Big Buddha Cheese Part Deux

ive found some pics of them, pretty shitty pics sorry, sometime between 2003-2005 i think

here's what the offspring of those UK Cheese looked like

sorry to clog up your thread, just brings back good memories of that strain, the cheese could grow very well outdoors as well

Nine AM this morning the lights shut down for 12 hrs. starting the 60 plus/minus days of flower. Did some under trimming and adjusted my nute regime, increased A&B to 350 ppm, started adding Boost at .75 recommended rate, will raise to full level over the next week.
Under canopy. The ladies are 9 to 10 inches tall.


The canopy.


More trimming will be needed, will have to play it by ear till day 21.
Now three exciting weeks then just wait for them to finish.
Do you think I will need netting for support or maybe just do some staking?

GR

Wanted to take a look at the color of these plants. Very pleased with them!
Before lights out.

And after lights out.

Color is so even across the canopy.
Less is More!
Starting flower I have raised A&B from 200 – 225 to 350 – 375 ppm. Reduced Cal/Magic from 1+ ml to 0.75 ml and Epsom from 1 gram to 0.5 g/gal. Also reduced, at the stage of the flowering cycle, Rhizotonic from 7.5 ml to < 2 ml/gal. Will not change the rate for Cannazym, 9.75 ml/gal.
Added Boost to the mix at 11 ml/gal, which is about the midpoint of Canna’s recommendation, may increase it after stretch.
I have revised my nutrient regime, mainly just touched it up some. Not just for flowering but overall. I have not been happy with the looks of the plants at mid flower, too much leaf burn and think I was getting some lockout midpoint also. I have adjusted my run times to get more DTW with each drip cycle.

greencropper said:

here's what the offspring of those UK Cheese looked like
sorry to clog up your thread, just brings back good memories of that strain, the cheese could grow very well outdoors as well

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No problem there GC, nice looking plants. Good that get a different perspective and wish I could do an outside grow. Really want to do a super soil organic grow.

Update 2/9/19

2/2 Start of 12/12
9 to 10 inches tall


2/9 One week later
16 to 18 inches


All seems to be going OK, lot's of big fans, lot's of grow period. Refilled the rez two times this week, and getting good runoff with each drip cycle.
Increased A&B to 350 ppm, cut out Rapid Start. Hand watering (2X runoff), sort of a mini flush, twice a week just prior to rez refill with remaining nutes and Great White.
I think I got the timing right on this grow, flipped at the right time so they are not going to overpower the tent. They have stretched 7 to 9 inches this first week of 12/12 so I am kinda expecting around another 8 to 10 inches over the next two weeks. Then some trimming and planned staking.
Since this is my first Rodeo (SOG) I hope I have the undercarriage pruned enough. At day 21, will be removing everything that is not exposed at the canopy.
Later and Peace Out,

GR

gr865 said:

Wanted to take a look at the color of these plants. Very pleased with them!
Before lights out.
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And after lights out.
View attachment 4275797
Color is so even across the canopy.
Less is More!
Starting flower I have raised A&B from 200 – 225 to 350 – 375 ppm. Reduced Cal/Magic from 1+ ml to 0.75 ml and Epsom from 1 gram to 0.5 g/gal. Also reduced, at the stage of the flowering cycle, Rhizotonic from 7.5 ml to < 2 ml/gal. Will not change the rate for Cannazym, 9.75 ml/gal.
Added Boost to the mix at 11 ml/gal, which is about the midpoint of Canna’s recommendation, may increase it after stretch.
I have revised my nutrient regime, mainly just touched it up some. Not just for flowering but overall. I have not been happy with the looks of the plants at mid flower, too much leaf burn and think I was getting some lockout midpoint also. I have adjusted my run times to get more DTW with each drip cycle.

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GR8
If I remember correctly you water several times a day. I only water twice a day. Do I need to feed MORE each time as I am only feeding twice a day?

Smokey

Smokey57 said:

GR8
If I remember correctly you water several times a day. I only water twice a day. Do I need to feed MORE each time as I am only feeding twice a day?

