Blue Mountian Organics

Jerry Garcia · Nov 16, 2009

kjar said:
I'm looking for a cheap way so no RO machine just yet. so far I've been leaving my water sitting for 24 to 48 hours. however, I have heard that some water companies are adding a form of chlorine that does not evaporate. I want to use something to make sure that if that form of chlorine is in my tap water i'm not killing the good stuff in BMO. Would de-chlorinator work on the non-evaporating chlorine? I assume I can buy de-chlorinator at a hydro store right?

thanks for the help guys

The stuff you're referring to is Chloramine and you are correct that it does not readily evaporate from your water when you leave it out. I've got a brita faucet filter that I use to fill 1 gallon jugs of water, 8 jugs at a time. Brita says it removes a couple types of clorines and chloramine...but I let it sit in the jugs and evaporate off a little bit anyway.

Unfortunately the filters only last for 100 gallons, which I find myself going through more quickly than I anticipated. It's probably not a cheaper alternative than trying the pet store dechlorinator, but make sure it removes chloramine as well as chlorine.

If you're unsure what chemical is in your water just call your municipal water source and ask. Or you can poke around online and probably find the answer too.

kjar · Nov 16, 2009

I have a water filter, however i'm not sure if it filters chlorine/chloramine. My current procedure is to use the water filter and then let it sit for a couple of days. Obviously, if they are using chloramine then my procedure is useless. I just want to take every precaution necessary. I don't want to pay for good organics and then just kill off the bac due to my ignorance. I emailed my water supplier hopefully they have an answer. If they don't I'll get some aquarium de-chlorinator just to be safe. Some day in the future I'll get an RO machine but for now i'll have to do it this way.

thanks

dirtyshawa · Nov 16, 2009

kjar said:
I have a water filter, however i'm not sure if it filters chlorine/chloramine. My current procedure is to use the water filter and then let it sit for a couple of days. Obviously, if they are using chloramine then my procedure is useless. I just want to take every precaution necessary. I don't want to pay for good organics and then just kill off the bac due to my ignorance. I emailed my water supplier hopefully they have an answer. If they don't I'll get some aquarium de-chlorinator just to be safe. Some day in the future I'll get an RO machine but for now i'll have to do it this way.

thanks

i can't knock people for trying to save a buck, but, in all honesty bmo is some watered down creek water, really, really, cheap ass shit. personally, if i were trying to get bang for my buck i'd go with general hydroponics, plus it's tailored for hard water. i run 100% coco and learned the hard way. anyway, brand nutes are much thicker and last much longer. but, to each his own. good luck

Jerry Garcia · Nov 16, 2009

dirtyshawa said:
i can't knock people for trying to save a buck, but, in all honesty bmo is some watered down creek water, really, really, cheap ass shit. personally, if i were trying to get bang for my buck i'd go with general hydroponics, plus it's tailored for hard water. i run 100% coco and learned the hard way. anyway, brand nutes are much thicker and last much longer. but, to each his own. good luck

They're much "thicker"? What the hell does that mean? The only knock I can find about BMO is that the bottles are too small...2 tablespoons per gallon of water of SPT can go pretty quickly. So maybe other brands are more concentrated is what you meant to say...

And how can you just call it cheap ass shit (I mean, it is inexpensive, but not of poor quality). They list the ingredients on the bottle or online, and none of it is "cheap shit". It's not like they're using miracle grow and relabeling it. WTF?

dirtyshawa · Nov 16, 2009

Jerry Garcia said:
They're much "thicker"? What the hell does that mean? The only knock I can find about BMO is that the bottles are too small...2 tablespoons per gallon of water of SPT can go pretty quickly. So maybe other brands are more concentrated is what you meant to say...

