Behold, Clinton pandering reaches new lows

ViRedd

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Wha ... hi Ya'All ...

She's such a phony. Can you imagine listening to her for four or eight years?

Vi
 

Wavels

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ViRedd

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What? You don't like Fox News? They have the best looking anchor chicks on the tube. *lol*

Vi
 

mogie

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I still say Obama is looking better and better. As a former Republican and now an Independant I plan on voting Democrat this time. I confuse myself sometimes with all this logic. LOL
 

Dankdude

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Vi it has been proven over and over that Fox News is less than credible.

BTW, nice little right wing Truman show you guys got here.
Vi you told me in a private message that you were ashamed of how you treated Med, So much for credibility.
 

7xstall

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use a news agentcy that has a little more credibility.

why does it matter to you who's website the files and info are on? it's video/audio of her being her...it's going to be bad no matter who gives it to you. :neutral:


I still say Obama is looking better and better.

yeah, better than the other dems for sure; this is mostly due to his lack of public record and lack of standing up for anything. i really like the way he wrote US "legislation" to take guns away from terrorists in foreign countries... lol he's a total panderer, finger-in-the-wind kind of guy who has made a stand for what?




at this moment in time more than any other a leader with real convictions, real substance, intelligence, and true devotion to the American citizens (not europe) would really hit the spot... i see no one of this character so far.
 

ViRedd

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The Dankster sez:

"Vi you told me in a private message that you were ashamed of how you treated Med, So much for credibility."

Ashamed? No way, Jose' ... I said that I felt bad about the way the dialoge was going. I would never feel "ashamed" about putting any communistic bastard in his/her place. The only shamful presence in this forum over the past six months has been Med. I say good riddance.

Vi
 

Wavels

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Vi it has been proven over and over that Fox News is less than credible.

Dank, who has "proven" anything remotely resembling this absurdity?
One example, please?
BTW, what is the Fox equivalent of Dan Rather?

:mrgreen:

ps I miss med less than I thought I would.......hmmmmmm
 

7xstall

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ps I miss med less than I thought I would.......hmmmmmm


lol

now Wavels, where is your loyalty? he did say that you are the "best" of the 3 right wing conspirators...
 

Wavels

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^^^*LOL*
the problem is that "conspirators" is, by far, one of the more benign characterizations employed by the dearly departed med!
His bitterness and just plain old fashioned meanness simply wore me out....
He needs to ramp up his dosage of meds!
 

ViRedd

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No lie there Wavels. Med needs Meds. *lol* Of all the posting I've done over the years on various canna-boards, Med is no doubt the most negative person I've yet met. Talk about a skewed outlook on life .. Zowie! I don't miss the guy one bit. Its a real pleasure to venture into the forum now ... even with all you right wing conspirators lurking about. *lol*

Vi
 

Indie

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Fox News is less than credible..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................And CNN,ABC,CBS,NBC,MSNBC,CNBC, Are credible? Please....this is the reason FOX NEWS is so popular. Thank God for FOX NEWS!
 

7xstall

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some people can only feel self-worth if they can bully and subdue other people into agreeing with them. obstacles such as logic and common sense are either not perceived or not considered and over time this Always frustrates them; it seems to lead to an anger or downright hate for those who are deemed as being "opposed". the left often internalizes this need for validation, this is why their preferred systems of government aim to replace or subsidize some basic human function and/or drive. they want to be the architects of not only thought but human emotion itself through government and this is why their systems perpetually fail. this is why Europe is currently incubating an insurrection more devastating than any it has ever experienced in its bloody past.

thus, the inadequacies of the few can only be the downfall of the many when the many fatigue of hearing the stream of complaints (or insults) and finally submit, or, when they turn their attention to matters of substance only to discover that their momentary lapse was fully exploited (the New Deal is a great example).

the left, overall, is very childlike and needs "tending". even maintaining some semblance of maturity in having a simple debate proves astonishingly difficult for them. i do not like to sound generalistic but, unfortunately, i have yet to see for myself or in any media source any far leftist who can fully reason through and defend their "views" (perhaps "prescriptions" is a better word?). they simply abandon a position when it hits a wall and rather than learn or grow they jump to another topic, only to recycle the previously abandoned positioned when they feel they have a weaker, less well-rounded prey to inflict their unsound views upon.

med exemplified the left perfectly, all the way to the end.
 