Smokey

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I run three cycles during lights on. Just to runoff and low ppm's.
Used the same rates no matter where the plant is growth wise. In veg it's 200 to 250 ppm and in flower it's 300 to 350 ppm. When adding to the rez I add water to what ever is left in the rez then add the nutes to bring it to my desired level.
Here is my last worksheet, I had approx. 3 gallons on solution in the rez at 645 ppm. Added 15 gallon of RO and that gave me a reading of 210 ppm, then began adding each nutrient and supplements to get back to my desired numbers. I add the Epsom separate from the Cali/Magic as Epsom can pull Ca from solution. Then I take a reading and add A&B at 299 ppm, I allow this number to float between 300 and 350. Then the supplements are added. This way my numbers stay within the range I am shooting for.
If the plant is using/drinking enough to need an additional water I will add an extra cycle or add more time to each cycle

I hope this makes sense Smoky,

gr865 said:

I run three cycles during lights on. Just to runoff and low ppm's.
Used the same rates no matter where the plant is growth wise. In veg it's 200 to 250 ppm and in flower it's 300 to 350 ppm. When adding to the rez I add water to what ever is left in the rez then add the nutes to bring it to my desired level.
Here is my last worksheet, I had approx. 3 gallons on solution in the rez at 645 ppm. Added 15 gallon of RO and that gave me a reading of 210 ppm, then began adding each nutrient and supplements to get back to my desired numbers. I add the Epsom separate from the Cali/Magic as Epsom can pull Ca from solution. Then I take a reading and add A&B at 299 ppm, I allow this number to float between 300 and 350. Then the supplements are added. This way my numbers stay within the range I am shooting for. View attachment 4281025
If the plant is using/drinking enough to need an additional water I will add an extra cycle or add more time to each cycle

I hope this makes sense Smoky,

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gr865 said:

I run three cycles during lights on. Just to runoff and low ppm's.
Used the same rates no matter where the plant is growth wise. In veg it's 200 to 250 ppm and in flower it's 300 to 350 ppm. When adding to the rez I add water to what ever is left in the rez then add the nutes to bring it to my desired level.
Here is my last worksheet, I had approx. 3 gallons on solution in the rez at 645 ppm. Added 15 gallon of RO and that gave me a reading of 210 ppm, then began adding each nutrient and supplements to get back to my desired numbers. I add the Epsom separate from the Cali/Magic as Epsom can pull Ca from solution. Then I take a reading and add A&B at 299 ppm, I allow this number to float between 300 and 350. Then the supplements are added. This way my numbers stay within the range I am shooting for. View attachment 4281025
If the plant is using/drinking enough to need an additional water I will add an extra cycle or add more time to each cycle

I hope this makes sense Smoky,

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GR
Makes a lot of sense, thanks for the help

S

Got roots.
Made up an 18 gallon rez mix 2/9 and yesterday had about two plus gallons left in the rez so I added Great White and Subculture II to the rez and dumped it all in the last cycle of the day @ 7:45 AM. Then cleaned the rez and added a fresh 18 gallons, the nutes and the supplements. Let that sit for 12 hrs to stabilize, pH'ed it at 4 PM and let that rest and stabilize till the first cycle of the night @ 9:15 PM.
This pic was taken this morning, all of the pots are looking like these two.


Have been running 3 cycles during lights on, 1st - 9:15 PM, 1:15 minutes, 2nd - 2 AM, 1 minute, 3rd - 7:45 AM, 1:30 minutes. Getting at least 30% runoff over all three cycles, last cycle is the largest amount of runoff to flush as much unused salts from the root system.
Going to add a cycle to the mix, 9:15 PM, 12:45 AM, 4:15 AM and 8 AM. This will increase the time 45 seconds to the total cycles. Main thing I want to be sure to get is the runoff needed to prevent salts buildup in the root zone.

gr865 said:

Got roots.
Made up an 18 gallon rez mix 2/9 and yesterday had about two plus gallons left in the rez so I added Great White and Subculture II to the rez and dumped it all in the last cycle of the day @ 7:45 AM. Then cleaned the rez and added a fresh 18 gallons, the nutes and the supplements. Let that sit for 12 hrs to stabilize, pH'ed it at 4 PM and let that rest and stabilize till the first cycle of the night @ 9:15 PM.
This pic was taken this morning, all of the pots are looking like these two.
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Have been running 3 cycles during lights on, 1st - 9:15 PM, 1:15 minutes, 2nd - 2 AM, 1 minute, 3rd - 7:45 AM, 1:30 minutes. Getting at least 30% runoff over all three cycles, last cycle is the largest amount of runoff to flush as much unused salts from the root system.
Going to add a cycle to the mix, 9:15 PM, 12:45 AM, 4:15 AM and 8 AM. This will increase the time 45 seconds to the total cycles. Main thing I want to be sure to get is the runoff needed to prevent salts buildup in the root zone.