And how can you just call it cheap ass shit (I mean, it is inexpensive, but not of poor quality). They list the ingredients on the bottle or online, and none of it is "cheap shit". It's not like they're using miracle grow and relabeling it. WTF?

i feel what your saying. thickness, consistency, concentration it's all the same, either way you understood my point and like i said to each his own. but, regardless of your sentiment toward bmo, general hydroponics is a superior product in the same price range. so, don't get your panties in a bunch, i'm not saying it doesn't work in soil or certain types of hydro applications, what i am saying is there are far superior products on the market in the same price range. but, good luck with that in your endeavors.

kjar · Nov 17, 2009

dirtyshawa said:
i feel what your saying. thickness, consistency, concentration it's all the same, either way you understood my point and like i said to each his own. but, regardless of your sentiment toward bmo, general hydroponics is a superior product in the same price range. so, don't get your panties in a bunch, i'm not saying it doesn't work in soil or certain types of hydro applications, what i am saying is there are far superior products on the market in the same price range. but, good luck with that in your endeavors.

I'm assuming you tried BMO with lack luster results? I'm giving them a shot for my next grow because I've heard good things. however i'm open minded and am trying different things to settle on a product line I like. Can you elaborate on your experiences with their products.

right now i only grow in soil. does GH have nutes for soil?

notoriousb · Nov 17, 2009

kjar said:
I'm assuming you tried BMO with lack luster results? I'm giving them a shot for my next grow because I've heard good things. however i'm open minded and am trying different things to settle on a product line I like. Can you elaborate on your experiences with their products.

right now i only grow in soil. does GH have nutes for soil?

GH has an organic line now called General Organics. I have yet to see any results from the new line

Jerry Garcia · Nov 18, 2009

dirtyshawa said:
i feel what your saying. thickness, consistency, concentration it's all the same, either way you understood my point and like i said to each his own. but, regardless of your sentiment toward bmo, general hydroponics is a superior product in the same price range. so, don't get your panties in a bunch, i'm not saying it doesn't work in soil or certain types of hydro applications, what i am saying is there are far superior products on the market in the same price range. but, good luck with that in your endeavors.

Based on ebay prices General Hydroponics is more expensive than the BMO.

And IT'S NOT ORGANIC.

The flora nova line says it is a marriage of hydro and organic (whatever that means) but it does not contain ANY organic ingredients, only inorganically derived minerals. The regular flora grow and bloom stuff is also not remotely organic and does not use any organic sources for its nutrients.

So when you say it's "thicker" you are correct, it is a highly concentrated chemical fertilizer.

I'm not saying it's bad stuff, I've never tried it so I can't comment there, but based on the ingredients listed on the labels it is NOT ORGANIC.

So before you go saying there are "far superior" products on the market, make sure you are comparing apples with apples and not apples with organics.

shannonball · Nov 18, 2009

We've tried that product line and it does work well, but as you mentioned its not 100% organic... and they are a lot more expensive...at least where we live they are. Still have about 3/4's of our bottles left, but wanted to try BMO.

We are using BMO products now and think they are the bomb...have seen amazing results on our houseplants and such a difference in the foliage and color. Thick or thin doesn't make it better or worse...its the contents that matter. Really people should try difference nutri's and use what they achieve the best results with.

Just my opinion.
shann

Jerry Garcia said:
Based on ebay prices General Hydroponics is more expensive than the BMO.

And IT'S NOT ORGANIC.

The flora nova line says it is a marriage of hydro and organic (whatever that means) but it does not contain ANY organic ingredients, only inorganically derived minerals. The regular flora grow and bloom stuff is also not remotely organic and does not use any organic sources for its nutrients.

So when you say it's "thicker" you are correct, it is a highly concentrated chemical fertilizer.

I'm not saying it's bad stuff, I've never tried it so I can't comment there, but based on the ingredients listed on the labels it is NOT ORGANIC.

So before you go saying there are "far superior" products on the market, make sure you are comparing apples with apples and not apples with organics.

hunt4pot1 · Nov 18, 2009

Really people should try difference nutri's and use what they achieve the best results with.

Just my opinion.
shann[/QUOTE]

That is good advice. :bigjoint:

HailTheLeaf · Nov 18, 2009

Now I want to try BMO straight...I've been using it to supplement BioCanna, I might have to try an experiment with my next grow. I'm doing a soil experiment now so I can't mess with my nutes.

dirtyshawa · Nov 18, 2009

kjar said:
I'm assuming you tried BMO with lack luster results? I'm giving them a shot for my next grow because I've heard good things. however i'm open minded and am trying different things to settle on a product line I like. Can you elaborate on your experiences with their products.

right now i only grow in soil. does GH have nutes for soil?

tried it in coco, it sucked dick, majorly. my experience was with coco, i only grow in coco. as, i stated to each it's own when purchasing this product. as i also, previously stated the product might be good for soil or other types of hydro applications just not coco, but, they say it works in coco. i could elaborate more but, i believe i referenced my experience in detail in another thread or a while back.