Dankdude

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Inde, wavels, You and I both know that Fox News has been caught in a bunch of lies.

CNN,ABC,CBS,NBC,MSNBC,CNBC all of one of these news corporations are owned by right wing interest inde...
Google who owns the media, it may suprise you.
 

Dankdude

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Fibbing It Up at Fox

Flat out lies should be confronted

~ Bill O'Reilly; Fox News Channel; May 22, 2003

Since the Iraq conflict began on March 20, Fox News has been on a mission to legitimize it. One problem for Fox's protracted apologia is that despite promises of evidence of current weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) by the Bush Administration, the evidence has been ambiguous at best. Unfortunately for the network, I’ve been keeping a scratch diary of their reports since the war began.

Keep in mind that in the first three weeks of March, before the bombs started officially dropping, Fox was spreading all sorts of Pentagon propaganda. Iraq had "drones" that it could quickly dispatch to major U.S. metropolitan areas to spread biological agents. Saddam was handing out chemical weapons to the Republican guard to use against coalition troops in a last-ditch red-zone ring around Baghdad. Given what we now know about Iraq, these reports seem to be laughable fantasies, but they were effective in securing public backing for the war. The following is a short chronicle of lies, propagation of lies, exaggerations, distortions, spin, and conjecture presented as fact. My comments are in brackets [ ]s.

March 14: On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith reports that Saddam is planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up dams and causing severe flood damage.

March 19: Fox anchor Shepard Smith reports that Iraqis are planning to detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the earth to scorch coalition forces. Fox Military Analyst Major Bob Bevelacqua states that coalition forces will drop a MOAB on Saddam's bunker [!!] and give him the "Mother of All Sunburns."

[After my last article, one sniveling neocon after another wrote me to tell me I was unqualified to assess defense matters because I wasn't a "defense analyst" (never mind that the article wasn't on the war, and the "real" defense experts made one wrong prediction after another on this war). It's interesting how these sniveling Frumsters cheer on the college-uneducated Hannity and Limbaugh when they make defense analyses supporting the neocon view. I do know enough to say that the informed Bevelacqua's suggestion that a MOAB would be used on a bunker was puzzling to say the least (given the reports of less-than-dazzling performance of daisy cutters outside caves in Tora Bora). Anyway, later reports confirmed that GBU-28 bunker busters were used during The Decapitation That Apparently Failed.]

March 23: The network begins 2 days of unequivocal assertions that a 100-acre facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf is a chemical weapons plant. Much is made about the fact that it was booby trapped. A former UN weapons inspector interviewed on camera over the phone downplays the WMD allegations and says that booby-trapping is common. His points are ignored as unequivocal charges of a chemical weapons facility are made on Fox for yet another day (March 24). Only weeks later is it briefly conceded that the chemicals definitively detected at the facility were pesticides.

[Jennifer Eccleston has to be the worst reporter employed by any network. She began one segment with a "Hi there!" – in no response to any segue from the relaying anchor at Fox headquarters in New York. Her bangs are long and constantly blowing in her face in the wind. Her head wobbles from side to side with her nose tracing out a figure 8 all the while arbitrarily syncopating a monotone voice with overemphasis on the last syllables of different words (e.g., Bagh-DAD’). The old, white-haired flag-waving yahoos like her not for her professionalism – she has none – but because of her innocent Britney Spearsesque beauty; i.e., she's a typical young piece of meat which dirty old men with too much time on their hands fantasize about.]

