Be Careful What You Wish For

ViRedd

New Member
If marijuana was legalized, it would only make sense that you have to have a license to grow it. Why? Because I would think growing would be a privilege not a right. Also you would have to establish that the grower had the sufficient equipment to grow in his home that are up to code and not cutting corners which could lead an individual to be at risk of house fires. Not to mention, I don't think they will allow you to grow marijuana if there are children in the vicinity, for various reasons, but the main reason being safety. Second, taxes are on everything you buy (at least in Canada), if you were to purchase marijuana in a regulated establishment, you are going to have to pay taxes, we pay taxes on tobacco, we pay taxes on alcohol, we pay on milk, we pay taxes on eggs. All I can say is get over it.
So then, Farooq ... does the Canadian government tax you when you grow roses on your own property? Roses have thorns. Children could be hurt by the thorns, especially with the risk of infection. Is growing roses in Canada a privilege or a right? Do you have rose growing codes?

Get over it? Get over what, liberty? Let me ask you this ... is there something about liberty that frightens you?

Vi
 

Farooq87

Active Member
So then, Farooq ... does the Canadian government tax you when you grow roses on your own property? Roses have thorns. Children could be hurt by the thorns, especially with the risk of infection. Is growing roses in Canada a privilege or a right? Do you have rose growing codes?

Get over it? Get over what, liberty? Let me ask you this ... is there something about liberty that frightens you?

Vi
Look I understand where you are coming from, however, we must understand the climate of this situation. Marijuana still has a bad rep. If we are going to have it legalized we must take some compromises, to ensure the public and it's representatives of not only their safety but of marijuana's safety. It would be extremely difficult for any politician to lobby for marijuana's full legalization without any provisions or regulation. Also to address the issue concerning children, their have been some studies that indicate adolescent use of marijuana could lead to some problems, so I think it be fair to institute some kinda of law that prevents children from being exposed to marijuana at an early age.
 

spoadalive420

Active Member
This is how it could be.

All no alchahol zones should also be no MJ zones, Parks, Schools, Govn't Buildings, Common sense places and rules.

Age Limit of 20, this would give another "right of passage age for people" I got drunk as hell on my 21st but don't drink much now principle. More $$$ for the Economy

Lets be real, tax only $15 on a pound, not enough. $75 per pound, $50 on a half pound (vendor). As for small Amounts (retail) .10 per g sin tax apllied. This way our govnt can get its double tax it so needs.

Permits can be given to Grow but There has to be rules, because in my heart of heart i believe MJ i illegal cause it needs to be kept out of sight of minors, the thing is that the "minors" are the ones pioneering the shit. Maybe some counties having indoor ordinances, shed ordinances.

Maybe throw a couple hundred thousand $$ to some people to create a system to test for 24 hr use of MJ, I bet its as simple as a body fat to weight ratio and lowering the sensitivity to cannaboids to show as 1.2/100 instead of 120,000/1,000,000.

No one ever mensions that we could tax the piss out of legal imports too.......u see where i am going, the world working and conversing without stigmas held over thier heads..........maybe the us can't grow the best pot....hmmmmm....crap, then we'd be importing one more fing thing. But taxing the dogg shitze out of it
 

ViRedd

New Member
Farooq ...

Ok, your points are well taken. I agree that children shouldn't smoke MJ, just as I believe they shouldn't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol. That doesn't apply to adults in my estimation though. Adults should be free to do what they want as long as no harm is done to another person. Smoke a joint, freak out in traffic and kill someone ... manslaughter. Grow some plants in your backyard ... none of the government's business.

Its always interesting to me to talk with someone about these issues who were raised/living in another country. The traditions are different. The mindsets are different. I haven't seen you around this forum, but I'll just say to you that I've almost completed my third quarter-century on this planet. Being raised in an entirely different American society than the younger people on this site, not to mention those from countries foreign to mine, gives me a different perspective on the liberty issue than most. Americans of my generation, and the generations that came before me, would be totally insulted by the onerous regulations, laws, permits, taxes and CONTROL that the government now enjoys. I see things quite differently than most. Therefore, my rose bush analogy. :lol:

I'm afraid that true freedom is lost, not only physically, but in the minds of the people. How sad.

Vi
 

ViRedd

New Member
Lets be real, tax only $15 on a pound, not enough. $75 per pound, $50 on a half pound (vendor). As for small Amounts (retail) .10 per g sin tax apllied. This way our govnt can get its double tax it so needs.
Why not just cut the hell out of the size and the scope of government and leave pot alone? Why does everything have to be taxed and double taxed? And a "sin" tax too? Man, do you think MJ is a sin? Personally, I think the cannabis plant is a gift from The Creator, placed here on earth to provide Man with cloth, fiber, medicine ... and a peaceful, harmless escape from the weary ways of the world.

Vi
 

******

Well-Known Member
i fear it's legalization i think phillip moris will try 2 control it and the statis of the home grow will still get stuck out decrimilize it to the point of no more home invasions . and let the ticket be the tax .
 

mexiblunt

Well-Known Member
Farooq ...

