Best LED comparable to 1000W HPS

MyMommaMakesArmyBoots

MyMommaMakesArmyBoots

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Aeroknow said:

Best LED comparable to 1000W HPS

It seems more like desperate grasps at straws to justify using an obsolete system. What I see is your personal opinion not that HP's is actually obselete. The lies were that a 50% 500w unit even 600 was destroying 1000w HP's, not that something like gavitas new 780w wouldn't come close or...
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So nothing about me claiming my kit beats a DE HPS like I asked, like you claim I said.

So how about showing me that quote instead of wasting everyone's time
 
Aeroknow

Aeroknow

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MyMommaMakesArmyBoots said:
So nothing about me claiming my kit beats a DE HPS like I asked, like you claim I said.

So how about showing me that quote instead of wasting everyone's time
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You said 60% of HID lighting earlier in the thread. I made you clarify you didn’t mean DE lighting but then you defend your 60% of HID lighting shit and then want me to show you where you were claiming you were talking about comparing to DE lighting.
 
MyMommaMakesArmyBoots

MyMommaMakesArmyBoots

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Aeroknow said:
You said 60% of HID lighting earlier in the thread. I made you clarify you didn’t mean DE lighting but then you defend your 60% of HID lighting shit and then want me to show you where you were claiming you were talking about comparing to DE lighting.
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So you want to compare a suped up car to a stock car. Lmao!

I clarified to you that I meant 1000W single end when I was talking about my kit. That is all. You are the idiot going around in circles
 
Dividedsky

Dividedsky

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MyMommaMakesArmyBoots said:
"We get better penetration with HPS"
And
"We get fatter, more dense buds with HPS"

I hear both these arguments from HPS growers, sometimes even the same person, yet somehow LED, despite losing in these key categories, match or surpass HID gpw wise. So at least one of those has to be a lie lol!

It seems more like desperate grasps at straws to justify using an obsolete system.
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It's also depends big time on person's environment. If your environment is not dialed in you won't reach your full potential whether it be a HID or LED light system. I've seen growers kill it with yields and quality with both HID and led. Led tech has come a long way compared to 8 years ago. The most important thing I believe is to have a properly set up a/c system to run a sealed room with co2 with proper airflow.
 
MyMommaMakesArmyBoots

MyMommaMakesArmyBoots

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Dividedsky said:
It's also depends big time on person's environment. If your environment is not dialed in you won't reach your full potential whether it be a HID or LED light system. I've seen growers kill it with yields and quality with both HID and led. Led tech has come a long way compared to 8 years ago. The most important thing I believe is to have a properly set up a/c system to run a sealed room with co2 with proper airflow.
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Agreed about having it dialed in.
I get great results just with fresh air though. But I think your assessment applies as far as to why I do.
It's because these lights allow me to easily keep the plants in that perfect zone that they grow at very good rates. No overheated leaves, no tent poles and tent walls and buckets acting like the inside of an oven, no fans in hoods and ducting dripping condensation (I live way up north) etc.
No AC. About 1/3 the dehumidifier runtime I used to have.

Side by side, watt for watt, all conditions the same, there really is no comparison. I grew with HID for nearly two decades, and I would never go back. Not for anything.....except for the one advantage....if I am in a basement and I can't keep my room warm, it makes more sense to use a HPS to both light and heat it than to add a supplemental heater. But that's about the only advantage I see to HPS at this point.

My 600W replaces a 1000W SINGLE END (thought I'd better re-state that). So if I put a 1000W (actual draw) of QB lighting up against 1000W of HPS lighting in the same setup and kept all conditions the same, day in day out that 1000W LED is going to dust that HPS. Everytime.
Again, assuming all other conditions are the same.
 
Dividedsky

Dividedsky

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MyMommaMakesArmyBoots said:
Agreed about having it dialed in.
I get great results just with fresh air though. But I think your assessment applies as far as to why I do.
It's because these lights allow me to easily keep the plants in that perfect zone that they grow at very good rates. No overheated leaves, no tent poles and tent walls and buckets acting like the inside of an oven, no fans in hoods and ducting dripping condensation (I live way up north) etc.
No AC. About 1/3 the dehumidifier runtime I used to have.

Side by side, watt for watt, all conditions the same, there really is no comparison. I grew with HID for nearly two decades, and I would never go back. Not for anything.....except for the one advantage....if I am in a basement and I can't keep my room warm, it makes more sense to use a HPS to both light and heat it than to add a supplemental heater. But that's about the only advantage I see to HPS at this point.

My 600W replaces a 1000W SINGLE END (thought I'd better re-state that). So if I put a 1000W (actual draw) of QB lighting up against 1000W of HPS lighting in the same setup and kept all conditions the same, day in day out that 1000W LED is going to dust that HPS. Everytime.
Again, assuming all other conditions are the same.
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Agreed- I also grow in my basement but my room is completely sealed therefore I need a/c year round, got a 2-ton mini split..I run 4- s/e 1000w and switch between MH and HPS bulbs.

