Bud moisture for perfect bud... :-)

Kingrow1 said:

Nope as it works for most environments that arent mega inhospitable but in that case your climate controlling so it works there as well.

Its not blanket advice its the way its been done loooong time but you werent here then yes... no... ? idk hmmmm jointsmile headbangwall jointsmile

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I invite you to 7700 feet elevation <20% RH year round and right now it's winter and adding heat drops the rh even more.

SSGrower said:

If you grow trunks, count in weeks.
If you grow twigs, count in days.

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Anything to try and discredit me for stepping in the toes of your lame info - this thread is a better more informative read than your whole contribution ever....

But now some mundane trunks bs that was covered in threads that involved those nice drying racks with screens for snipping big bits into small bits that wont gang well or simply wont hang.

Horses for courses your arguments are lame and that what i thought of modern dry cure advice and simply offered the science and advice that was here before legal stupidity and profit seekers that never had the herb armt the centre of their goals.

Were different growers, take a long hard look at your next ourchase... the "AUTOCURER" Lolol

SSGrower said:

I invite you to 7700 feet elevation <20% RH year round and right now it's winter and adding heat drops the rh even more.

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So what dude you need to read the thread again not say the same thing thats been answered many times - i am not circular thankyou....

Kingrow1 said:

Anything to try and discredit me for stepping in the toes of your lame info - this thread is a better more informative read than your whole contribution ever....

But now some mundane trunks bs that was covered in threads that involved those nice drying racks with screens for snipping big bits into small bits that wont gang well or simply wont hang.

Horses for courses your arguments are lame and that what i thought of modern dry cure advice and simply offered the science and advice that was here before legal stupidity and profit seekers that never had the herb armt the centre of their goals.

Were different growers, take a long hard look at your next ourchase... the "AUTOCURER" Lolol

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Where am I discrediting you? Those conditions you gave a perfect for a 2 week dry if you can hold them constant like that .

You argue science you don't understand.

I dry mine on red colored plastic coat hangers because the blue ones hold too much moisture.
I then go out once a day and spin them clockwise using a Goose feather.
On the 12th day I invoke a voodoo ceremony to drive out the remaining moisture.
Then put the buds in handmade ceramic jars to cure for 11 months.

SSGrower said:

if you can hold them constant like that .

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this is where you discredit not me but the whole ethos of drying - its what the industry and idiots did here, scared everyone into needing the autocurer because they might not be able to keep it constant as you 'quote'.

Simple scare tactics into getting peeps to believe you - buy your product or those youve hyped here like what led users did.

I find 55% RH in the jar is perfect smoke. That would put it at 10 to 13% moisture content. 1 week of dry usually then in a giant bucket and open it and close it for a week or so until they hold at 55% RH or so then i jar it up. But I am only doing 8 oz at a time for personal use.

I use a digital hygrometer on the bud store bucket just in case they were a bit too moist. If I see the RH get too high i open the bucket and leave it a while.

Now that we are legal i dont care that my house smells like stanky skunk weed while the bucket is open.

Where i have always fucked up was in jarring too soon because it felt dry outside of the bud. I find having a topped up stash prevents this problem.

gwheels said:

I find 55% RH in the jar is perfect smoke. That would put it at 10 to 13% moisture content. 1 week of dry usually then in a giant bucket and open it and close it for a week or so until they hold at 55% RH or so then i jar it up. But I am only doing 8 oz at a time for personal use.

I use a digital hygrometer on the bud store bucket just in case they were a bit too moist. If I see the RH get too high i open the bucket and leave it a while.

Now that we are legal i dont care that my house smells like stanky skunk weed while the bucket is open.

Where i have always fucked up was in jarring too soon because it felt dry outside of the bud. I find having a topped up stash prevents this problem.

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We can agree that if relative humidity/moisture of the jar rises it wasnt dry enough and that in a sealed container of bud this isnt really much air whatsoever and a small amount of moisture will raise it quickly.

If the moisture didnt rise it would jar at whatever your atmosphere level was and stay there (barring minor fluctuations discussed in the wiki articles here) which would signify it was dry.