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GR
Any idea how much each plant is getting per cycle? Please confirm the TOTAL runoff for all three waterings is 30% not 30% each cycle.
What are you using for a timer that adjusts top the second?

smokey

Update:
Day 14 of 12/12


The ladies are healthy, happy and crowded,
Drinking about 18 gallons in 5 days with at least 30% runoff.
EC 1.1 and pH drifts from 5.8 to 5.9 daily.
Have not removed much foliage, only a couple of massive fans blocking other plants.
Root system is doing fantastic, just love me some Great White and Subculture II.
Happy, we are at this point getting pom pom's sooner than their parents did, started at day 11 compared to day 17 with their parents.

GR

Smokey57 said:

GR
Any idea how much each plant is getting per cycle? Please confirm the TOTAL runoff for all three waterings is 30% not 30% each cycle.
What are you using for a timer that adjusts top the second?

smokey

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Have not measured per plant. But each cycle gets runoff, each cycle is different due to cycle times.
Yes it is 30% for the three cycles. They are getting 3 plus gallons a day for all plants and each cycle has some runoff.
TMO 1715 D, Autopilot Dual Outlet 7-Day Grounded Digital Programmable Timer by HydroFarm

Very sad today!
The lady that I made FECO for a couple of weeks ago, she was still getting up to speed on it, 0.5 grams a day, and after months of trying to get into MD Anderson's program, pass away!
Waited too long to start the FECO program and took too long to get into the MD A's program.
Makes me angry and sad that she was not able to get access to FECO legally and sooner.
Be at peace Ms. Henry, your pain is over.

Day 16 12/12



Will be pulling them from the tent next Friday or Sat. to prune and rearrange.

Same pot 4 days after a weekly addition of Great White and Subculture II.


Gotta love Great White and SC II.
Tomorrow morning, prior to final cycle, I should have around two to three gallons left in the rez. Will be adding Great White, Subculture II and a little Mammoth to the rez and run a little mini flush. For the first time in awhile I checked the runoff, about what I expected, my EC is stable at 1.2 and the pH is within limits at 6.15. pH of the solution going into the pots fluctuates, at the start of the days cycles is 5.8 and by the last cycle it is 5.9+/-. I rarely check runoff.
Then on Friday morning early, begin pulling each plant from the tent and doing a 21 day pruning/defo. Not sure how much I will remove but I know I really need to go fairly heavy as they have run out of grow room. It is dark under the canopy. When I put them back in the tent I plan on rotating the plants from the back to the front. Have basically 5 rows of plants so the front plant will go to the middle, middle to the back and back to the front. May even flip side to side also.
Here are a few pics showing how thick they are.
Left, center and right sides of the tent.


The whole mess!


They are doing well, just too much mass. I have never run this type of grow before so I am unsure of how to prune. I know how to do a vertical grow but this is new to me. Will probably remove everything but the mains and maybe three to four upper side branches. Take fans from branches that have already produced enough leaf to supply the bud sites with the energy they need.
Have been searching YouTube for ideas on how to prune a SOG or semi SOG. Hopefully I won't fuck them up too bad.

Tomorrow is day 21 and pruning day. Not sure how much to take off so this morning I pruned a plant and would like some thoughts.
I pruned this plant like I do my vertical grows.

Too Much, Not Enough or Just Right?
Before After

Before After
What the lamps see, did I leave enough leaf surface?
Before After

This mess is definitely ready for a trim!


Comments welcome!

GR

Update: Day 21 12/12

Trimming day, started at 5 AM, finished at 9:10 AM. Was really not sure how much to take off,
@ Sedan, thanks Bud, your thoughts help me a lot. So good or bad the deed is done, took about as much as I normally take on my vertical grows.
Just a few before and after shots. Same plant in all 6 pics.




Thinking this would be called lolly popping?


I also rearranged the plants, moved the taller ones up front and to the perimeter, put the shorter one to the back and center. Thinking I get better light at the back and center compared to up front with no reflective material close to the plants.


Well we shall see how it goes.

Made a new rez mix today, added P/K 13/14 at 2.4 ml/gal, compared to the 6 ml they recommend in the Canna Grow Guide. They only recommend it for 1 week at week 4 of 12/12. I will be adding it to this rez and the next (which should last 4 days each)/ That will cover the week but then to the third rez refill @ 1.0 ml/gal, to give me the total 6 ml they recommend.
This is my first time to use P/K 13/14, have been using Liquid KoolBloom and have been getting burn, my bad I believe because I was using 3/4 rate for the last 4 to 5 weeks.
I was at 1.25 to 1.35 in my prior rez fills but now it's 1.5 EC, don't expect any burn. I am getting more runoff now, which is good, at least 30% over the lights on cycle.
Today's pic's,


GR

Got the support screen completed.

Need to do a bit of moving mains tonight.

GR