Jerry Garcia said:
Based on ebay prices General Hydroponics is more expensive than the BMO.

And IT'S NOT ORGANIC.

The flora nova line says it is a marriage of hydro and organic (whatever that means) but it does not contain ANY organic ingredients, only inorganically derived minerals. The regular flora grow and bloom stuff is also not remotely organic and does not use any organic sources for its nutrients.

So when you say it's "thicker" you are correct, it is a highly concentrated chemical fertilizer.

I'm not saying it's bad stuff, I've never tried it so I can't comment there, but based on the ingredients listed on the labels it is NOT ORGANIC.

So before you go saying there are "far superior" products on the market, make sure you are comparing apples with apples and not apples with organics.

to shay, your right it's not organic. got caught up in the hard water issue that the guy was referencing, so i'll give you that point. but, let's not kid ourselves your getting what you pay for, not saying it doesn't work in other applications. if money is an issue by all means go with what you can afford but, even if i didn't use coco i wouldn't buy bmo if i where growing 100% organic. will you agree on this, bmo could be compared to a dollar store brand item? it may get the job done but, you can definitely tell the difference from the name brand. but, yeah good luck with that

kjar · Nov 18, 2009

shawa: i'll take your word that bmo is not so great for coco. maybe i'll try for my self some time in the future.

that being said almost everyone else seems to be having good results (i assume in soil) so i don't regret my purchase. I only grow in soil and I try to keep it organic if possible. I feel like organics really do their best in soil and grow methods may not benefit from all of what organic fertilizers do. This is just a vague hypothesis and if anyone has any proof for or against I would love to hear it, but for now i'm doing the old trial and error to find out myself. Even if it turns out bad it was only 30$ for their whole line. I look forward to testing it out for my self with my next grow and I appreciate the input from both sides.

Even though i haven't used there products yet I really like the fact that they disclose exactly what ingredients are used and the of method mixing. I haven't come across another line that does this yet.

Jerry Garcia · Nov 19, 2009

dirtyshawa said:
to shay, your right it's not organic. got caught up in the hard water issue that the guy was referencing, so i'll give you that point. but, let's not kid ourselves your getting what you pay for, not saying it doesn't work in other applications. if money is an issue by all means go with what you can afford but, even if i didn't use coco i wouldn't buy bmo if i where growing 100% organic. will you agree on this, bmo could be compared to a dollar store brand item? it may get the job done but, you can definitely tell the difference from the name brand. but, yeah good luck with that

Getting what you paid for is a relative concept...I don't liken it at all to a dollar store brand, because BMO uses quality ingredients.

There is much more behind the cost of an item than purely ingredients...marketing, research and development, creative/elaborate packaging, corrupt people taking advantage of us, etc. I feel that BMO doesn't need to charge as much as other brands because they don't have fancy labels, they don't advertise and they don't distribute their product commercially to garden stores and grow shops outside of Timbo Arkansas.

Does this make it a less effective product...NO, because the ingredients what is important. I don't care that they come in $0.10 cheap plastic bottles, or that they print their labels from a home PC because I know what's in it.

If you wanted to it would be pretty easy to make a similar batch of nutrient tea on your own. But BMO claims to have a special brewer and they add things like endo/ecto bacteria that are expensive in their own right. Because they can brew up large batches of "tea" it means they can sell it for less than what it would cost you to make it on your own.

So no, I cannot liken it to a dollar store nutrient because you are attaching negative connotations to things coming from the dollar store. There is no "difference" to be seen in quality, except your plants might actually grow better after you use some Super Plant Tonic, for which there is NO comparable product available on the market . What national brand are you supporting as the more expensive (and by your definition better) alternative? Botanicare is the only company I can think of think of and I'm not sure they are completely organic.