March 24: Oliver North reports that the staff at the French embassy in Baghdad are destroying documents. [How could he know this?]

March 24: Fox and Friends. Anchor Juliet Huddy asks Colonel David hunt why coalition forces don't "blow up" Al Jazeera TV. [The context of the discussion makes it clear that she doesn't know the difference between Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV!!!! Juliet Huddy is a beautiful woman but not very bright.]

March 28: Repeated assertions by Fox News anchors of a red ring around Baghdad in which Republican Guard forces were planning to use chemical weapons on coalition forces. A Fox "Breaking News" flash reports that Iraqi soldiers were seen by coalition forces moving 55-gallon drums almost certainly containing chemical agents.

April 7: Fox, echoing NPR, reports that U.S. forces near Baghdad have discovered a weapons cache of 20 medium-range missiles containing sarin and mustard gas. Initial tests show that the deadly chemicals are not "trace elements."

[In the coming weeks, this embarrassing non-discovery is quickly stomped down the Memory Hole. The missiles were never mentioned again.]

April 9: The crowd around coalition troops toppling the Saddam statue in Baghdad looks strangely sparse despite the network's assertions to the contrary. The perspective is always in close and even then there is no mob storming the statue to hit it with their shoes. Just a handful of people. It's constantly asserted that there's a huge crowd. [I'm perplexed. Where's the huge crowd?!]

April 10: Fox "Breaking News" report of weapons-grade plutonium found at Al Tuwaitha. [In the coming weeks this "discovery" was expeditiously shoved down the Memory Hole as well.]

April 10 (2:59 EDT): A report noting with surprise "how little" the Iraqis were celebrating the coalition invasion. [An interesting contradiction of the allegations of widespread celebration just the day before with the toppling of the Saddam statue.]

April 10 (3 p.m. EDT: Reporter Rick Leventhal) Fox "Breaking News" report: A mobile bioweapons lab is found. Video of a tiny tan truck—about the size of the smallest truck that U-Haul rents – which had its cargo bed and fuel tank shot up with bullets after a looter tried to drive it away. Repeated assertions that this is most definitely a "bioweapons" lab. A graphic sequence is shown of a large Winnebago-type vehicle that is massive compared to the tiny truck found. The irony of this escapes the Fox newscasters and defense "experts."

[This was the first "bioweapons lab" found, not the larger one later found in Mosul. A week later it is briefly conceded that the tiny truck was probably never a bio weapons lab, but promises that real ones will pour forth from the landscape continue. The second phantom lab, a large tractor-trailer truck was discovered around May 2 by Kurdish fighters.]

April 10: To show that France is in bed with Saddam Hussein, Fox begins running old footage of Saddam Hussein's September 1975 trip to Paris to meet with Jacques Chirac and tour a nuclear power plant. [Because Fox strives so hard to be "Fair and Balanced," it's all the more curious how it fails to inform its audience about another trip four years later, this one to Baghdad on December 19, 1983 made by Reagan envoy and then former secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld (see pic below). The network again, because it's so very "Fair and Balanced," also inexplicably forgot to tell its audience about another trip by Rummy to Baghdad, this time on March 24, 1984, the very same day that a U.N. team found that Iraqi forces had used mustard gas laced with a nerve agent on Iranian soldiers. Rummy obviously wasn't too concerned about the charges of gassing, as in 1986 when he was considering a run for the Republican presidential nomination of 1988, he listed his restoration of diplomatic relations with WMD-using Iraq as one of his proudest achievements.

But all that's an eternity ago for Imperial Conservatives with a 20-second attention span. The Fox newscasters rename Jacques Chirac "Jacques Iraq"(yuk, yuk, yuk – what a side splitter!) and keep going.]
 

Dankdude

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April 7: Repeated ominous footage of barrels buried in a below-ground shed near Karbala. The implication is that the Iraqi landscape is replete with these types of shelters, all of them brimming with evidence of chemical weapons. [These were revealed to be agricultural chemicals as well.]

