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btw, I agree with the over all statement that organics is more work than hydro for a hobby sized indoor grower

im4satori said:

lets just chill the fuck out

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It was kind of like the 90s for a while there, back when people hadn't mastered the art of non-flaming disagreement.

I put this in another thread, but it's kind of funny so I'll post it here too. And OldMedUser seems to be good at making seeds. He might appreciate it.

The trouble with colloidal silver is, you have to spray too darned many times! Geezz... And silver thiosulfate is nice, you could get away with a single spray most of the time. But it doesn't keep, even in the fridge, and all the formulas out there for mixing it make gigantic amounts that almost immediately go to waste if you're just a 6 plant kind of grower.

Here's the compromise. Sodium Thiosulfate water in A, and Siilver Nitrate water in B. Mixes when you spray, ought to keep for years in the fridge.

Does it work? I don't know. I just ordered the empty bottle today. They're $20.

im4satori said:

lets smoke the peace pipe together

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alot of seperate convos within the thread. I rcently added some foxfarm dry ocean forest and happy frog to mostly coco. Great results, still green/unflushed at end but burns to grey ash. Ive historically used botanicare or earth juice, i used botanicare pbp but just a little.

I may have misread? did you say planting in a pot and watering it is harder than hydro for a hobbyist? Id never recommend hydro, so maybe we agree to disagree.

cookie master said:

I may have misread? did you say planting in a pot and watering it is harder than hydro for a hobbyist? Id never recommend hydro, so maybe we agree to disagree.

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I really depends I guess

if your talking about buying a store bought bagged soil that's already been built proper and throwing a little store bought well balanced liquid fertilizer on it occasionally and then throwing it in the yard and starting fresh with a new bag each grow

then yes that would be easy/easiest... but that's not really organic gardening

if your a true organic grower and when you start recycling and building your own soils...indoors and in a limited amount of space it can be time consuming and labor intensive

plus most organic style growers hand water and brew teas all of which takes daily time

growing out a comfrey patch and nettels...keeping a compost pile and a worm bin healthy and fed

plus if you want to build a diverse soil it takes time and many different elements

I grew hydro for over a decade
my system was fully automated drain to waste using dosatron injectors
I went on vacation for two weeks with NO ONE looking in on my flowering garden for 2 full weeks ...when I got back everything was still healthy

never had to check the ph or fill a reservoir even
I could mix my nutes enough to last several grows in one shot

so ya...going organic has created a lot more work for me

hydro can be hard to get dialed in for newbs but after you get your nute solution and reservoir maintained/ dialed in its a smooth ride when automated

having said all that

im very happy with my choice to switch to organic despite the extra work

im4satori said:

im very happy with my choice to switch to organic despite the extra work

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See! It's that filthy, disgusting 4-letter word again. WORK!

K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stoner), is what I've been w**king on these last two decades and finally got it down to simple plant maintenance with negligible time wasted on their diet. Keep the water topped up and inject a bit of 1, 2 or 3 into the water to keep them happy makes me happy. Happy is a good place to be for chronic depressives so that's where I try to go as often as possible. Having big jars of pot laying around to choose from makes me very happy.

Maybe not that happy but damn close.

Daniel Lawton said:

Revision: Substitute PBH (parboiled rice hulls) for the Perlite. Aside from having nasty dust, PBH actually does that job better (drainage), and as it decays, it provides silicon which can help with underwatering, and possible make bigger blooms (debateable).

It's also a lot cheaper and it's a "sustainable" material. But it's harder to get.

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I get perlite for 10 bucks a 4 cu ft bag, rice hulls are cheaper?

jonsnow399 said:

I get perlite for 10 bucks a 4 cu ft bag, rice hulls are cheaper?

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Perlite is $39.99 here. Seven years ago it was $15 a bag.

hillbill said:

Perlite is $39.99 here. Seven years ago it was $15 a bag.

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I get it directly from the plant.

hillbill said:

Perlite is $39.99 here. Seven years ago it was $15 a bag.

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Yeh, I thought I would be able to get chunky perlite since they made the stuff, but they only make regular smaller pieces.

I got some huge chunky perlite and it was very expensive.

I'm getting near the bottom of a big bag of perlite I bought probably 15 years ago and haven't even looked at the prices today.

Switching to mainly DWC so may never need to buy perlite again so wtf.