Its not what peeps do it the science and action behind it thats badly needed so that others can accurately see whats happening and learn to dry bud themselves instead of following others and being restricted to the slight bit of knowledge the have but rarely expand.

So on this basis if rh rises and it wasnt environmental like a temp thing you would have to unscrew your bucket or jar or you risk mold - simply put you could let it dry then seal and skip the burping and i gurantee the bud will smoke all the same

Kingrow1 said:

this is where you discredit not me but the whole ethos of drying - its what the industry and idiots did here, scared everyone into needing the autocurer because they might not be able to keep it constant as you 'quote'.

Simple scare tactics into getting peeps to believe you - buy your product or those youve hyped here like what led users did.

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Why when ink bird makes the same shit for half the price?


You mad bro, and not in a scientist kinda way. I grow for personal only. I got no agenda to sell, you depend on others purchasing you product.

SSGrower said:

Why when ink bird makes the same shit for half the price?
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You mad bro, and not in a scientist kinda way. I grow for personal only. I got no agenda to sell, you depend on others purchasing you product.

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I am reasonably sciency but its a big ask to know all the basics and threads like this also teach me more knowledge and the hobby.

I appreciate were all different and am not forcing the science on peeps who dont want it but there is a vast click asking to prove stuff and science wins always.

(If i add an EDIT to the above last post i made in that the wiki entry stated that bud will always loose moisture over time so would assume the rh of the jars equalizes and dosent stay the same if you took long term measurements maybe - its not easy to visualize everything idk.)

But im not scared to approach it or be wrong plus come on - there is going to be a perfect answer here if peeps work this stuff through and collaborate the results then have another discussion and set some guidelines down so most are not writing threads about wet bus and how long to burp.

Constructive which is the opposite of a lot of what clings to this weed in the market and knowledge

SSGrower said:

Why when ink bird makes the same shit for half the price?
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You mad bro, and not in a scientist kinda way. I grow for personal only. I got no agenda to sell, you depend on others purchasing you product.

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This site was not for dealing and selling and you would be infringed for mentioning it here plus trolked....

That was when i joined, now legals here and thats what legal does sell and deal so its fine to be one here and now not frowned to deal or is it unethical.

I do however grow for myself first and foremost but my product is driven by the blackmarket and my cartel which dont accept shit weed.

I miss before legal, that had morals standards and rules - now its not and i was never keen on the legal route or the changes to site conduct rules and ethics here

Kingrow1 said:

I am reasonably sciency but its a big ask to know all the basics and threads like this also teach me more knowledge and the hobby.

I appreciate were all different and am not forcing the science on peeps who dont want it but there is a vast click asking to prove stuff and science wins always.

(If i add an EDIT to the above last post i made in that the wiki entry stated that bud will always loose moisture over time so would assume the rh of the jars equalizes and dosent stay the same if you took long term measurements maybe - its not easy to visualize everything idk.)

But im not scared to approach it or be wrong plus come on - there is going to be a perfect answer here if peeps work this stuff through and collaborate the results then have another discussion and set some guidelines down so most are not writing threads about wet bus and how long to burp.

Constructive which is the opposite of a lot of what clings to this weed in the market and knowledge

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I am glad we finally had a cordial interaction. I dot gaf what other think of you on this site or irl. I also don't believe individuals intentionally mislead people, corporations, organizations, and governments do that.
The black market demand for quality makes necessary a low moisture content so bud don't mold in transit to market.
It does not change the facts behind what actually happens to the plant. Curing will not happen at low moisture because the cell walls have ruptured. This is why letting it get too dry on the outside will stop the cure. It is the main thing I took issue with in your original post.

Oh and another thing shipping water is the dumbest thing we do.

SSGrower said:

I am glad we finally had a cordial interaction. I dot gaf what other think of you on this site or irl. I also don't believe individuals intentionally mislead people, corporations, organizations, and governments do that.
The black market demand for quality makes necessary a low moisture content so bud don't mold in transit to market.
It does not change the facts behind what actually happens to the plant. Curing will not happen at low moisture because the cell walls have ruptured. This is why letting it get too dry on the outside will stop the cure. It is the main thing I took issue with in your original post.