You can call it cheap creek water because it didn't work FOR YOU in coco. I don't know if others have tried in coco or what degree of success they've had with it, but for ORGANIC SOIL applications I have yet to find a superior product and certainly not for a better price. Period.

somebody041 · Nov 20, 2009

i just finished up curing my most recent harvest which compared BMO's whole line + worm casting/molasses/seaweed + humic/fulvic acid vs humbolt's own Master A+B + additives (Cal, Mag, an enzyme product) + atami's bloombastic

the result: same basic yield, crystals, nug size... but the BMO tastes 100x better.

dirtyshawa · Nov 20, 2009

Jerry Garcia said:
Getting what you paid for is a relative concept...I don't liken it at all to a dollar store brand, because BMO uses quality ingredients.

There is much more behind the cost of an item than purely ingredients...marketing, research and development, creative/elaborate packaging, corrupt people taking advantage of us, etc. I feel that BMO doesn't need to charge as much as other brands because they don't have fancy labels, they don't advertise and they don't distribute their product commercially to garden stores and grow shops outside of Timbo Arkansas.

Does this make it a less effective product...NO, because the ingredients what is important. I don't care that they come in $0.10 cheap plastic bottles, or that they print their labels from a home PC because I know what's in it.

If you wanted to it would be pretty easy to make a similar batch of nutrient tea on your own. But BMO claims to have a special brewer and they add things like endo/ecto bacteria that are expensive in their own right. Because they can brew up large batches of "tea" it means they can sell it for less than what it would cost you to make it on your own.

So no, I cannot liken it to a dollar store nutrient because you are attaching negative connotations to things coming from the dollar store. There is no "difference" to be seen in quality, except your plants might actually grow better after you use some Super Plant Tonic, for which there is NO comparable product available on the market . What national brand are you supporting as the more expensive (and by your definition better) alternative? Botanicare is the only company I can think of think of and I'm not sure they are completely organic.

You can call it cheap creek water because it didn't work FOR YOU in coco. I don't know if others have tried in coco or what degree of success they've had with it, but for ORGANIC SOIL applications I have yet to find a superior product and certainly not for a better price. Period.

well, i'm not gonna waist anymore time on this topic so, this will be my last rebutal. what defines organic? alot of things. is bmo 100% organic? who knows. is bmo OMRI certified? no. what alternative brand am i supporting? i've used botanicare(pbp, cns17) and canna, my medium is coco, which is quite different than soil. regardless, it wouldn't work in coco because, it's not formulated for coco, if you've used coco you'd really understand what i'm saying after using bmo, it lacks in too many areas. i call it cheap creek water because, if you go down to a creek and fill one of their bottles, there would be no difference in the contents(based on appearance). my cns17 1 gal grow and 1 gal bloom each cost $25. no cal mag or anything else needed, so, as far as value there's no comparison. by the way cns17 is for coco and soil. it's obvious when using this product that the ingredients are highly diluted. have you actually seen guano based nutrients, there's no comparison. like i said to each it's own and good luck with that.

Jerry Garcia · Nov 20, 2009

dirtyshawa said:
well, i'm not gonna waist anymore time on this topic so, this will be my last rebutal. what defines organic? alot of things. is bmo 100% organic? who knows. is bmo OMRI certified? no. what alternative brand am i supporting? i've used botanicare(pbp, cns17) and canna, my medium is coco, which is quite different than soil. regardless, it wouldn't work in coco because, it's not formulated for coco, if you've used coco you'd really understand what i'm saying after using bmo, it lacks in too many areas. i call it cheap creek water because, if you go down to a creek and fill one of their bottles, there would be no difference in the contents(based on appearance). my cns17 1 gal grow and 1 gal bloom each cost $25. no cal mag or anything else needed, so, as far as value there's no comparison. by the way cns17 is for coco and soil. it's obvious when using this product that the ingredients are highly diluted. have you actually seen guano based nutrients, there's no comparison. like i said to each it's own and good luck with that.

Well, please don't WAIST anymore time on this...wouldn't want your hips to hurt...