April 13: Fox Graphic: "Bush: Syria Harboring Chemical Weapons."

[My favorite Fox war commentator is definitely Colonel David Hunt. From my canvassing of all the cable network war coverage, it's hard to find an analyst who is more dogmatic. When coalition forces weren’t greeted with hugs and kisses like he predicted and instead encountered stiff resistance from Iraqi forces in Basra and other places, Davey was all denial. Everything’s going perfect. Rummy is God, hallelujah and praise Dubya! There's not a problem in Iraq that can't be solved by blowing some Iraqi's brains out.]

April 15: Fox analyst Mansoor Ijaz claims that the top 55 Iraqi leaders (along with the whole stash of chemical and biological WMDs they have taken with them) are now living it up in Latakia, Syria. [This is the same 55 that appeared on the deck of cards and is still being captured – far from all living it up in Syria.] On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith completely breaks with any pretense of objectivity and openly mocks actor Tim Robbins after playing an excerpt of Robbins' speech to the National Press Club. "Oh, that was so powerful!" Smith mocked. [Impressive objectivity there, Mr. Smith.]

April 16: Fred Barnes on Special Report with Brit Hume blames the looting of the Iraqi National Museum on the museum staff. [Right now there are so many claims and counterclaims about the looting it's hard to tell what happened. In a Fox segment on May 19 a coalition official asserted that 170,000 items were definitely not missing. Of course he refused to give a ballpark estimate of what was missing, which he'd surely have in order to plausibly deny that the original estimate was wrong.]

April 18: Bill O'Reilly opens his show calling Iraqis "ungrateful."

April 21: Bill O'Reilly opens his show calling Iraqi Shiites "ungrateful SOBs" and "fanatics." He concludes that "[we] can't tolerate a fundamentalist state" in Iraq.

[Whoa, O'Reilly. I thought we promised the Iraqis that we were going to implement democracy, not democracy that gives the U.S. the election results it wants. That's not democracy, now, is it? By now it's quite clear that despite the spinning on The No Spin Zone, Iraq is descending into chaos.]

April 22: Lt. Colonel Robert Maginnis states on The O'Reilly Factor that the probability of finding WMDs is a 10 out of 10. [This is the same Robert Maginnis who predicted a double-ring defense of Baghdad in the Washington Times on January 7.] O'Reilly states that if no WMDs are found within a month from today, then that spells big trouble. O'Reilly promises to explore the issue a month later. [Cool, let's hold his feet to the fire on that promise. On an earlier show he said that U.S. credibility would be "shot" if no WMDs were found. ]

May 8: Fox News Military Analyst Major General Paul Vallely states on The O’Reilly Factor that "Middle East agents" have told him that Iraq’s WMDs along with 17 mobile weapons labs (1 of which was captured around May 2) are now buried in the Bakaa Valley in Syria 30 meters underground. He also claims that France helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by providing them with travel papers [a charge that even the Pentagon later denies although it's apparent that's where Vallely got his information].

May 11: On The Fox Report with Rick Folbaum it is conceded that the nefarious captured trailer contains not a shred of evidence of WMDs, but Folbaum hints that what’s important is that the trailer could have been used to make them. [Hmmm. I thought we went to war for actual WMDs, not for the ability to make WMDs.]

May 16: Special Report with Brit Hume. Muslims, citing Islam's ban of alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their Christian owners. Under Saddam's secular regime, Christian names were banned and schools were nationalized, but guns and alcohol were freely available; there was tolerance for Iraq's 1 million Catholic and Protestant Christians. In New and Improved Neocon Iraq, there's a letter circulating in Baghdad threatening violence to even the families of women who refuse to wear the traditional Muslim head covering. [The report is yet another interesting and reluctant concession of unintended consequences.]
 
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