Ok, your points are well taken. I agree that children shouldn't smoke MJ, just as I believe they shouldn't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol. That doesn't apply to adults in my estimation though. Adults should be free to do what they want as long as no harm is done to another person. Smoke a joint, freak out in traffic and kill someone ... manslaughter. Grow some plants in your backyard ... none of the government's business.

Its always interesting to me to talk with someone about these issues who were raised/living in another country. The traditions are different. The mindsets are different. I haven't seen you around this forum, but I'll just say to you that I've almost completed my third quarter-century on this planet. Being raised in an entirely different American society than the younger people on this site, not to mention those from countries foreign to mine, gives me a different perspective on the liberty issue than most. Americans of my generation, and the generations that came before me, would be totally insulted by the onerous regulations, laws, permits, taxes and CONTROL that the government now enjoys. I see things quite differently than most. Therefore, my rose bush analogy. :lol:

I'm afraid that true freedom is lost, not only physically, but in the minds of the people. How sad.

Vi
I agree once again with Viredd. I'm about a 1/3 century old and my views have changed on this subject many times and I like the rose bush analogy. I live in the country where I remember being at my grandparents going out to collect some eggs for breakfast, milk, they had cows, goats, etc. They didn't sell much of it cause most other farms had the same things. I doubt they paid taxes on owning these animals who inturn reproduced more animals not for sale just to keep up the stock as chickens/cows/goats got older or eaten etc.

Now that I have been growing personally for a few years I find myself quite happy with the way things are up here right now. I only grow for myself and therefor If I were to get caught the consequences wouldn't be much at all since I don't need to grow too much, No tax anywhere in that. Now I could see paying a tax if I was growing for all my neighbors and turning a profit, I know there are alot more variables to this like what about city ppl who don't have room for their cows,chickens etc.
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
i have always found it odd how people from other countrys other than the USA.so easily accept slavery from their own government.in fact they invite it.i find it odd and disturbing .
the ability to tax is the ability to enslave.THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT GIVE YOU ANYTHING THAT IT FIRST DOES NOT TAKE FROM YOU..always remember that when you talk about your free health care and free this and free that.someone always pays.
 

mexiblunt

Well-Known Member
I can only speak for myself but I have been given back more than they have taken from me. Mind you I only work half the year and get unemployment for most the rest, alot more then I pay in, If I were to tally my lifes hospitals bills due to stuff like moto-cross snowboarding hockey and a little illness I would need a bailout!
 

Farooq87

Active Member
i have always found it odd how people from other countrys other than the USA.so easily accept slavery from their own government.in fact they invite it.i find it odd and disturbing .
the ability to tax is the ability to enslave.THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT GIVE YOU ANYTHING THAT IT FIRST DOES NOT TAKE FROM YOU..always remember that when you talk about your free health care and free this and free that.someone always pays.
The ability to tax is the ability to enslave? How about the ability to put you in jail? What would you rather do? Pay tax on a substance, or go to jail where all you freedoms are definitely taken away? Also, I am perfectly fine paying for Health Care, why? ....The amount I pay in Taxes is far less than what I would pay in a 'Pay as Go' system in America. You don't have people dieing in the waiting room of hospitals in Canada, everybody is treated equally unlike in America were the rich are treated first and everybody else second.
 

******

Well-Known Member
yea.try growing your own tabocco in the USA.see what can happen to you:hump:
i get tobacco seeds from the feed store and it's no cigarette a couple top leafs and u'll think u dropped a mild dose of acid , smoking a cigarette in like smoking leafs and stems . well not like x ack lee
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
it is illegal to grow tabacco without a tax stamp.not that anyone would do much about it.but if the government wanted they could send the ATF to your home and raid your ass over one tabacco plant.im serious thats the law.anyone who grows tabacco has to have a permit to do it.
 

ViRedd

New Member
You don't have people dieing in the waiting room of hospitals in Canada, everybody is treated equally unlike in America were the rich are treated first and everybody else second.
I'm afraid you've fallen victim to socialistic propaganda, Farooq.

Here in the U.S., there is a federal law that REQUIRES hospital emergency rooms to treat ANYONE regardless of ability to pay. We also have county hospitals where the poor can get treated. There are state programs for the poor. In my state the program is called MediCal. We have federal programs for the poor and the elderly like Medicare and prescription drug programs.

Contrary to what you have heard, we do not have people dying on our streets because of lack of food or medical care. Yes, we have homeless people. We also have shelters for them ... but many refuse the help. They would rather live on the street than clean up from their alcohol and drug abuse.

By the way, have you seen the homeless scattered about on your downtown Canadian streets? They are there, you know.

Vi
 

FootballFirst

Well-Known Member
to be honest, for doing nothing, the homeless on the street have it pretty good if they take advantage of everything available to them.
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
i had to go to the court house .there was a old black man outside the door begging for food.i had emptied all the of change and left my wallet in the car.you have to go through metal detectors.some lady dropped a twenty in his hand though.on the way back out the door.he was still their begging for some money to get something to eat.if only 5 saps a day come by and give him 20 bucks each.he will make as much as he would on a job.
i personaly think he is making more than most of you saps on RUI.at least he has the gumption to go to the side walk and beg.
lol
 
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