My buddy who grows in his basement also, usually runs a sealed room with a portable a/c all of summer and most of fall and spring but in winter he runs a passive air intake because of the cold temps outside and the fact he's in a 5×10 tent for flower, he doesn't see the need to run a/c and seal up tent in winter. Plus he saves in electric. His basement is massive and he had to frame in a pretty big walled off section where the grow is set up(all veg and flower tent areas) because his temps where getting so low down there.
For me- I love running a sealed room with a mini split, my production and overall quality have gone up big time since fully sealing my room. I have thought about switching over to LED, something like 4-6 gavita 1700e, that way I wouldn't not have to run a/c that much at all. Since I have a 2-ton mini split the a/c unit would be considered oversized for running even 6- gavita 1700. That would be a huge plus because my a/c would just be put on auto and set temp and probably not have to run and work hard at all. My a/c unit is even slightly oversized for my grow with 4630w of HID.
 
Dividedsky

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The other reason I have been hesitant of just up and changing out my HID for all leds in my flower room is I feel like it would take about 2 runs to get used to and properly dialed in to the new led lights. I have ran full cycles a few times with leds but this was years ago and was a small run. Thought about actually snagging a single gavita 1700 or the the HLG led unit and just doing a 5x5 area so I got the hang of it before switching over to all leds in my main flower room. Or even throwing just 2 leds in my main flower room and keeping half the room HID...mix up the spectrum for a bit and then switch it up to fully led after a run or 2.
 
MyMommaMakesArmyBoots

MyMommaMakesArmyBoots

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Dividedsky said:
Agreed- I also grow in my basement but my room is completely sealed therefore I need a/c year round, got a 2-ton mini split..I run 4- s/e 1000w and switch between MH and HPS bulbs.

My buddy who grows in his basement also, usually runs a sealed room with a portable a/c all of summer and most of fall and spring but in winter he runs a passive air intake because of the cold temps outside and the fact he's in a 5×10 tent for flower, he doesn't see the need to run a/c and seal up tent in winter. Plus he saves in electric. His basement is massive and he had to frame in a pretty big walled off section where the grow is set up(all veg and flower tent areas) because his temps where getting so low down there.
For me- I love running a sealed room with a mini split, my production and overall quality have gone up big time since fully sealing my room. I have thought about switching over to LED, something like 4-6 gavita 1700e, that way I wouldn't not have to run a/c that much at all. Since I have a 2-ton mini split the a/c unit would be considered oversized for running even 6- gavita 1700. That would be a huge plus because my a/c would just be put on auto and set temp and probably not have to run and work hard at all. My a/c unit is even slightly oversized for my grow with 4630w of HID.
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Add in spread. That's half the advantage I enjoy. I use '800' panels. Each 600W kit has two 300W 3'x1' panels, each with 800 diodes, so 1600 diodes per kit. I actually prefer these style setups to the square 4x288 style

A single point light source like a 1000W HPS is going to have a much less consistent coverage than this style of board.

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I can spread a single set of these across a 4x4 or 5x5 and drop them down and lower the wattage even further and still get very, very intense light readings in every corner. I love these lights.

All of my tents can hit a minimum potential of 50W/ft², (50, 54 and 57) but I typically run them about 35-40W/ft² and all the tents run perfectly between 22.5 & 25°C each tent controlled only by a single exhaust fan. My AC is now in my living room where it's meant to be.

I am thinking of CO2 though, I've just been putting it off. I'd have to code it into my enviro system, and I haven't done the research on devices I can interface with and link into my setup.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Aeroknow said:
I don’t know anyone who has tried them yet, but if that thingy does put out 2100 please disregard my previous post :-)

But i think it might have something to do with the higher frequency that DE requires too? I’m not sure but if that new bulb puts out, that’s fucking bad ass.
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I have and do use them and they thump.
Ballast code is for standard hps ballast. I specifically inquired and they don't want you running them on DE ballasts. Which I have also done and didn't notice an output difference when compared to a standard electronic hps ballast, but lamp life is sacrificed if you hit them with the high freq of a DE ballast :peace:
 
BBQtoast

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2100 on a De, that's not the figures hlg use to sell led equivalent, don't even think they use the se figure and go below.

Gavita @ 1930 and 780w still isn't 2100. Gavita do say average se HP's so can't fault the wording. There 1700 is a good 600w equivalent but they use that wattage.

Lots of discrepancy.
 
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harrythehat

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Being all for saving power I worked it out like this
60% saving over HPS
60% of 600 = 320 leaving 280
2 x 140 watt panels = 600 hps
my area is 8 foot by 4 foot with 4 x 140 watt panels
Yes and more than happy with them, having a mare getting stretch lights are 3 foot of the canopy

Depth of penetration apparently it is far greater with LED than HPS. dont be decieved cos you cannot feel it.
we are using electro magnetic energy waves its not light anymore to me.
 
BBQtoast

BBQtoast

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Here's more light data - Hlg

horticulturelightinggroup.com

HLG 650R

High Efficiency Commercial Indoor Horticulture LED grow light designed to replace a double-ended 1000watt HID with just 6100 Watts. 1700 PPF @ 2.8PPF/W. Full-spectrum. LED Module made by Samsung. Powered by Samsung LM301H LED and Deep Red LED 660nm
horticulturelightinggroup.com horticulturelightinggroup.com

Says their 650R replaces a 1000w De, only 1770 um at 630w.

Now if that's not twisting the figures. More close to the gavita 1700e which doesn't try to say it's a 1000w de replacement.

Hlg come across like liars here.
 
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