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I think your wrong about the cells, they are bust open from low moisture via turgor pressure but that is still above dried bud moisture so you cant prevent it except by glueing roots back on plus cells loose water via their reactions so a living cell just like us cut from its roots will quickly implode.

But to what id guess is the science part and that the stuff thats cured isnt the cell itself its the inner material containing the chemicals for its function as in with chlorophyll.

A lot of this seems reasonably easy to deduce and dont think anything too complex that peeps cant agree on

Kingrow1 said:

I think your wrong about the cells, they are bust open from low moisture via turgor pressure but that is still above dried bud moisture so you cant prevent it except by glueing roots back on plus cells loose water via their reactions so a living cell just like us cut from its roots will quickly implode.

But to what id guess is the science part and that the stuff thats cured isnt the cell itself its the inner material containing the chemicals for its function as in with chlorophyll.

A lot of this seems reasonably easy to deduce and dont think anything too complex that peeps cant agree on

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I agree the cells won't rupture if drying at say 50-60 % RH, but when rh is <20% some of those cells will rupture, at least the ones on the outside of the bud.
The inside of the bud will still cure fine, but the outside is done imo/e.

For those just reading and future googlers looking for an answer id still be pointing out that a lot of this cure info is irrelevant - aint nobody got to cure nothing.

Heres what happens with your drying time line -

1 week and its dry smokes but is a little green like harsh when smoked.

2 week and its smoking a hec of a lot smoother and no jarring yet.

So about this time your at your earliest point youd expect quality weed.

Now at this point on id jar - simply because its as dry as it will get and jarring will keep it out of those fluctuating daily weather changes of humidiry and temp. Of course leave it longer but why fuck with good advice except to test stuff out and see the zero harm that happens after another week.

Peeps like wetter bud then idk cause blackmarket requires excellent quality and as defined my country over thqt is bud that in a grinder grinds to a fine particulate but when squashed in the hand dosent crumble into a tiny oile of dust but merely holds its shape and compacts smaller.

You aint gonna get this straight away - shit bud dries terrible and crisps or stays a touch damp, the plant grew imperfect so more layers tougher cell walls idk why but it throws beginners of and they forever think it was humidity or not jarring quick enough and not the quality of the bud which needs to be reasonably high (stop kidding yourself).

So there you go, you dont need to cure, low moisture bud naturally dry has enough moisture over two weeks for easily turning wet bud into smokable dank you got high dude....!

I doubt the futher breakdown of chlorophyll is even that heavily dependant on moisture - last time i did biology enzymatic process happens at very low moisture levels - mold is beaten back but bacterias and such enzymes arent to that extent or we could store food for ever like a million years zero breakdown.

SSGrower said:

I agree the cells won't rupture if drying at say 50-60 % RH, but when rh is <20% some of those cells will rupture, at least the ones on the outside of the bud.
The inside of the bud will still cure fine, but the outside is done imo/e.

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Cells rupture cause theres no roots, its not humidity dependant is what im citing.

Actually a cell may only loose 20% water to shrink and have issues idk but its not like what your thinking im pretty sure.

Ignorant people buying a gram or an eight, still want to see some moisture in there.
I let a batch go a bit early, as I wanted to clean up a bit, people are raving about it.

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Ignorant people buying a gram or an eight, still want to see some moisture in there.
I let a batch go a bit early, as I wanted to clean up a bit, people are raving about it.

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If weed gums a grinder up here youll simply get the label of having shit weed.

Wetter weed that dont grind hmmm, so you pull it apart with your fingers and get like one joint and a shit smoke compared to the three quality ones from a grinder.

I didnt make this info up its just standard amongst the hardcore smokers growers and dealers literally everywhere.

Am i producing the wrong type of bud.... omg

Kingrow1 said:

Cells rupture cause theres no roots, its not humidity dependant is what im citing.

Actually a cell may only loose 20% water to shrink and have issues idk but its not like what your thinking im pretty sure.

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Yeah, I think language is gettin in the way.
I read you were Indian, that true?
Hopefully using words like gradient and distribution don't get in the way, so there would be some cells that equillabrete to 20% RH (6% or whatever by mass) when the osmotic pressure inside the plant can't keep up so to speak.