caterpillar, paralyzing its digestive system and preventing it from eating. This will take effect in a few hours after ingestion. Notice I said ingesting and not contact. This is your biggest problem as it will require frequent applications of the insecticide. If the budworms have burrowed deep into your dense buds they will continue happy munching on your plant without eating any of the bacteria. Combat this by physically checking each bud site for holes (I know its a bitch). Pick out the bastards in the evening hours when they are least active. Spray your Bt all over the plant until it is dripping and pray you get them all. Since the bacteria must be ingested ONLY the larvae are vulnerable and that is the reason you must keep applying the insecticide. Eggs must hatch before they can be killed. Adults and pupae should be killed manually if found.

On a side note, if you are growing outdoors and are conscientious of the environment around you (as you should be), you don't need to worry about harming any nontarget organisms with the use of Bt. It specifically attacks caterpillars like the budworm and nothing else.

Releasing natural predators into your grow room can also serve as a secondary method of eradication. Some wasps, the bigeye bug, damsel bugs, minute pirate bugs and spiders are known predators. I've heard that ladybugs and praying manta can also help.
 

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reeferMaster

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funny thing u metioned this because i found one these little fuckersgrowing in my bud, first sign that made me notice is the bud was dry at the top a big patch of brown. so i went 2 cheak it out and the bud fell apart becuase it ate the stems so i then kept the bud i could salvege. he havested a nice gram dried and cured lol, so the further i look in2 it thiers shit every where or maybe eggs on my buds! so i clipt the top off,at least i have a bowl 2 vape,,,, dam caterpilers
 

reeferMaster

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i belive that all the shit could eventually mold if i hadda let him go i would lost a hole top... well itd still be thier but dead and full a worm shit. look at your buds carefullyif u see any brown cheack it out imediatley. peace
 

CR500ROOST

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Once they dry out they leave,i know this because i found a shit load of them all over my house lol.Plus they need some type of water to survive.
 

CR500ROOST

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good to know! i wonder how those fucker survive in that shit anyway...if i was rolling around in some sticky icki i'd be high as hell :)
they are stoners thats why the love it so much.god damn stoned bugs mooching off our plants lol.
 

dante76

Active Member
i went back to check my bud on my drying rack and i saw about 5 more worms...no damage but they were practically immobile, maybe dying (i hope).

thanx again!
 

fisch28

Well-Known Member
Any methods on how to kill the moths and prevent them from getting on my plants besides just running around the garden all day?

I have been battling these budworms for weeks now, BT only seems to help so much since I have so many moths flying around all day, everyday.
 

dante76

Active Member
definitely...a mosquito net and bamboo stakes to hold the net off the plant. the net you can get from sport good stores like sports authority. i got mine there for $15. some other people have mentioned they found them at army surplus stores and homedepot/lowes may have nets like these too. you may also want to pick up a moth trap or bugzapper from home depot/lowes

 

Sapphire420

Member
Oh Noes! So that's what all the brown patches are/were!

Just harvested one plant yesterday and pulled out the brown parts, which fell off and apart easily. I saw what were probably eggs inside, and also brown little dots. I thought it might be mold, to be honest... Today, I saw a little inchworm (looks like) on the coffee table, near the tray of buds. We quick dried a few, but there are wet buds also in the tray drying. When I saw the caterpillar (looks like) I decided to check here on the forum.

I will post a picture tomorrow of one plant where the whole top is that brown mess. Surprised there aren't any photos in this thread, so maybe y'all can confirm it's the worm problem.

The branches of this plant we harvested yesterday (TAG) are hanging in a cool dark room... They look OK, but will I have worms dropping out of those buds too?
We have 3 more plants and two little one-footers (that flowered too soon??) left to harvest, and only one of them doesn't have the brown crap on it.

Oh, our little grow was in the yard, not indoors.

Well, like I said - pics tomorrow!
 

lxyzeroomer

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i have to deal with them every year ,they ruined 90% of my outdoor crop 2 years ago then i got a bottle of Bacillus thuringiensis safer brand still have them but there under control and my harvests havent suffered since...
 

dante76

Active Member
catepillars and worms are pretty much guaranteed if you are outdoors. I'm still finding some as they leave...when the bud dries they look for another home and come out.

just be careful to look carefully before you put them in a jar to cure...
 

coben

Active Member
I've got all cloudy trichromes should I pick or spray with bt? The inside of the colas could mature more.
 

dante76

Active Member
BT will stay active for 5 - 7 days so if you can hold out on harvesting for another week, sure go ahead and drench your plant with BT.
 

dante76

Active Member
if not then cut her down and look out for the worms that will come out as it dries. it would be a good idea to look in the nooks and craneys of the colas too when you harvest.
 

ExtractDab

New Member
They are the devil.

It’s sure disappointing when they get ahold to a grow you’ve really done well on.It’s like I can see the weight from them eating on the bottom and middle.I hate them too!!
I meant to say I can see it losing weight I feel like.If found 2 in the course of I believe like 8 weeks.In the back of my mind I knew they probably had laid eggs.I got Bt on the way I’m hoping it’ll save some of it
 
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