I have seen guano based nutrients, I have added guano directly to nutrient solutions, and I have also seen GUANO TEA manufactured by letting a bag of guano sit in a bucket of water, much like you put a tea bag in a cup of water. Do you know what happens to the water? IT TURNS INTO DIRTY CREEK COLORED WATER BECAUSE GUANO AND WORM CASTINGS ARE POOP, AND POOP IS BROWN (for the most part). Making teas of compost and guano and castings is probably the most popular method of organically fertilizing a garden. BMO has done it all for us, and thankfully don't charge all that much for their product.

Really, you need to get over the "appearance" of things. Can you tell me what N-P-K looks like in pure form?

And as for coco, I have no experience with that so I can't comment on that statement. But if you've grown using organic soil and BMO you'd know it was the shit.

And as for csn17, I've never heard of it, but this is what I just found on http://www.4hydroponics.com/nutrients/CNS17.asp
"CNS17 Bloom and CNS17 Grow are well suited for any vegetable, flowering or fruiting garden. They give excellent results when growing hydroponically, in any growing media except for coco coir (there is a special formula for coco)."

And the price is not $25 for both, it's 21.95/bottle before shipping. Maybe you can find it for cheaper, in which case it wouldn't be that much more expensive than BMO, but just because you say it's far superior for coco doesn't mean anything for growing organically in soil. Is that stuff even organic?

I'm sorry this discussion has to come to an end dirtyshawa, I was really enjoying it, and hopefully it educated other people to get out there and try some nutrients. The most important thing is that you find something that works for you and go with it. If I tried BMO and it didn't work I would have gone with something else, much like you did. So :peace:

-out, rip the bong bongsmilie

, and as Ohsogreen would say Keep it Real...Organic :mrgreen:

Jerry Garcia · Nov 20, 2009

somebody041 said:
i just finished up curing my most recent harvest which compared BMO's whole line + worm casting/molasses/seaweed + humic/fulvic acid vs humbolt's own Master A+B + additives (Cal, Mag, an enzyme product) + atami's bloombastic

the result: same basic yield, crystals, nug size... but the BMO tastes 100x better.

Awesome. Thanks for sharing your experience. My BMO grown buds taste and smell fantastic...which in the end is the reason I like them so much. Though yield is important, taste/smell/potency are the big three for me. :mrgreen:

dirtyshawa · Nov 20, 2009

Jerry Garcia said:
Well, please don't WAIST anymore time on this...wouldn't want your hips to hurt...

I have seen guano based nutrients, I have added guano directly to nutrient solutions, and I have also seen GUANO TEA manufactured by letting a bag of guano sit in a bucket of water, much like you put a tea bag in a cup of water. Do you know what happens to the water? IT TURNS INTO DIRTY CREEK COLORED WATER BECAUSE GUANO AND WORM CASTINGS ARE POOP, AND POOP IS BROWN (for the most part). Making teas of compost and guano and castings is probably the most popular method of organically fertilizing a garden. BMO has done it all for us, and thankfully don't charge all that much for their product.

Really, you need to get over the "appearance" of things. Can you tell me what N-P-K looks like in pure form?

And as for coco, I have no experience with that so I can't comment on that statement. But if you've grown using organic soil and BMO you'd know it was the shit.

And as for csn17, I've never heard of it, but this is what I just found on http://www.4hydroponics.com/nutrients/CNS17.asp
"CNS17 Bloom and CNS17 Grow are well suited for any vegetable, flowering or fruiting garden. They give excellent results when growing hydroponically, in any growing media except for coco coir (there is a special formula for coco)."

And the price is not $25 for both, it's 21.95/bottle before shipping. Maybe you can find it for cheaper, in which case it wouldn't be that much more expensive than BMO, but just because you say it's far superior for coco doesn't mean anything for growing organically in soil. Is that stuff even organic?

I'm sorry this discussion has to come to an end dirtyshawa, I was really enjoying it, and hopefully it educated other people to get out there and try some nutrients. The most important thing is that you find something that works for you and go with it. If I tried BMO and it didn't work I would have gone with something else, much like you did. So -out, rip the bong , and as Ohsogreen would say Keep it Real...Organic

i enjoyed it too, great debate, but, time for me to move on :peace:

Myracle · Nov 21, 2009

I have a outdoor growin on some rose bush organic nutes specs are 6-8-4 is this good supplement for flowering is it overkill to combine that with another nute

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